New: Latest on Kroenke, Rams and NFL in STL

[Ballhawk]

This sounds like one heck of an argument for never building an open air or a retractable roofed stadium. Should we just remodel the dome?

 

[STL-Rams]

We had a fist-fight over this in the storage room at ROD last night and I lost.

Hope you are ok, my friend! Thanks again, PT!!!

 

[STL-Rams]

I don't think he could afford it, but he would be the perfect guy to spearhead an ownership group to take over.

Indeed

 

[Prime Time]

Hope you are ok, my friend! Thanks again, PT!!!

I'm good. Sent you a pm explaining why we're merging all these types of articles into your super-duper-one-big-mamma-jamma thread.

 

[den-the-coach]

L.A. stadium comments in 3 2 1....

What Stadium in LA?

 

[STL-Rams]

Sorry but I don't buy this leverage drum everyone keeps banging.

Also I highly doubt Kronke wants his team playing in a stadium he doesn't own.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/01/07/nixon-no-shake-down-to-keep-rams-in-town/Sorry but I just don't buy this leverage drum everyone keeps banging.



ST. LOUIS (KMOX) – If the Los Angeles stadium deal announced by Stan Kroenke is an attempt to get Missouri to pony up for a new NFL stadium in St. Louis, it’s not going to work. Brian Kelly reports that’s the indication from Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon.

After issuing a statement Monday saying he’s committed to keeping St. Louis an NFL city, Nixon made it clear Tuesday that his commitment has its limits.

Making his first public comments since the Ingelwood stadium deal was announced, Nixon told Kansas City’s KCTV that “nobody is going to shake down Missouri.”

However, he is not backing away from his desire to get a new stadium built.

“There are great advantages to having both the luster of an NFL franchise, as well as the public facilities that can be used for many types of other things,” he said.

Meanwhile, Missouri Legislative leaders say there is no appetite in Jefferson City for raising taxes to build a football stadium in St. Louis.

The task force working on a new stadium plan is scheduled to issue its report to Nixon on Friday.

Owing brings issues such as maintaining stadium, insurance, etc. Only 5 teams own their stadiums. Jerry Jones does not. Paul Allen -- the richest owner in the league -- does not even own his.

 

[blue4]

This sounds like one heck of an argument for never building an open air or a retractable roofed stadium. Should we just remodel the dome?

That would waste the dome potential as well.

 

[Corbin]

What Stadium in LA?

Not one yet... you know how it is any thread about stadiums the LA or Kroenke or moving comes up... you can talk about the Urinals in AT&T stadium in Dallas and it'll still come up " That SOB Kroenke wants to put urinals in a stadium in LA" :/

 

[STL-Rams]

http://www.insidestl.com/insideSTLc...Kroenke-the-Rams-and-the-NFL-in-St-Louis.aspx
Latest Thoughts on Stan Kroenke, the Rams and the NFL in St. Louis
Shane Gray posted on January 08, 2015 11:12
By now, most everyone is aware of Sam Farmer's Los Angeles Times report that broke the news of St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke's plans to team up with Stockbridge Capital Group to construct an NFL stadium and multifaceted development at Hollywood Park -- a location that has been rumored as a potential league venue site since the mid 1990s.

As Farmer points out, there have been more than a dozen L.A. area stadium proposals that have come and gone over the last 20 years. Will the aforementioned Kroenke plan, however, finally be the one that goes from conceptualization to reality and ultimately bring the NFL back to L.A.? At this point at least, the answer to that question would appear to be a yes.

With that said, I would like to touch on a multitude of topics in response to the prospective Kroenke/Stockbridge Capital Group stadium development:

-As I have pointed out previously, there has never been a team relocate with a state of the art venue plan approved in its current market, even prior to the introduction of the NFL's relocation guidelines and certainly not since they were tweaked and tightened following the moving mayhem that took place in the 1990s. When considering how the NFL controls the L.A. market, that specific league guidelines are in place related to potential relocation and the above-mentioned historical precedence that no team has moved with an approved stadium plan in place at home, local fans have reason to maintain hopes of keeping the Rams in St. Louis.

-In spite of the thinking of a vast many observers, the Rams future is a long way from being decided.


(Happy new year, first of all, to ROD -- the best board around. Hope you enjoy the new read. Lots more via the full read below with new info/thoughts):

http://www.insidestl.com/insideSTLcom/STLSports/STLRams/tabid/137/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/15973/Latest-Thoughts-on-Stan-Kroenke-the-Rams-and-the-NFL-in-St-Louis.aspx

Have always enjoyed your writing and the topics you pursue, Los Angeles or St Louis makes no difference to me, live in neither, though I do like the starting times of games played in St Louis vs. LA (live in Iowa, though raised in LA)
write on
train[/QUOTE]

Thank you, Train. Glad to count you a friend for several years. Thanks a ton for sharing that.

 

[Tron]

Hope you are ok, my friend! Thanks again, PT!!!

Primetime is the Katniss Everdeen of ROD.


BTW, still miss the Rams News, nuggets at noon stuff you did at B/R. But glad you are a part of this place.


On a OT note, what about a half dome? Or something that is the fully covered but partly? Like an enclosure so to speak.

 

[mr.stlouis]

The only reason I would prefer a Retractable Roof is because IMO, it's the best of both worlds and if the Gateway City ever had hope to host a Super Bowl the Retractable Roof would give them at the very minimum half a chance.

I concur with Shane in every other area with the exception that being born in 1966 I'm not getting any younger and it seems I'm getting colder and would have trepidation attending a game in cold weather. But then again if the Rams were to finally make post season I might just run naked in St. Louis in January, much to the chagrin of many!

Oh yes, I'm all about staying cool on a hot day, warm on a cold day, and enjoying the sun on a pretty day. I hope we can make that happen.

I'll be in STL watching the games either way, though.

 

[bluecoconuts]

Owing brings issues such as maintaining stadium, insurance, etc. Only 5 teams own their stadiums. Jerry Jones does not. Paul Allen -- the richest owner in the league -- does not even own his.

Word is that Stan wants to own everything including the dirt though
Assuming that is true, then what other owners do shouldn't really mean much. If it's really what Stan wants then it will be a sticking point.

Kind of like saying the NFL controls relocation not the owners. Not exactly true, its a good PR point, but if Stan wants to move, he can battle it out and move, but its more likely he'll just convince the owners to vote yes. Stuff about going to the NFL instead of him sounds like a PR move to me, to convince the NFL to let another team move there if he does go, rather than trying to force him to stay. These guys know more than I do obviously, but taking the approach of doing the minimum needed to force an owner to stay rather than get to hard negotiations seems like bad ju-ju to me.

 

[mr.stlouis]

Not one yet... you know how it is any thread about stadiums the LA or Kroenke or moving comes up... you can talk about the Urinals in AT&T stadium in Dallas and it'll still come up " That SOB Kroenke wants to put urinals in a stadium in LA" :/

Maybe it will be different now that the rules are clear.

We can now post about the issue on this thread, but it has to be be presented with respect and tact.

One can always go to Rams Talk to bash LA or STL. Of course I am an exception to that because I got banned from there. Every topic over there is like opening a fresh can of worms. That's why ROD is the diamond in the goats rear of Ram forums.

 

[blue4]

Word is that Stan wants to own everything including the dirt though
Assuming that is true, then what other owners do shouldn't really mean much. If it's really what Stan wants then it will be a sticking point.

Kind of like saying the NFL controls relocation not the owners. Not exactly true, its a good PR point, but if Stan wants to move, he can battle it out and move, but its more likely he'll just convince the owners to vote yes. Stuff about going to the NFL instead of him sounds like a PR move to me, to convince the NFL to let another team move there if he does go, rather than trying to force him to stay. These guys know more than I do obviously, but taking the approach of doing the minimum needed to force an owner to stay rather than get to hard negotiations seems like bad ju-ju to me.

Doing the minimum to remain in a city while buying stadium land in another city isn't great ju-ju either. The owner doesn't even take meetings.

 

[Prime Time]

Primetime is the Katniss Everdeen of ROD.

I like to think of myself more as the Gale Hawthorne of ROD. "Described by Katniss as muscular and very handsome, and catches the attention of girls in District 12." :shades:

 

[blue4]

Let's hope that no matter who goes where, both STL and LA get a team. The good people of LA deserve one. And the other cities need a break from being threatened by a LA move.

 

[LosAngelesRams]

L.A. stadium comments in 3 2 1....

Dont really get this comment. Thats the point of this thread being stickied, everything can be discussed in one thread ( new STL stadium, LA stadium, relocation, no relocation, whatever) and there has been some great discussion on everything so far.

 

[MrMotes]

As for the question of business and corporate support, the NFL relocation guidelines specify that a team requesting to move must demonstrate it has exhausted all opportunities to be successful in its market. A perceived lack of corporate support is an area the Rams are expected to attack as battle lines are drawn in the team’s increasingly apparent attempts to relocate.

I think this is pretty big right here. If Jim Thomas says it's apparent the Rams are trying to move that takes a lot of wind out of the leverage theory...

 

[Lesson]

I think this is pretty big right here. If Jim Thomas says it's apparent the Rams are trying to move that takes a lot of wind out of the leverage theory...

I think the fact that the Rams won arbitration vs the CVC would be a point in the Rams favor, though. I don't think the stadium question will be solved within months or a year either.

Anyways, I like the proposal of the new STL stadium. I'm not calling for a retractable roof, but having the upper deck cover ala Century Link Field would be nice.

 

[Rams and Gators]

I like to think of myself more as the Gale Hawthorne of ROD. "Described by Katniss as muscular and very handsome, and catches the attention of girls in District 12." :shades:

I like thinking of you as Prim's goat .