McVay needs an intervention

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You're correct. However, I go back to the game against Green Bay. Everyone in that stadium knew Gurley was getting the ball to close it out. But it was 3rd and 10. Running it would mean giving up, right? Nah. Toss, left side, Gurley picks up 15, falls down, end of game.

You can look at plays and situational football objectively, regardless of the outcome of the game.
Right, like I said earlier, I didn't have a problem with it, because I understand where he was coming from. I would have called it differently. You clearly would have as well. It is a pretty nit-pickey thing to be upset about when we are 10-1.

The reality is, if we get the first down there we are not having this conversation. Also, if we ran it 3 times and punted, maybe they drive down and score. We will never know. What I do know is that we won, it was an amazing game, and I am not going to spend my Thanksgiving week being pissed off about how we won.
 

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I addressed you in a follow up post. Relax. We ran the ball against Green Bay on 3rd and 10. Gurley picked up 15 to ice the game. That's precedent that shows that McVay doesn't consider running the ball giving up.

I think most would agree 3rd and 10 is more difficult to convert than 1st and 15.
Yea, you posted while I was typing, sorry about that.
 

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I addressed you in a follow up post. Relax. We ran the ball against Green Bay on 3rd and 10. Gurley picked up 15 to ice the game. That's precedent that shows that McVay doesn't consider running the ball giving up.

I think most would agree 3rd and 10 is more difficult to convert than 1st and 15.
You telling me to relax is kind of funny, though.
 

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It is a pretty nit-pickey thing to be upset about when we are 10-1.

That's your opinion. McVay himself has said he can get too pass happy at times and he needs to work on it. I have no problem with playing aggressive. Hell, I have no real problem with him calling it like he did with as hot as Goff was in that game. But you can fly only so close to the sun before you get burned. And your record as a team shouldn't have any impact on your ability to be objective and reflect on key situations. Smart clock management and situational football are what make teams consistently good.

The reality is, if we get the first down there we are not having this conversation. Also, if we ran it 3 times and punted, maybe they drive down and score. We will never know. What I do know is that we won, it was an amazing game, and I am not going to spend my Thanksgiving week being ticked off about how we won.

"The reality is..." followed by two hypothetical scenarios. The reality is nobody cares because we won. And nobody is ticked off. Having a discussion on a forum is not being ticked off. There's a difference between spewing baseless complaints (see: the gameday thread) and bringing up legitimate concerns. It's just a discussion.
 
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That's your opinion. McVay himself has said he can get too pass happy at times and he needs to work on it. I have no problem with playing aggressive. Hell, I have no real problem with him calling it like he did with as hot as Goff was in that game. But you can only fly so close to the sun before you get burned. And your record as a team shouldn't have any impact on your ability to be objective and reflect on key situations. Smart clock management and situational football are what make teams consistently good.



"The reality is..." followed by two hypothetical scenarios. The reality is nobody cares because we won. And nobody is ticked off. Having a discussion on a forum is not being ticked off. There's a difference between spewing baseless complaints and bringing up legitimate concerns.


The Reality is..(Twho Hypothetical Scenarios)..We will never know.

Does that help?

I will say again, then I am out, as it is almost midnight here, for the most part, I agree with you, and would have called at least 2 running plays, but I am not upset that we have an aggressive HC.

Happy Thanksgiving.
 

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You seemed ticked off.

I am not at all. I have been a rams fan since 1977. I have lived through a LOT of lean times. No way in the world I am going to be upset with a 10-1 team.
 

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I like McVay trying to close it out. I also would rather the Chiefs didn't have a Timeout remaining with the ball and 1:04 remaining on the clock. That's a lot of time when a FG ties it up. Good thing Hekker nailed the punt. Not sure Higbee gets a first if the pass was completed but, it would have made them use a timeout and take a few more seconds off the clock. I go with McVay but, could see playing it a little safer with the game situation.
 

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I like McVay trying to close it out. I also would rather the Chiefs didn't have a Timeout remaining with the ball and 1:04 remaining on the clock. That's a lot of time when a FG ties it up. Good thing Hekker nailed the punt. Not sure Higbee gets a first if the pass was completed but, it would have made them use a timeout and take a few more seconds off the clock. I go with McVay but, could see playing it a little safer with the game situation.
You aren't kidding about Hekker. What a clutch punt with a really dangerous return man.
 

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How did he achieve that against Seattle earlier this year? Against Green Bay?

Running the ball with this team is not a give up play.

It is when they're stacking the box, your HB is playing hurt, and you have to gain 15 yards. You talk about our willingness to run out the clock against those teams. So why didn't McVay do that here? It's quite obvious that McVay isn't philosophically opposed to running the ball to kill the clock because he did it in other games. You're welcome to criticize McVay, but I think he made the right call, and his track record supports trusting his gut.
 

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Maybe after a Super Bowl win there will be a thread title like this one, too.

Maybe, just maybe McVay was setting the Chiefs up for the next time. When we're in that position at the end of the Super Bowl, the Chiefs or whomever won't be loading the box because they know McVay is not afraid to pass. We then run it 3 times, get a first down and win the Super Bowl. The man's a genius! This is what I've decided to believe...
 

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But reality is you have to force the Chiefs to burn all three of their time outs there, especially only needing a FG to tie it.

Zodi, I get both sides of the argument here, I really do.

The way I saw it was: at 1st and 15, it would be “probable” that 3 straight runs would result in KC getting the ball back (with zero timeouts) but enough time to score. McVay preferred to be aggressive because he didn’t like the odds of playing it conservatively.

Yeah, I hear your argument, but OTOH the Chiefs were selling out to stop the run. Personally, I liked McVay’s decision to go for the jugular there (even though it didn’t work out).

Lastly— McVay probably was influenced by Gurleys gimpy ankle in his decision.
 

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It is when they're stacking the box, your HB is playing hurt, and you have to gain 15 yards. You talk about our willingness to run out the clock against those teams. So why didn't McVay do that here? It's quite obvious that McVay isn't philosophically opposed to running the ball to kill the clock because he did it in other games. You're welcome to criticize McVay, but I think he made the right call, and his track record supports trusting his gut.

His track record is two seasons long. His track record also has games where he admitted himself he got pass happy. When you look at the situation objectively and with the numbers, they support running it and having the opposing team waste time outs.

Gurley might've been dinged up, but his longest rush came in the second half.

Like I said, I dont mind him being aggressive because hes Sean Mcvay and to credit your point, hes done more right than wrong-- by far. But I dont think the idea that we shouldve ran it there can be dismissed so easily as it has been in this thread.
 

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McVay presser today. He defended his decision making on this series, said the Chiefs were putting 11 men in the box, and that running in that situation would have had very little chance of success.

McVay does not need an intervention, he needs a raise
 

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He calls a great game for the most part and puts guys in positions to make plays. Guys clearly like playing for him and he’s clearly a pain in the ass to defensive coordinators....

but man, this thing with not giving Gurley the ball when we are trying to chew clock and ice the game is crazy. He’s done this a few times now, going back to last year, where he can give it to Gurley and run out the clock, but he chooses instead to throw the ball. I appreciate the aggressiveness but there is no need to make it harder than it needs to be. Gurley is a beast and guys get tired to tackling him late. He got lucky it didn’t cost him tonight.

I think Gurley was more hurt than they wanted to admit on Monday night - I know what you're saying but seeing as Gurley (for him) had limited playing time I think he was looking after his guy, we've already lost Kupp, I really don't want to see this O WITHOUT Gurley. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but what if Gurley was given the ball to pound away, hurts his ankle even more, then misses 4-6 weeks, or coughs up the ball and gives it to the opposition in the Red Zone...
 

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His track record is two seasons long. His track record also has games where he admitted himself he got pass happy. When you look at the situation objectively and with the numbers, they support running it and having the opposing team waste time outs.

Gurley might've been dinged up, but his longest rush came in the second half.

Like I said, I dont mind him being aggressive because hes Sean Mcvay and to credit your point, hes done more right than wrong-- by far. But I dont think the idea that we shouldve ran it there can be dismissed so easily as it has been in this thread.

When you look at the situation objectively, it supports trusting the offensive genius who is 10-1.
 

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When you look at the situation objectively, it supports trusting the offensive genius who is 10-1.

I'm happy to go with whatever McVay does tbh, I really think he knows what he's doing and why. We may not, but I'm sure he does!
 

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When you look at the situation objectively, it supports trusting the offensive genius who is 10-1.

The same offensive genius who has criticized his own eagerness to abandon the run several times before, right? Your statement is subjective by the very definition of the word.

I get it. The Rams win so us fans aren't allowed to criticize or question any aspect of the game. But here's a hypothetical scenario for you guys since this thread is filled with them: If that were Tom Brady or Drew Brees instead of Pat Mahomes, and you give him the ball back with over a minute to play and one time out, history says the odds are in his favor. And that's a legitimate concern going forward. If there is one area McVay could definitely improve, in my opinion, its situational football (no timeouts left about midway through the fourth so no challenges whatsoever) and clock management.
 
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