NFL says Wallace should not have been called for DPI

[DeaconJones]

I can accept that they made a bad call - it happens from time to time in sports. But as McVay says, what matters is your response. In this case, going forward the NFL needs to allow for challenge, or some other review, so that one way or the other, the call is made right.

During the game I was wondering why McCauley hadn't called the booth to tell them they made a mistake (as he did for the Seattle 2pt play). Maybe he deleted the booth number from his phone after the Seattle game (or they blocked him) ...

We are 1-2 with a chance to get to 2-2 (although it is chilling to see we've only got one win over the Eagles in the last 20 years, with a pant load of losses to them).

 

[jap]

We can agree to disagree. I don't think it was obvious. Certainly not from the ref's obstructed view from the rear. And thousands of people online are STILL defending the DPI call.

There was significant contact between the DB and the WR, and the DB had his hands on the WR's torso for a long time.

Cripes... Foolio and Simms are STILL claiming it's DPI. So yes, there are still "some" analysts that stubbornly believe that Wallace somehow pushed Bryant and/or impeded him.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/DenverBroncos/comments/1wsiby2/mike_florio_and_chris_simms_agreed_with_the_late/


It was not DPI. But given how good Bryant was at selling it, I'm not surprised that people got fooled.

Bryant subtly grabbed the DB's shoulder pad and pulled it toward him. That's just a weird thing to do that is very rare. It doesn't make any sense from a competitive standpoint. It only makes sense if you are intentionally trying to draw a foul, which he was.

That is offensive pass interference.

 

[dang]

I just don’t believe the NFL will do anything about these issues. If they really wanted to improve accuracy of calls, they’d have done it by now. MLB is making efforts – why not the NFL? It’s hard not to get all conspiracy theory here – especially with the amount of betting money that’s come into the games since online betting evolved. Two ideas:

In game:
As some have said, if the NFL really wanted to improve the quality of the games, they would allow two coach penalty challenges per game. No questions asked, the coach throws the flag and it gets reviewed by an INDEPENDENT body of recently retired referees (selected by a majority of the owners) – NOT NFL personnel in NYC. They have proven they may not be objective.

Weekly:
As I have mentioned, after each week’s games, this INDEPENDENT unit of referees reviews ALL the plays. They check for missed calls, blown calls and correct calls. And any other training opportunities.

A “scorecard” is tabulated and each referee gets a “grade” for their week’s work. Consistently failing referees get let go after they’ve accumulated enough games with failing grades.

You could use these scores for other beneficial efforts:
AI: Do the NFL referees work the same games together?
Yes, NFL referees typically work the same games together throughout the regular season.

Using these scores, you could identify crews that have an overall bad grade and assign refs from other crews to make the unit better. This might reduce bad calls by the same crews. All crews become optimized.

Allow coaches to make in-game challenges, build scorecards for the referees and make adjustments to the crews to ensure each crew is as accurate as they can be.

Will the NFL ever do this? I’m pretty certain the answer is no. The real question is WHY???

And make NFL refs full time employees. Require them to go through extensive evaluation and training annually.

 

[RamFanWA]

I just cant get over how the ref who had direct view of the play didnt confer with the back judge

Ima guessing, that he wanted his bonus....

 

[Karate61]

Many times it seems they are guessing or going with what they “think” they saw - but not sure.

I believe this is the root of the problem. The reason for most or all bad calls with officiating.

 

[Karate61]

And make NFL refs full time employees. Require them to go through extensive evaluation and training annually.

I heard comments recently from a former NFL official [can't remember which one] about this. He said they don't do full-time refs with training/practice making calls all year because they don't have teams playing all year, and therefore can't practice all year.

 

[Rmfnlt]

I heard comments recently from a former NFL official [can't remember which one] about this. He said they don't do full-time refs with training/practice making calls all year because they don't have teams playing all year, and therefore can't practice all year.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4p7-4LYVX8&t=69s


Not full-time, but with day jobs
The NFL is the only major US sports league that doesn’t employ full-time referees. Instead, the big league relies on about 120 part-time officials. They work roughly 17 regular-season games, plus possible postseason assignments, while holding other careers outside of football.
This has resulted in a system that has created a unique mix of backgrounds in the field. Legendary referee Ed Hochuli, for instance, worked as a lawyer.
Meanwhile, Gene Steratore, who retired in 2018 after 15 seasons, founded a sanitary supply company. So evidently, far from being year-round professionals, most referees balance their role with entirely different careers.

How much do NFL officials earn per game?
The part-time label can be misleading, though, because the pay is far from modest. According to estimates, NFL referees earn between $205,000 and $250,000 annually. Even entry-level officials often make $100,000–$200,000, while veteran crew chiefs can push above $250,000.
Delving deeper, reports reveal that per-game earnings hover around $5,000 to $13,000, nearly doubling in the playoffs. The Super Bowl, as expected, remains the ultimate payday, as that assignment can net an NFL ref anywhere between $30,000 and $50,000, more than many Americans make in a year.

These figures explain why officiating, even on a part-time basis, remains highly coveted.
========================================================================================================================
What a racket!! A six figure part time job!! I'd like that!

Solution:
Take a two year average of what their "primary" income is and add the established referee compensation and require them to work as referees all year log. Take that time off to review films, investigate how to make officiating more accurate, etc. Become masters of your craft, instead of part time apprentices.

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[majrleaged]

Officiating sports is all subjective. They interpret what they see.....a completed pass, a ball or strike.....and they make their call. They're human, I get that. I don't understand how they can allow challenges using replay; use replay to determine a CRUCIAL call; or use replay assist to "get it right" but they don't want anybody questioning their officials by challenging their interpretation of a penalty. Particularly on a crucial play. I call that arrogance. Conspiracy theorists would call that "the NFL's way of maintaining their ability to put their thumb on the scale". I believe somebody else suggested giving teams a penalty challenge in addition to their two challenges, that they can make on any penalty, at anytime, even under 2 minutes or in OT. I second that!!!

1 per half. Seems like a really good way to start moving towards something that makes sense.

 

[majrleaged]

I re-watched it and didnt see any sort of a meeting of the minds about it. Could have happened, its not like the camera was on the whole time. I get it that from the back judge POV it looked like PI, but it had to be clear to the sideline guy that it wasnt. To me the sideline ref just didnt care enough that the correct call wasnt made

I think there is a reluctance to overrule each other. They will do it with catch no catch and fumbles, but never on PI. Unless it was a way over the head and out of reach.

 

[majrleaged]

I just don’t believe the NFL will do anything about these issues. If they really wanted to improve accuracy of calls, they’d have done it by now. MLB is making efforts – why not the NFL? It’s hard not to get all conspiracy theory here – especially with the amount of betting money that’s come into the games since online betting evolved. Two ideas:

In game:
As some have said, if the NFL really wanted to improve the quality of the games, they would allow two coach penalty challenges per game. No questions asked, the coach throws the flag and it gets reviewed by an INDEPENDENT body of recently retired referees (selected by a majority of the owners) – NOT NFL personnel in NYC. They have proven they may not be objective.

Weekly:
As I have mentioned, after each week’s games, this INDEPENDENT unit of referees reviews ALL the plays. They check for missed calls, blown calls and correct calls. And any other training opportunities.

A “scorecard” is tabulated and each referee gets a “grade” for their week’s work. Consistently failing referees get let go after they’ve accumulated enough games with failing grades.

You could use these scores for other beneficial efforts:
AI: Do the NFL referees work the same games together?
Yes, NFL referees typically work the same games together throughout the regular season.

Using these scores, you could identify crews that have an overall bad grade and assign refs from other crews to make the unit better. This might reduce bad calls by the same crews. All crews become optimized.

Allow coaches to make in-game challenges, build scorecards for the referees and make adjustments to the crews to ensure each crew is as accurate as they can be.

Will the NFL ever do this? I’m pretty certain the answer is no. The real question is WHY???

3 answers.
1 it would cost more money.
2 this way it makes it harder to prove any shady stuff
3 doesn't affect their bottom line.

But really just 1 answer. No motivation to do so.

 

[majrleaged]

I heard comments recently from a former NFL official [can't remember which one] about this. He said they don't do full-time refs with training/practice making calls all year because they don't have teams playing all year, and therefore can't practice all year.

Have they heard of simulators?

 

[kmramsfan]

Terry MCaulay the NBCs rules analyst did come on and gave his take. Maybe you had an alternate stream?

He is the NBC equivalant to Mike Pereira and Dan Blandino on Fox.

His take was the WR Bryant grabbed wallace adnd pulled him in. He said he saw nothing from Wallace that significantly hindered Bryant.

He also said if Wallace's knee was down (which it was) then it should have been an interception.

Front Office Sports noted that rules analysts rarely disagree this plainly with a call.

It was a subdued moment on air due to the bad call and its impact.. bad moment for the NFL.

NOW they need to fucking DO something about it.
How about considering that if 2 refs are in the position to make a call, and only 1 of them throws a flag, that we have an instant ( or the ability to challenge only 1 per half) review as to determine what each ref saw, and settle it after the review has been done.
I dunno ........ this consistent problem's getting to be really old.

 

[rwscpa]

We got into the Super Bowl because of a "blind" ref. Thank you, blind ref!

 

[Merlin]

The best thing that has happened in baseball this season is the batter being able to challenge the umpires calls on balls and strikes, it brings creditability to the game, something like this is needed in the NFL.

What is great about it too is that it's quick and seamless in the flow of the game. Result comes in and the at-bat continues quickly.

If the NFL designed that they would have the ump's face on the TV and it would be a massive clusterfuck of time and effort that interrupts the flow of the game and irritates the shit out of fans.

 

[Merlin]

I keep hearing it's because it's "subjective," which makes no sense to me. That just tells us that the replay would offer more clarity and increase the number of angles, slo-mos, eyes, and odds of getting it right. In short, it would help.

There is nothing subjective about the fact the Rams should have had an INT on that play and/or an offensive pass interference call in their favor.

The mediots saying it's subjective don't matter here. It is clearly not PI by Wallace, who is allowed to play for the ball and was hindered by the offensive player. Not to mention he was not pushing the offensive player out of the way or hindering him to any extent that would make that call subjective.

And the worst thing about it is the moment in which the call was made. Which demonstrates these asshole fucking refs actually think it is acceptable to make nitpick or biased fucking calls at crucial moments in games. Not to mention the one way slant of the calls the entire game in Denver's favor, which became almost desperate at the end of the game as they sought to ensure Denver's victory.

Absolute and total fucking horseshit.

 

[FaulkSF]

We got into the Super Bowl because of a "blind" ref. Thank you, blind ref!

Correction, we got into the Super Bowl despite poor officiating. This doesn’t even discuss half the bad calls and face masks this crew missed. Led by, you guessed it, Bill Vino.

 

[Tano]

Correction, we got into the Super Bowl despite poor officiating. This doesn’t even discuss half the bad calls and face masks this crew missed. Led by, you guessed it, Bill Vino. View attachment 77205View attachment 77206View attachment 77207View attachment 77208

You need to also post Goff's face mask when his head was turned around.

He almost did an exorcist move. Surprised he didn't get hurt on that play.

 

[Mackeyser]

I heard comments recently from a former NFL official [can't remember which one] about this. He said they don't do full-time refs with training/practice making calls all year because they don't have teams playing all year, and therefore can't practice all year.

That’s a crock of shit.

They could attend competition meetings, take vacations, have film seminars, study films, actually listen to the feedback from players and coaches to ensure the players and coaches understand HOW a play is evaluated and they could make substantial efforts to ensure every game is refereed the same because right now, with things like holding and PI being so crew specific, it’s like home plate umps in the 70s…

There’s more they could do than the available time to do it.

They don’t want full time refs because they’d be employees of the NFL and the NFL would have more responsibility for their work product which could be a greater risk with gambling and anti-trust concerns always looming.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Albert Breer on the NFL admitting to McVay they were wrong... then getting pissed that McVay disclosed the acknowledgment publicly.

Breer says that players have to acknowledge when they mess up. So why shouldn't refs have to do the same?


View: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTyuchdfD/

 

[SteezyEndo]

They need to only hire Refs who are HR qualified. Fair and impartial. Its crazy that refs like Ed Hochuli were lawyers. Need more of those types atleast. Investigate but abide by the rules. Shit is crucial the integrity of the game relys on these refs knowing what the fuck they are doing.