McVay on last year's offense and Goff

[oldnotdead]

Sean McVay debunks 'unfair narrative' of Jared Goff causing Rams offense to decline

Sean McVay says it’s not fair to blame Jared Goff for the Rams’ offensive struggles.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Interesting read where McVay admits a lot IMO most of the offensive woes were of his own making. He also mentions in passing his micromanagement of each offensive play and being in Goff's ear way too long. It's one thing to make the play call and maybe pass on some advice, etc. It's totally different when he's making the QB calls as well. This is exactly what I've mentioned in my posts about McVay being a contributor to Goff's lack of development.

It's one thing for a coach to be an innovator and another thing for him to be a developer of young raw talent. It's clear from the Goff experience, McVay falls into the first category and comes up short as a developer of talent. I would be willing to bet the Rams don't use anymore high draft picks on a QB, and IMO they will headhunt for veterans like Stafford in the future unless they hire a true QB guru to coach the young guy up as long as McVay is their HC.

 

[Gandalf]

Hopefully Stafford has a few good years left and we don't have to worry about it for a while.

 

[Psycho_X]

Sean McVay debunks 'unfair narrative' of Jared Goff causing Rams offense to decline

Sean McVay says it’s not fair to blame Jared Goff for the Rams’ offensive struggles.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Interesting read where McVay admits a lot IMO most of the offensive woes were of his own making. He also mentions in passing his micromanagement of each offensive play and being in Goff's ear way too long. It's one thing to make the play call and maybe pass on some advice, etc. It's totally different when he's making the QB calls as well. This is exactly what I've mentioned in my posts about McVay being a contributor to Goff's lack of development.

It's one thing for a coach to be an innovator and another thing for him to be a developer of young raw talent. It's clear from the Goff experience, McVay falls into the first category and comes up short as a developer of talent. I would be willing to bet the Rams don't use anymore high draft picks on a QB, and IMO they will headhunt for veterans like Stafford in the future unless they hire a true QB guru to coach the young guy up as long as McVay is their HC.

Already a thread talking about this but regardless McVay always falls on the sword whether it's his fault or not. And McVay can't develop talent? I mean, he got Kirk Cousins the richest contract in football history and then got Jared Goff the richest contract extension in history. I'd say he developed two young QBs quite well. Shit fell apart one reason or another the last year but you can't say he didn't develop Goff into that 2017 and 2018 season.

 

[payote75]

Yea I don't think he meant it completely that way. He was falling on the sword and seemed to make it 50/50 but realistically he now has a veteran quarterback so that micromanaging would be a huge issue with a veteran. I just think he coddled Goff yes but when the training wheels were taken off he wasn't where he wanted him to be hence he began micromanaging. If he was that type he would bring coaches in let them blossom and then go elsewhere. He would micromanage them as well. Let's just hope it works out well for Mcvay and for Goff.

 

[FarNorth]

Sean McVay debunks 'unfair narrative' of Jared Goff causing Rams offense to decline

Sean McVay says it’s not fair to blame Jared Goff for the Rams’ offensive struggles.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Interesting read where McVay admits a lot IMO most of the offensive woes were of his own making. He also mentions in passing his micromanagement of each offensive play and being in Goff's ear way too long. It's one thing to make the play call and maybe pass on some advice, etc. It's totally different when he's making the QB calls as well. This is exactly what I've mentioned in my posts about McVay being a contributor to Goff's lack of development.

It's one thing for a coach to be an innovator and another thing for him to be a developer of young raw talent. It's clear from the Goff experience, McVay falls into the first category and comes up short as a developer of talent. I would be willing to bet the Rams don't use anymore high draft picks on a QB, and IMO they will headhunt for veterans like Stafford in the future unless they hire a true QB guru to coach the young guy up as long as McVay is their HC.

I am glad to see the article with McVay's quotes transcribed. This is very close to what some of us, including me, having been saying about what happened with the offense last year. It was more than just Goff.

 

[FarNorth]

Already a thread talking about this but regardless McVay always falls on the sword whether it's his fault or not. And McVay can't develop talent? I mean, he got Kirk Cousins the richest contract in football history and then got Jared Goff the richest contract extension in history. I'd say he developed two young QBs quite well. Shit fell apart one reason or another the last year but you can't say he didn't develop Goff into that 2017 and 2018 season.

Or maybe McVay is not falling on his sword but just being honest about what happened.

If not, why would McVay bother to call out an "unfair narrative" and specifically comment on other issues with the offense including his own?

 

[Psycho_X]

Or maybe McVay is not falling on his sword but just being honest about what happened.

If not, why would McVay bother to call out an "unfair narrative" and specifically comment on other issues with the offense including his own?

I would say that is probably true as with most things. It's never a one sided problem. Not saying there isn't. But to say McVay is incapable of developing talent when he's done it twice now is a bit short sighted.

 

[FarNorth]

I would say that is probably true as with most things. It's never a one sided problem. Not saying there isn't. But to say McVay is incapable of developing talent when he's done it twice now is a bit short sighted.

I was responding only to the point that McVay was falling on his sword not whether he can develop talent. Of course he can, though how that may have worked out over time is another discussion.

 

[dang]

Sean McVay debunks 'unfair narrative' of Jared Goff causing Rams offense to decline

Sean McVay says it’s not fair to blame Jared Goff for the Rams’ offensive struggles.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Interesting read where McVay admits a lot IMO most of the offensive woes were of his own making. He also mentions in passing his micromanagement of each offensive play and being in Goff's ear way too long. It's one thing to make the play call and maybe pass on some advice, etc. It's totally different when he's making the QB calls as well. This is exactly what I've mentioned in my posts about McVay being a contributor to Goff's lack of development.

It's one thing for a coach to be an innovator and another thing for him to be a developer of young raw talent. It's clear from the Goff experience, McVay falls into the first category and comes up short as a developer of talent. I would be willing to bet the Rams don't use anymore high draft picks on a QB, and IMO they will headhunt for veterans like Stafford in the future unless they hire a true QB guru to coach the young guy up as long as McVay is their HC.

Or maybe Goff just never instilled confidence into McVay that he could lead the charge without being carefully monitored/guided. Goff was very streaky where he would go for long stretches of being spot on or just plain off. He is a talented NFL QB but especially this year I found myself on the edge of my seat way too often hoping Goff wouldn’t make another bone head turnover or fall into a 3 series funk. It was not a feeling of confidence or satisfaction.

 

[FrantikRam]

Or maybe McVay is not falling on his sword but just being honest about what happened.

If not, why would McVay bother to call out an "unfair narrative" and specifically comment on other issues with the offense including his own?

They asked him what happened - it's not like he brought up the unfair narrative without any prompting. We all know McVay was NEVER going to be transparent about this because it would require kicking Goff while he's down - no need.

Having said that, it's football - it's never just about one player. Everybody can always do better, which is the sort of mantra that McVay falls back on.

If we cared to I'd wager we could have summarized what he was going to say about Goff in his first press conference after the trade and been dead on.

 

[CoachAllred]

If not, why would McVay bother to call out an "unfair narrative" and specifically comment on other issues with the offense including his own?

Because McVay is a good man. He stands up and accepts responsibility for his shortcomings.
But he also understands that Goff is not the answer at QB.
He wants a more cerebral player at QB. One that he doesn't have to limit the offensive playbook.
He also wanted someone with the same work ethic and intense love for the game that he has.
Stafford fits this criteria, Goff doesn't.

 

[Ramit]

Already a thread talking about this but regardless McVay always falls on the sword whether it's his fault or not. And McVay can't develop talent? I mean, he got Kirk Cousins the richest contract in football history and then got Jared Goff the richest contract extension in history. I'd say he developed two young QBs quite well. Shit fell apart one reason or another the last year but you can't say he didn't develop Goff into that 2017 and 2018 season.

McVay wasn't the only coach on either staff who contributed to said circumstances.

 

[TexasRam]

It's one of the things you like about Mcvay. He is careful to make sure he doesn't throw his players or ex players under the bus.

It's the classy way to go about it.

He will probably never say much about how he really feels about Goff's part in the offensive struggles. What we are hearing here is coach speak and also relationship mending or an attempt at it.

 

[MachS]

Sean McVay debunks 'unfair narrative' of Jared Goff causing Rams offense to decline

Sean McVay says it’s not fair to blame Jared Goff for the Rams’ offensive struggles.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Interesting read where McVay admits a lot IMO most of the offensive woes were of his own making. He also mentions in passing his micromanagement of each offensive play and being in Goff's ear way too long. It's one thing to make the play call and maybe pass on some advice, etc. It's totally different when he's making the QB calls as well. This is exactly what I've mentioned in my posts about McVay being a contributor to Goff's lack of development.

It's one thing for a coach to be an innovator and another thing for him to be a developer of young raw talent. It's clear from the Goff experience, McVay falls into the first category and comes up short as a developer of talent. I would be willing to bet the Rams don't use anymore high draft picks on a QB, and IMO they will headhunt for veterans like Stafford in the future unless they hire a true QB guru to coach the young guy up as long as McVay is their HC.

What do you expect McVay to come out and say? He already traded Goff to one of the worst teams in the NFL, after he and the GM pretty much disrespected him to the media a few weeks ago. Do you really think he's going to come out and blame Goff and beat him down more? The trade says everything you need to hear.

Also @oldnotdead no where in McVay's entire press conference did he say anything about being in Goff's ear too long. Nor did he say anything about micromanaging him or "making the QB calls." If you're going to start a thread and give misinformation to try and fit your narrative, that is completely bullshit. Many around here don't have an hour to listen to the press conference and will take you at your word. So making shit up is not cool man. Have some pride and respect for other members of this board. McVay did not say either of those things at all.

 

[jrry32]

Because McVay is a good man. He stands up and accepts responsibility for his shortcomings.
But he also understands that Goff is not the answer at QB.
He wants a more cerebral player at QB. One that he doesn't have to limit the offensive playbook.
He also wanted someone with the same work ethic and intense love for the game that he has.
Stafford fits this criteria, Goff doesn't.

I respectfully disagree.

Already a thread talking about this but regardless McVay always falls on the sword whether it's his fault or not. And McVay can't develop talent? I mean, he got Kirk Cousins the richest contract in football history and then got Jared Goff the richest contract extension in history. I'd say he developed two young QBs quite well. Shit fell apart one reason or another the last year but you can't say he didn't develop Goff into that 2017 and 2018 season.

McVay is a phenomenal Head Coach. I'm glad we have him. And he did a great job with Cousins. But I'll point out that Cousins's numbers since McVay left are actually slightly better than his numbers with McVay as his play-caller. We'll see what Goff does over the next few years. He definitely developed Goff. I fear that he gave up on him too quickly.

 

[Classic Rams]

We just have to accept that we'll never get a straight answer on Gurley or Goff's shortcomings from McVay.

But if I shorten his answer re:Goff it comes out to "I need to do better so I traded him."

I just need to do better and let all that other stuff besides a straight answer roll off because he'll never give us the dirt. I'm sure the reporters have already figured this out. Do their heads swirl like mine does when he goes on those long explanations that dance around the question? Maybe a fly on the wall will uncover it all one day in a tell-all. But for now just get us a shiny trophy.

 

[PhillyRam]

I respectfully disagree.



McVay is a phenomenal Head Coach. I'm glad we have him. And he did a great job with Cousins. But I'll point out that Cousins's numbers since McVay left are actually slightly better than his numbers with McVay as his play-caller. We'll see what Goff does over the next few years. He definitely developed Goff. I fear that he gave up on him too quickly.

If Stafford gives them 5 good yrs with a few great ones in there, then it won't matter, but if Stafford gets banged up as he gets older and he only plays well for 2 or 3 yrs, then it was a massive f*ck up.

 

[Debacled]

Sean McVay debunks 'unfair narrative' of Jared Goff causing Rams offense to decline

Sean McVay says it’s not fair to blame Jared Goff for the Rams’ offensive struggles.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Interesting read where McVay admits a lot IMO most of the offensive woes were of his own making. He also mentions in passing his micromanagement of each offensive play and being in Goff's ear way too long. It's one thing to make the play call and maybe pass on some advice, etc. It's totally different when he's making the QB calls as well. This is exactly what I've mentioned in my posts about McVay being a contributor to Goff's lack of development.

It's one thing for a coach to be an innovator and another thing for him to be a developer of young raw talent. It's clear from the Goff experience, McVay falls into the first category and comes up short as a developer of talent. I would be willing to bet the Rams don't use anymore high draft picks on a QB, and IMO they will headhunt for veterans like Stafford in the future unless they hire a true QB guru to coach the young guy up as long as McVay is their HC.

If we are going to imply conjecture on what was actually said we could also use that to finish the thought line that he was in Goff's ear too long. Perhaps it was because he couldn't trust Goff to get it right on his own? It is a good interview, but we will never get 100% of the story from him because he just isn't the type of coach to come down and explicitly state what wasn't getting translated right from the white board to the field. Especially when it comes to what any specific player is or isn't getting right.

The fact of the lengths they went to trade Goff says enough about what the staff thought this team was capable under Goff. Bottom line is they thought it wasn't going to be enough.

McVay owns what doesn't go right. Regardless if it is a player or coach failure.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Sean McVay debunks 'unfair narrative' of Jared Goff causing Rams offense to decline

Sean McVay says it’s not fair to blame Jared Goff for the Rams’ offensive struggles.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Interesting read where McVay admits a lot IMO most of the offensive woes were of his own making. He also mentions in passing his micromanagement of each offensive play and being in Goff's ear way too long. It's one thing to make the play call and maybe pass on some advice, etc. It's totally different when he's making the QB calls as well. This is exactly what I've mentioned in my posts about McVay being a contributor to Goff's lack of development.

It's one thing for a coach to be an innovator and another thing for him to be a developer of young raw talent. It's clear from the Goff experience, McVay falls into the first category and comes up short as a developer of talent. I would be willing to bet the Rams don't use anymore high draft picks on a QB, and IMO they will headhunt for veterans like Stafford in the future unless they hire a true QB guru to coach the young guy up as long as McVay is their HC.

I disagree. McVay is giving coach speak in that piece. He's trying to reel back criticism of Goff, for Body's sake. Some QBs can read defenses better than others. After 6 years Goff should have it figured out. He's a grown man and that is a very difficult skill to master, but he had it spoon fed to him. Some guys never get good at it. If he wasn't mastering it in 2017-2018 then McVay had to do what he did to help the team along or they don't reach the Superbowl.

Why couldn't Goff be learning as he went, when the coach was telling him what he should be seeing before every play?? Did Goff close his eyes before the snap? If anything it should have made it easier to learn. You take one QB and sumise that McVay cannot develop QBs. Huge leap of logic. I guess he gets not credit for Wolford, or Cousins.

 

[FarNorth]

They asked him what happened - it's not like he brought up the unfair narrative without any prompting. We all know McVay was NEVER going to be transparent about this because it would require kicking Goff while he's down - no need.

Get real. McVay had his answer ready. He knew exactly what he wanted to say. "Unfair narrative" was his term.