They ought to be like the NHL and institute a penalty for "flopping". Call it an ALAP penalty....."acting like a pussy".
NFL says Wallace should not have been called for DPI
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Now though, there is a NY office official, who has no problem changing the calls. Just admit that the Refs can't see them all and have a ref at all games buzz down when it is obvious if any flag is wrong. The non calls could be a problem though, seeing as there is a foul on every play.
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I just cant get over how the ref who had direct view of the play didnt confer with the back judge
There was a couple of opinions on that in the media. The one that makes the most sense is they did confer but because it was in Denver, nothing was overturned. Had it been in L.A. it would have been. Which is weak and gutless. Typical NFL behavior.
I see this all the time on replays, where the receiver grabs the DB somewhere on his body and causes it to look like contact. Hell, it happened to Ramsey in the SB on his facemask. the ref next to the play is blocked out and no other ref will speak up. I think there is some sort of stripped line none of them want to cross. Same goes with the DB. It happened to Cooks in the 2nd Pats SB in the endzone. The DB held his arm down so he couldn't catch it. The Ref was behind the play so blocked out and no call. Other refs just let it go.
Oh and by the way that was a 3rd down play that was not far enough for a first down. A pass catch there was useless. So by creating a penalty they could get a 1st down. So a big motivation to pull on the DBs. A very smart play by the receiver. He turned out to be lucky though cause I am sure he didn't expect a INT
There has to be some way to prevent mistakes like that. Like I said before, if "replay assist" can reverse a catch without review, why can't they reverse a bogus penalty? That would be an even better, more important use of "replay assist". The true problem with officiating is bad officiating can change the outcome of a game and nobody should be okay with that. Not the teams, not the union and not the fucking league.
The fact Florio claims it was DPI means nothing. The guy is a fucking idiot. The NFL says it wasn't a penalty.
I will take this approach. It won't matter.....we probably won't even remember it.....when we are hoisting the Lombardi in February.
Yea, I mean check this out:
First FG drive, third drive of the game: 3rd and 2, Corum runs for a first down, offensive holding called. Would have been first and goal from the 5, instead we had to kick a FG - 4 points off the board
Second FG drive, fourth drive of the game: 2nd and 15, pass to Adams for a first down, would have been first and goal from the 4, OPI called - we had to kick a FG - 4 points off the board
The Adams OPI seemed like an okay call. The first hold though, that felt like steering a little - the Broncos had already held several times with no call.
Then we have the calls at the end of the game....basically 18 points total in the Broncos favor from 3 (4 counting the hands to the face, but that one never should have happened bc we got the INT) calls
And what's hilarious is, if three calls weren't made and the Rams got that INT and TDs on the first two drives, we STILL would have been called for TWICE as many penalties as the Broncos.....but we would have won the game by double digits
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I keep hearing it's because it's "subjective," which makes no sense to me. That just tells us that the replay would offer more clarity and increase the number of angles, slo-mos, eyes, and odds of getting it right. In short, it would help.
Officiating sports is all subjective. They interpret what they see.....a completed pass, a ball or strike.....and they make their call. They're human, I get that. I don't understand how they can allow challenges using replay; use replay to determine a CRUCIAL call; or use replay assist to "get it right" but they don't want anybody questioning their officials by challenging their interpretation of a penalty. Particularly on a crucial play. I call that arrogance. Conspiracy theorists would call that "the NFL's way of maintaining their ability to put their thumb on the scale". I believe somebody else suggested giving teams a penalty challenge in addition to their two challenges, that they can make on any penalty, at anytime, even under 2 minutes or in OT. I second that!!!
That was due to the burden of proof to overturn a penalty flag. The question for the reviewer wasn't "should PI have been called here?", but rather, "was there any basis for the Pi that was called?"
Any arguable basis for calling PI was upheld.
Under that standard this one probably would have been upheld also. It's like that hands to the face penalty. It had a technical basis, but not the level the NFL scrutinizes. Video could probably uphold an offensive holding penalty on every passing play if the reviewer just focuses on OL hand placement near the numbers on the jersey.
Stan is a powerful owner and he needs to exert his influence and initiate some consequences for this.
McVay's Rams teams are constienly one of the least penalized teams in the NFL because they are so well-coached. That makes the discrepancy in number of penalties against each team even more suspicious. In the Denver game our Rams team get many ticky-tack penalties called (IE -Lake penalty near the gaol line) while the home team gets away with the same same ticky-tack stuff and blantant holding.
This season so far has been tianted by the foul stench of the 49ers game and now this. Still time for them to get things right. I expect by the end of the season if the Rams gets Garrett and Donald going and can stay healthy they will be a team nobody want's to face.
One positive I see is that these setbacks blunt the expectations form the oustide media and internally galavanize this team for the stretch run.
Note: Its so unfortunate that a truly great play by Wallace goes by the wayside.
McVay's Rams teams are constienly one of the least penalized teams in the NFL because they are so well-coached. That makes the discrepancy in number of penalties against each team even more suspicious. In the Denver game our Rams team get many ticky-tack penalties called (IE -Lake penalty near the gaol line) while the home team gets away with the same same ticky-tack stuff and blantant holding.
This season so far has been tianted by the foul stench of the 49ers game and now this. Still time for them to get things right. I expect by the end of the season if the Rams gets Garrett and Donald going and can stay healthy they will be a team nobody want's to face.
One positive I see is that these setbacks blunt the expectations form the oustide media and internally galavanize this team for the stretch run.
Note: Its so unfortunate that a truly great play by Wallace goes by the wayside.
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OK OK, let's open this old wound and talk about this.
Refs throw a hissy fit because they will be called out for making bad DPI/OPI calls/non-calls. So they just uphold EVERY challenge until the coaches know they are wasting challenges. Then they use the low number of challenges as evidence that they don't need it.
I can't even repeat that without cringing and thinking this couldn't have happened in the universe I live in. But it did. Can you imagine a fumble review where it is called one way on the field but replays show clearly the guy's knees were down (or some other clear reversal criteria), and the refs uphold the original call? Then a few weeks later, the world realizes THE REFS ALWAYS UPHOLD THE ORIGINAL CALL ON FUMBLE REVIEWS???
Why didn't we see this outrage? I still to this day do not get it, and I've always been pissed about this (long before this last week's screw job).
NFL fixed the crazy "Is it a catch?" from a few years back. MLB fixed balls and strikes. Other football leagues fixed pass interference.
WHY CAN'T THIS BE FIXED??!!
I hate that I have to think about this shyte again.
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Embarrassing for the NFL. They should be ashamed of themselves... think they are? Hahahahah
And the beat goes on.
I re-watched it and didnt see any sort of a meeting of the minds about it. Could have happened, its not like the camera was on the whole time. I get it that from the back judge POV it looked like PI, but it had to be clear to the sideline guy that it wasnt. To me the sideline ref just didnt care enough that the correct call wasnt made
Yeah I’m not in favor of constant reviews of calls. There are too many interruptions to the flow of the game.
But I wouldn’t mind giving each team 1-2 challenges a game for calls.
I also would like to see the refs given a chance to go to replay when they didn’t get a perfected view of a play. Many times it seems they are guessing or going with what they “think” they saw - but not sure. When that happens, they should be able to check. Especially if it’s an important play and they don’t have 100% certainty.
Correction, Florio and Simms are both fucking idiots, and have been for a long time.
I just don’t believe the NFL will do anything about these issues. If they really wanted to improve accuracy of calls, they’d have done it by now. MLB is making efforts – why not the NFL? It’s hard not to get all conspiracy theory here – especially with the amount of betting money that’s come into the games since online betting evolved. Two ideas:
In game:
As some have said, if the NFL really wanted to improve the quality of the games, they would allow two coach penalty challenges per game. No questions asked, the coach throws the flag and it gets reviewed by an INDEPENDENT body of recently retired referees (selected by a majority of the owners) – NOT NFL personnel in NYC. They have proven they may not be objective.
Weekly:
As I have mentioned, after each week’s games, this INDEPENDENT unit of referees reviews ALL the plays. They check for missed calls, blown calls and correct calls. And any other training opportunities.
A “scorecard” is tabulated and each referee gets a “grade” for their week’s work. Consistently failing referees get let go after they’ve accumulated enough games with failing grades.
You could use these scores for other beneficial efforts:
AI: Do the NFL referees work the same games together?
Yes, NFL referees typically work the same games together throughout the regular season.
Using these scores, you could identify crews that have an overall bad grade and assign refs from other crews to make the unit better. This might reduce bad calls by the same crews. All crews become optimized.
Allow coaches to make in-game challenges, build scorecards for the referees and make adjustments to the crews to ensure each crew is as accurate as they can be.
Will the NFL ever do this? I’m pretty certain the answer is no. The real question is WHY???
In game:
As some have said, if the NFL really wanted to improve the quality of the games, they would allow two coach penalty challenges per game. No questions asked, the coach throws the flag and it gets reviewed by an INDEPENDENT body of recently retired referees (selected by a majority of the owners) – NOT NFL personnel in NYC. They have proven they may not be objective.
Weekly:
As I have mentioned, after each week’s games, this INDEPENDENT unit of referees reviews ALL the plays. They check for missed calls, blown calls and correct calls. And any other training opportunities.
A “scorecard” is tabulated and each referee gets a “grade” for their week’s work. Consistently failing referees get let go after they’ve accumulated enough games with failing grades.
You could use these scores for other beneficial efforts:
AI: Do the NFL referees work the same games together?
Yes, NFL referees typically work the same games together throughout the regular season.
Using these scores, you could identify crews that have an overall bad grade and assign refs from other crews to make the unit better. This might reduce bad calls by the same crews. All crews become optimized.
Allow coaches to make in-game challenges, build scorecards for the referees and make adjustments to the crews to ensure each crew is as accurate as they can be.
Will the NFL ever do this? I’m pretty certain the answer is no. The real question is WHY???