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A little aside, does anyone think that maybe the city/state thought the same way many fans did up until very recently that there were too many obstacles and the deal in St Louis was too sweet to make it worth it for Stan to move and therefore thought they were holding all the cards? I'll tell yuh. It is about the only thing that makes sense to me to explain their lack of action and weak proposals.

I doesn't seem to me like the city has drug it's feet. Everybody in the media here as well as Demoff have all said this is a process that we have to go through.
1) CVC Proposal
2)Rams CounterProposal
3)Arbitration
4)Stan and STL work together to get a new stadium.

There were fears that if funding a new stadium were put to a public vote that it wouldn't get done but most were hopeful of a plan like Peacock proposed with little to no public money. Everything seemed to be going right down the path predicted by the folks who seemed to know until the Stockbridge deal was announced. And to compare this to Minnesota, San Diego, San Francisco and others. STL has moved this along quickly. Plans don't come together like this overnight and honestly I wouldn't want it to. I'd rather take a good long look at this, take our time and come up with a good long term plan.
 

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Most of this maybe true but there are so many other things to factor in with owning commercial properties and certainly for a NFL stadium. For example, I wonder what the depreciation alone would be worth? I also don't know what other developments he is looking at with a stadium in LA. What are all the income streams with owning the stadium, the parking, other commercial developments that might go with it? What are the income streams from events aside from NFL football? All these things would be owned by Stan rather than the city. I think you'd have to know all this in order to come up with a comparison on ROI. I don't know the answers but I guarantee Stan does in both scenarios.

That's true, but in terms of moving the franchise...it means diddly. He simply cannot move to increase his own wealth. But, you are right, there's a potential for huge profits with everything included around the stadium proposal in Inglewood.
 

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Anticipated Timing for rams stadium plan
January— May 2015
• Present preliminary stadium plan to Governor and the public
• Ensure stadium plan and redevelopment site meet NFL criteria
• NFL confirms funding availability
• Finalize site plan and develop site acquisition strategy

June 2015 — December 2016
• Acquire site control
• Design and construction documents prepared and finalized
• Bids solicited and contractors selected
• Site preparation work begins

January December 2017
• Financing documents drafted, negotiated and signed
• Lease documents drafted, negotiated and signed
• Site preparation work completed and permits obtained

January 2018 Summer 2020
• Market seat licenses • Construction of new stadium for opening by 2020 NFL season

I added this from the Atlanta thread. Thanks, Tahoe
 

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That's not going to happen. IF he moves, it will be because he got enough votes for it to pass.
We'll have to see... but Jerry Jones seems to agree with me that even if 8 teams vote No, that's not going to stop Stan if he wants to move.
 

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We'll have to see... but Jerry Jones seems to agree with me that even if 8 teams vote No, that's not going to stop Stan if he wants to move.

That's probably more Jerry Jones saying they'll just vote yes anyway. Why vote no if he can just pick up and go anyway, when a yes makes it easier and a no brings about a big headache for no reason?

Also that time table is way too long
 

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That's true, but in terms of moving the franchise...it means diddly. He simply cannot move to increase his own wealth. But, you are right, there's a potential for huge profits with everything included around the stadium proposal in Inglewood.
I get what you're saying regarding the by-laws of the nfl however, if Kroenke didn't think he could do the deed, he wouldn't do it! And why do you think he'd do it if he didn't think he'd make money, big time as he knew when he bought into the team what was in the agreement! He don't care about the fans of the team other than what he can make off them! It's just business! :mad:
 

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That's probably more Jerry Jones saying they'll just vote yes anyway. Why vote no if he can just pick up and go anyway, when a yes makes it easier and a no brings about a big headache for no reason?

Also that time table is way too long
I'm sure the Rams will try submitting it to a vote if they want to move, since as you say, it's much easier. I'm just saying that if there's 9 or more No votes against them, they're not just going to say "Oh well" and stay in St. Louis.

It's one thing to have a rule... and one thing to be able to enforce it. The NFL probably won't be able to enforce the rule here and will more likely be the ones to back down since there's no profit in keeping a team in a city that doesn't want to be there.
 

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Rams Staying or Leaving? The Arguments for Both Sides
By Randy Karraker

http://www.101sports.com/2015/01/12/rams-staying-leaving-arguments-sides/

Last week provided quite a five days of news on the stadium front for the Rams. On Monday, we learned from the Los Angeles Times that Rams owner Stan Kroenke had partnered with Stockbridge Capital group to develop the land and build a stadium on the old Hollywood Park race track plot he purchased in Inglewood, California, about five miles from Los Angeles International Airport.

Then on Friday, Missouri Governor Jay Nixon’s task force of former Anheuser-Busch President David Peacock and local attorney Bob Blitz unveiled their plans for a new 64,000 seat stadium on the St. Louis riverfront. Both Rams fan bases, in L.A. and St. Louis, have reason to feel good about their chances to be driving to home games in 2016. Here are some of those reasons…

For Los Angeles:

-Kroenke’s actions over the course of the last year clearly showed a desire to move his franchise to L.A. Not talking to the customers who support his team in St. Louis, refusing to talk to anyone in a position to help him build a stadium in St. Louis, and initially purchasing the land at Hollywood Park were all clear indicators that he doesn’t want to run his business in St. Louis.

-The NFL clearly wants a team in the USA’s second largest market. Several owners have made it a point to tell people that the Rams were going to move. Commissioner Roger Goodell has frequently talked about getting the league back in L.A. The NFL has its television network based in L.A., and has made no secret of its desire to half a west coast wing of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

-From a media standpoint, Fox Sports is based in Los Angeles, and ESPN has developed a major presence there. L.A. is the entertainment capital of the world, and provides media coverage for a franchise there that isn’t available in St. Louis.

-There are a lot of incredibly rich businesses and people in Los Angeles. When the NFL sent out a questionnaire to potential fans in the area, the league asked about their willingness to pay $50,000 for lower level club PSL’s, and $25,000 for upper level. Kroenke is planning an 80,000 seat stadium that will likely cost $1.5 billion. Combine that with a relocation fee of $500 million, and it’s a $2 billion move. An average PSL price of $25,000 for 80,000 seats would give Kroenke $2 billion, allowing him to pay off his stadium without affecting his personal fortune. As we all know, you don’t make $5.6 billion by spending wildly on what someone else will pay for.

-Visiting teams would realize a windfall if the Rams would charge a minimum of $100 per ticket, as was suggested in the NFL questionnaire. There’s a 60/40 split of non-premium ticket proceeds for each game. So the teams in the NFC West, from a financial perspective, would certainly prefer 40% of the take of 80,000 really expensive seats in L.A. to 40% of the 64,000 pretty expensive seats in St. Louis.

-That rich fan base is passionate about bringing the Rams back. The Rams welcomed those fans to a tailgate get together in San Diego when the Rams visited there in December. The passion for the Rams is greater in the Southland than their passion for the Chargers or the Raiders, teams that also could in theory relocate.

-It’s far from a guarantee that St. Louis and Missouri government leaders will approve an extension of the bonds that currently are applied to the Edward Jones Dome. Even if it is simply an extension of what people are already paying, there are people in our country, as we know, that don’t want the government to get or spend any additional dollars for any more time.

-The NFL has already bent their rules to accommodate Kroenke. They agreed to allow him to skirt their cross ownership rules by continuing to own the Denver Nuggets and Colorado Avalanche until December of 2014. When he decided he needed more than three and a half years to comply, they gave him a one year extension. If they’re going to allow Kroenke to skirt those rules, why not the relocation guidelines?

For St. Louis

-St. Louis has detailed plans for a new stadium. As Jay Nixon’s stadium task force, attorney Bob Blitz and former Anheuser-Busch President David Peacock unveiled details on Friday. They provided knowledge of where the facility will be, how it will fit, where parking will be, how it will be financed and what level of support taxpayers and fans will have to provide.

-The NFL is aware of the St. Louis plan. Multiple reports suggested that the NFL was blindsided by Kroenke’s plan, but Peacock met with NFL Vice President-Stadium Development Eric Grubman, and has been in constant contact with the league about his plans.

-The franchise is already based in St. Louis, and the NFL’s own relocation guidelines say “Because League policy favors stable team-community relations, clubs are obligated to work diligently and in good faith to obtain and to maintain suitable stadium facilities in their home territories, and to operate in a manner that maximizes fan support in their current home community.” These guidelines, ironically, are a result of the Raiders moving to Los Angeles in 1982 without league approval to do so.

-St. Louis and Missouri have displayed enough alacrity in terms of providing the Rams a proposal, especially considering that Kroenke won’t communicate with them. Red McCombs purchased the Vikings in 1998 and approached new governor Jesse Ventura about a new stadium, and Ventura told him he wouldn’t even consider it.

Then McCombs met with new Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty in 2003, and Pawlenty said he would provide no help. McCombs sold the team to the family of Zygi Wilf in 2005, and they worked with the state until reaching a stadium deal in 2012. The Vikings will start play in their new stadium in 2016, eighteen years after their first request. The 49ers wanted to build on the site of Candlestick Park starting in 2006 and were rebuffed. They worked out their deal with Santa Clara in 2010, and started play at their privately financed Levis Stadium in 2014, eight years after their first try. Jim Irsay of the Colts declared that he needed a new stadium in 2002, and reached agreement for the construction of Lucas Oil Stadium in August of 2005. The Colts moved into their new facility six years after their first request, in 2008. The Chargers first asked for a new stadium in San Diego in 2000, and are still trying, with their seventh mayor since their initial request. In Atlanta, Falcons owner Arthur Blank requested a new stadium in April of 2010, and reached agreement to fund most of the new facility more than three years later, in May of 2013. With Blank footing 70%-80% of the bill, that stadium will open in 2017, seven years after the initial request.
bob blitz

Bob Blitz, another member of Nixon’s task force, has indicated corporate support is strong for an NFL team in St. Louis.

So while the narrative from the Rams may be that the region didn’t act quickly enough for their liking, the fact is that the Rams beat the CVC in their arbitration on February 2 of 2013, not even two years ago. Until then, nobody knew if there would be a need for a new facility. Relative to the rest of the league, if the team’s owner doesn’t participate, how can a proposal within two years that would have the team in a new stadium eight seasons later be too little, too late?

-St. Louis, despite the departure of at least ten Fortune 500 companies since the franchise arrived in St. Louis, has enough corporate support to make an NFL team more than competitive. On Friday, Peacock said “I like to deal in fact and data. The facts are half of the NFL teams play in cities with less Fortune 1000 companies than St. Louis has. We have seven of the top 200 private companies in the country. From just an economic standpoint, about 13 teams play in cities with a smaller GDP, if you will, or economy, than St. Louis. So it’s hard for me to say we don’t have the business support or the capability of business support.” The Rams seem to think that those companies should spend money with them simply because they’re in the NFL. If the Rams compete on the field at a higher level, they’ll be able to utilize those companies for their financial gain.

-The financial consequences of trying to move a franchise without approval could be enormous. In August of 2010, Kroenke joined a club of 31 other owners and agreed to abide by their rules. Of course, that includes relocation guidelines. The league will determine any relocation fee. And in 1996 when Ken Behring moved the Seahawks to Anaheim for a week, the NFL threatened to fine him $500,000 a day for every day he was there. $500,000 a day would wipe out Kroenke’s fortune in less than three years.

-With a new TV contract that started this year and runs through 2021, the league won’t see much immediate financial impact from a move of any team to Los Angeles. Certainly that market will contribute more to NFL properties with merchandise sales, but having those eyes on televisions for a team in L.A. won’t benefit the league until the next TV deal. Financially, the only major beneficiary of a move in 2016 would be Kroenke, and as those pesky guidelines say, “no club has an “entitlement” to relocate simply because it perceives an opportunity for enhanced club revenues in another location. Indeed, League traditions disfavor relocations if a club has been well-supported and financially successful and is expected to remain so.” The Rams traditionally have been well supported in St. Louis, relative to their on-field success, and indeed had their highest attendance since 2008 this past season.

Ultimately, the owners own the L.A. market and will make this decision, and it may not please St. Louis fans when all is said and done. But after Friday’s announcement, it would seem as if St. Louis is able to pull this stadium proposal off, the NFL would have to throw its rules out the window to allow a Rams transfer back to Los Angeles.
 

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Jerry Jones on the Rams and L.A.
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/15420/jerry-jones-on-the-rams-and-l-a

EARTH CITY, Mo. -- Earlier Tuesday, we opened the Morning Ram-blings in this space with a look at a story from the SportsBusiness Journal citing unnamed sources in the San Diego Chargers' organization offering thoughts on St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke relocating his team to Los Angeles.

But that wasn't the only story citing a higher-up in a team in the league discussing the move. In fact, there was one of the highest of higher-ups with his name attached to a New York Times story posted Monday evening. In this case, it was Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones speaking to the New York Times. (The part with Jones and the Rams is about halfway down).

Fans hoping the Rams will stay in St. Louis probably won't like what Jones had to say. Speaking to reporter Ken Belson, Jones made it clear he believes Kroenke and the Rams can and will relocate if that's truly what they want to do, even if the league's preference would be for them to stay.

"As it would turn out now, apart from the league saying no, you can move there," Jones told the New York Times. "Keep in mind that teams have moved without the permission of the league. They just have."

Jones went on to add that Kroenke can move even if the league says he can't and that "there are just certain things that clubs can do."

Jones would know better than most that there are certain things that clubs can do. Way back in 1995, Jones drew the ire of the league for signing a 10-year deal to make Pepsi the official soft drink of Texas Stadium even though Coca-Cola was the official league drink at the time. The move led to the league suing Jones for $300 million for violation of the league's revenue sharing model and he counter-sued for $750 million.

Neither suit made it far as the league and its owners actually realized Jones' plan was a good way for teams to add revenue. Jones was simply ahead of his time.

Having Jones come out and make such statements guarantees nothing but it's certainly worth noting any time one of the league's biggest power brokers speaks up. While St. Louis now has a stadium plan on the table and Kroenke has one in Los Angeles, much of what happens next could fall into the league's hands. But Kroenke will have a major say in the matter as well.

I've seen it written or heard it said that no team has ever left an NFL city with an accepted stadium proposal on the table in its current place. But that doesn't mean much if Kroenke turns down the proposal here. The St. Louis plan asks him to pay about $450 million ($200 million of which would come in the form of a loan but have to be paid back via revenue from premium seating ). The NFL can't force Kroenke to pay that money here or anywhere. If he turns down the St. Louis offer, there is no "accepted" stadium proposal.

One of the biggest questions in this whole thing is where the league will ultimately stand on the Rams' future. The NFL does have a little leverage should it or nine owners decide to challenge a potential move because Kroenke is still in violation of cross ownership rules. And there are possible penalties for an owner who decides to move without league permission such as withholding of shares of league revenue. For what it's worth Dave Peacock and the St. Louis group believes the NFL will enforce its guidelines on relocation before allowing a Kroenke move.

But as Jones pointed out, if Kroenke wants his end game to be a move to Los Angeles, there are ways to make it happen even if the league isn't on board.
 

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I'm sure the Rams will try submitting it to a vote if they want to move, since as you say, it's much easier. I'm just saying that if there's 9 or more No votes against them, they're not just going to say "Oh well" and stay in St. Louis.

It's one thing to have a rule... and one thing to be able to enforce it. The NFL probably won't be able to enforce the rule here and will more likely be the ones to back down since there's no profit in keeping a team in a city that doesn't want to be there.

Yeah, I would be shocked if they did stay if they were blocked. I think most of the NFL would too, which is why I see Jerry's comments as essentially those who diagree will vote yes anyway. Why go through all the issues that would happen, abd hurt their product when they can just say yes and see more profits? Ethics behind if they really upheld the bylaws or not will go over easier among the majority of the NFL fan base than a big legal fight. He's essentially set the NFL up to say "we told you there wasn't much we could do anyway back when it was all rumored" if there is some backlash.

That's a major part of why I don't think relying on the NFL is smart. I think the only way the Rams stay is if Stan either isn't serious, or they offer him something that just floors him and he has to take it.
 

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These are the questions and answers related to this topic from the Jim Thomas chat.
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http://sports.live.stltoday.com/Event/Rams_chat_with_Jim_Thomas_72?Page=0

With ESPN reporting that the Chargers' owner may sue to prevent Kroenke from moving the Rams to LA, can the city of St. Louis and Missouri also be able to sue and get a court order for the Rams not move in the event Kroenke decides to go rogue and leave? Would their be more or less leverage for the city and state if the NFL side with St. Louis and orders Kroenke to keep the Rams in St. Louis?

Actually it wasn't ESPN that reported that. It was the Sports Business Journal. But I'm not sure St. Louis and Missouri has any grounds for a lawsuit, unless they feel Kroenke is in clear violation of the relocation guidelines. (And even then I'm not sure if the region would have any legal standing.)
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If Stan offered St. Louis the balance remaining on the dome bonds in exchange for letting him leave, do you think they'd take it?

St. Louis doesn't want the money. It wants the team.
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What kind of timeframe/process are we looking at with the whole stadium issue? What's next? Funding, negotiating with the Rams/nfl?

According to Peacock, it's putting together a strategy to accumulate the land, and then getting the land. By this May they want to have the site acquisition plan and overall site plan finalized; make sure the stadium and redevelopment plan meets NFL criteria, and have the NFL confirm that there is stadium funding (from what's called it's G4 fund available). That's just one of several steps. They hope to break ground by 2017.
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What are the chances that the Rams stay? Give it to me straight Jim.

I'm still at 45-55 they stay.
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Is it possible (I know its technically possible but more like realistic) that we know whether the Rams are leaving or staying by the start of next year?

Possible. If the league allows teams to relocate in 2016. I believe the window to file for relocation is between Jan. 1 and Feb. 15.
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So if Stan likes the plans of St.Louis ,what does he tell LA that he was just kidding or do both?

Don't know how else I can put this: He wants to move the team.
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Could Kroenke "Major League" the 2015 season to stifle support here in StL to make the move easier to justify?

I don't think the team will be traveling by bus next season. But reaching a stadium agreement in Calif. certainly figures to put a dent in attendance in 2015, and in that case it could become a self-fulfilling prophecy as the say in terms of fan support.
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Jim, why should St. Louis fight for the Rams if Stan wants to leave? Do we want an owner that doesn't want to be here.

When you go to a game, if you go to games, are you rooting for the owner or the team on the field?
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I am somewhat surprised that you are still at only 45-55 that the Rams will stay? As a fan that somehow someway the Rams stay can you give those like me your reasoning on why your hope is as high as it is? Believe me I want to believe that they would stay.

I wouldn't necessarily call 45% high. As long as the Peacock-Blitz plan is alive and well, St. Louis has a chance.
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I think Kroenke feels that he has a pretty good anti-trust lawsuit against the NFL and thinks that even just the threat of taking them to court (where the settlement amount awarded to the victor are TRIPLE) will be enough to get the league to back down. Your thoughts?

Well, I'm not going to pretend I know what Kroenke thinks. I do know Kroenke's m.o. is not to go rogue. I also know the league has some leverage with Kroenke because he's currently not in compliance with cross-ownership rules. And I also know, as I wrote in an article last week, there are financial penalties now in place in the NFL if an owner moves without owners approval.
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I had thought that the LA stuff was leverage but announcing a stadium in LA at this point indicates Kroenke has been negotiating in bad faith.

I don't think you can call what's happening in St. Louis "negotiation" as far as Kroenke is concerned.
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JT did you by chance read the article "Stadium expert: St. Louis would overpay for Rams under Peacock’s plan" by Brian Feldt? If so your thoughts.

Haven't read it. What are his qualifications as a "stadium expert." Also, I don't need to read an article to realize that St. Louis would have to overpay to keep the Rams. That's kind of where we are in this.
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Peacock & Blitz seem to be committed to the notion that the NFL bylaws are binding, that they are dealing with "men of integrity". Do you share that view?

Well, I think that's about the only thing P& B can say at this time, because that's the only interpretation that keeps the Rams in St. Louis. (Assuming the stadium plan here becomes a reality.) As for myself, I have a certain amount of skepticism regarding NFL owners. In the past, I have often seen the league take the path of least resistance or bend the rules to resolve a situation.
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Do you get the sense that Kroenke would partner with Spanos in order to resolve any friction? Or do you think he is going for the entire market?

I'm sure Stan would rather have the entire market. But in my head I haven't totally dismissed the "partnering" concept. Although I'm not sure Spanos would want to share a market that he thinks he should get first crack at. Also, what makes the NFL think 2 teams would be supported there, when support for even one has been problematical.
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Goodell commented previously that no stadium would be proposed in LA without league approval. So how is Kroenke getting away with his Inglewood proposal? Shouldn't Goodell be called out for saying any further development would need league approval?

I don't think Goodell said precisely that. Besides, Kroenke simply has an agreement in Inglewood, it's not like the bulldozers are coming in next week.
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Jim - what happens to the plans to build Farmers field now? If Kroenke really wanted to move the team to LA, why not partnering with AEG? It seems like the most logical move. The plans to build Farmers field have been around for a while

I don't think Anschutz is going down without a fight. What if he/AEG partners up with Spanos and the Chargers. Then what does the league do?
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to date we have heard of the Rams playing in LA in 2016. Has any information leaked out as to where they would play until the stadium is ready.

Venue most commonly mentioned is Rose Bowl.
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What do you make of jerry jones comment that kroenke can move without league approval?

Jerry's a maverick, and I wouldn't be stunned if he told Kroenke: Just do what you want and force the league's hand.
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Jim - are the Rams not profitable in ST Louis? I would assume there are other less profitable teams elsewhere in the league.

Due to the money from the TV contract, it's basically impossible to lose money. So yes, the Rams are still making money, although I'm sure they're at or near the bottom in profitability. But here's a tip on how to make more money: try winning more than one out of three ballgames over an 11-year stretch.
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Kroenke wants the LA market for cable rights, a lot of money and people out there, they could have their own cable network and sell it to the local cable suppliers. Remember Anaheim coming in and signing Pujols to that large contract and a couple of days later the owner announces a $250M cable agreement, that is where the money came from for Pujols and good for him. that is what Kroenke invisions, i believe he has that in Denver?

What cable rights? Except for the 4 preseason games (those not shown on national TV, that is), that goes to the league and is split among the teams.
 

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I don't know why JT is spouting off all of a sudden. I don't know what's going on anymore. All I know is I trust no one and nobody on this issue. It's that mixed up.
 

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Jim, why should St. Louis fight for the Rams if Stan wants to leave? Do we want an owner that doesn't want to be here.

When you go to a game, if you go to games, are you rooting for the owner or the team on the field?
Sure, you cheer for a team instead of the owner, but if the owner wants to leave, that means the team wants to leave.

If things continue as they are going, but the Rams are still in St. Louis in 2015, I see attendance taking a huge nosedive (which I would not blame the St. Louis fans for... it would be for the same reasons the Rams' attendance in 1994 stunk.)
 

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Sure, you cheer for a team instead of the owner, but if the owner wants to leave, that means the team wants to leave.

If things continue as they are going, but the Rams are still in St. Louis in 2015, I see attendance taking a huge nosedive (which I would not blame the St. Louis fans for... it would be for the same reasons the Rams' attendance in 1994 stunk.)

Hmmm....That wouldn't jive well with this part of the relocation rules:

7. The degree to which the owners or managers of the club have contributed to
circumstances which might demonstrate the need for such relocation.
 

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I don't know why JT is spouting off all of a sudden. I don't know what's going on anymore. All I know is I trust no one and nobody on this issue. It's that mixed up.

I think Bernie and JT are both a little pissed they got NO inside info before the story was released.
 

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I think Bernie and JT are both a little pissed they got NO inside info before the story was released.
I think that's their perpetual state of existence regardless of what the topic of discussion is. ;)
 

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I don't know why JT is spouting off all of a sudden. I don't know what's going on anymore. All I know is I trust no one and nobody on this issue. It's that mixed up.

I'm sure most if not all St Louis sports reporters are being told to write about the story. It's the biggest story going on right now, so to not talk about it would be foolish. Same reason why most will likely say that a move isn't all that likely or things can stop it, etc, because if they were to give up hope, people wont want to read, and they can lose money. Just as LA beat writers will be told to push the story that they are likely to come.
 

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Rams Staying or Leaving? The Arguments for Both Sides
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Pretty balanced article.

The Rams traditionally have been well supported in St. Louis, relative to their on-field success, and indeed had their highest attendance since 2008 this past season.
I have never been to a game at the Ed but from everything I hear, this is a very true statement and what bugs me most about the situation.
 

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Hmmm....That wouldn't jive well with this part of the relocation rules:

7. The degree to which the owners or managers of the club have contributed to
circumstances which might demonstrate the need for such relocation.

I wonder if this part was in there when Georgia and Shaw screwed over the LA fans. I feel for the ST Louis fans and a big part of that is from watching what those two did in order to contribute to fan apathy in LA. I don't wish that on any fan base, especially a fan base that has historically supported their team. St Louis doesn't deserve that and neither did LA fans.
I think Bernie and JT are both a little pissed they got NO inside info before the story was released.

I don't know about JT but Bernie certainly has earned the go fuck yourself treatment.
 

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Just for the record...

Shaw hasn't been safe to be in a room alone with me for about 30 years now. You STL guys can finally unite with me on our feelings for that mother fucking piece of shit.

My Ram ink will only be applied when that parasite is no more.

DEAD
 
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