Matthew Stafford Tier 2 QB

[HE WITH HORNS]

It’s not cocky when you can do it, imo.

But he just has such a punchable face though.

 

[1maGoh]

Both are incredible, especially for their age.
It’s not cocky when you can do it, imo.

Sure it is. The definition of that word has nothing to do with capability and everything to do with how you act.

 

[Malibu]

Typical click bait to keep up his profile.

Totally disengenous he knows 5hat Stafford is a top tier top 5 QB.

You know how anyone can distinguish Stafford's level in the NFL - he was on a terrible team yet he still had amazing seasons. Think Rivers who was the same. In one year he learned a new offense, the team had a bunch of injuries yet he still managed to keep the team and specifically the Offense on track to win a Superbowl. He has the same connection with Kupp as he did with Megatron.

No disrespect what has Allen done - not trying to diss him but look what Stafford did in one year.

 

[AZRams]

Herbert? Pass. And I wouldn't want Burrow on my team. Talk about a me first player. Cocky little POS.

I'd take Herbert. Everything points to him being great for a long time. At least as much as that's possible through just two seasons as a starter...

 

[Kupped]

But he just has such a punchable face though.

Lol... I absolutely get that.
Honestly.. I felt like he was overhyped and full of himself coming out of LSU. But last year, even before the playoff run, I watched him some and read up on him more. He just came across well as a teammate, imo. And he's got mega-balls. I'd HATE him if he was on the 9ers.. but can enjoy him on the Bengals.
Taking the hits he took last year and coming back.. very, very impressive. He was sacked a post-season record number of times and never stopped coming.

 

[Kupped]

Sure it is. The definition of that word has nothing to do with capability and everything to do with how you act.

Okay.
I'm just gonna go with he's not cocky in a bad or irritating way. And backing up his cockiness with incredible, tough performances earns him leeway with me.

 

[Kupped]

I'd take Herbert. Everything points to him being great for a long time. At least as much as that's possible through just two seasons as a starter...

He's incredible.
I hope the Chargers curse stops him from winning anything.

 

[OldSchool]

I get the impression people didn’t check out his actual list. He has Stafford at number seven on his list. Not insulting in my mind seems about right it really just depends on the criteria he used to make his list.

 

[Kupped]

I get the impression people didn’t check out his actual list. He has Stafford at number seven on his list. Not insulting in my mind seems about right it really just depends on the criteria he used to make his list.

Yup.

And here's the thing.. no matter where anyone puts Stafford on their lists... we KNOW he's good enough to lead a team to a Super Bowl win.

That's really all that matters to me.

 

[Giles]

I'm not the biggest Stafford fan but he's 100% a tier 1 qb. If he didn't have turnover issues he'll be top 2.

 

[Kupped]

I'm not the biggest Stafford fan but he's 100% a tier 1 qb. If he didn't have turnover issues he'll be top 2.

I think the escapability of the young guys, plus Stafford's turnovers, makes the #7 ranking fair.

I also think the type of interceptions plays a role. Stafford is #4 all-time in pick-6s.. 8 ahead of the next active guy.

I've said elsewhere.. I think there's a good chance this season Brady falls below Stafford.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Was Brett Favre and all of his turnovers a tier 1 QB?

 

[Kupped]

Was Brett Favre and all of his turnovers a tier 1 QB?

It's an interesting question, to be honest.

Where would he land on your draft order for QBs, all time?

And how old of a Favre are we talking about?

If Stafford were 27 and with the Rams doing this, he'd probably be higher on the list, right?

Lots of subjective stuff on these lists.

 

[Rams43]

Let’s nitpick that ‘Top 6’ list a little bit…

Here it is.

“ The six quarterbacks that made it into tier one over Stafford were Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, and Joe Burrow”.

Aaron Rodgers. A terrific ‘stat oriented’ QB. You want stats, he’s your boy. Not a good teammate, played in a weak division every year, reluctant to take needed chances to win big games, Obama was still president when Rodgers won his only SB. Emphasis only…

Patrick Mahomes. I’ll give you this one although he seems to have slipped in recent playoff games. He imploded in the 4th quarter of that AFC Championship game vs Bengals, for example. Still elite though, imo.

Tom Brady. Elite career numbers although he also played in a very weak division with the Patriots. Had a HOF HC which didn’t hurt, either. I think he’s slipped recently. Rams have beaten him in 3 straight games, for example. That playoff game was 28-3 Rams at one point before the medley of Ram turnovers.

Josh Allen. A rising star and deserves to be in this conversation. Still needs a longer resume with playoff wins but might one day be the best of the lot.

Justin Herbert. Another rising star but where are the division wins? The playoff wins? The dramatic come-from-behind soul-grabbing wins? Needs to achieve some of those before joining this elite list.

Joe Burrow. Yet another rising star with a potentially elite ceiling. Love this kid, too, especially his attitude. But it’s too early yet to put him this high on this list, imo.


Then there’s our own Matthew Stafford.

Let’s see…

#1 overall pick that finally escaped Detroit and joined a very talented and well coached team.

Had to move and learn new teammates and O on the fly.

Helped Kupp have a record shattering year in his first year. Think that’s a coincidence?

Played hurt for much of year with that elbow but overcame it.

Enjoys the admiration and great respect of teammates and coaches alike (unlike one other on the above list, cough, cough)

If there was a better come-from-behind in crunch time QB last year then I sure missed it. Stafford had a Cinderella 2nd half of season all the way through the playoffs.

He won the damned SB in his 1st and only opportunity! Isn’t that what it’s all about? He’s now won as many SB’s as every other QB on that ‘elite list’, except Brady.

I think it’s a no brainer that the current Stafford should be ranked no lower than #3 and possibly #1 based on recent performances.

I’ll say this. I doubt that McVay would swap Stafford straight up with those other guys if he’s thinking 2022 or 2023 only.

 

[nighttrain]

I’ll say this. I doubt that McVay would swap Stafford straight up with those other guys if he’s thinking 2022 or 2023 only.

this ^
train

 

[AvengerRam]

Last year, Matthew Stafford went 4-0 with a 108.3 passer rating in the playoffs, including a game-winning 2 minute (actually, under 1 minute) drill and two come-from-behind wins.

Fuck the tier system.

 

[Mojo Ram]

It seems to me that all his critics want to talk about when it comes to 41 TD’s and 17 INT’s is the 17 picks. That’s why I brought up Favre.

If my QB is throwing 40+ TD’s I’ll take the turnovers, this is my primary reason for wanting Goff gone. Not enough TD’s to go with the turnovers.

 

[Kupped]

Let’s nitpick that ‘Top 6’ list a little bit…

Here it is.

“ The six quarterbacks that made it into tier one over Stafford were Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, and Joe Burrow”.

Aaron Rodgers. A terrific ‘stat oriented’ QB. You want stats, he’s your boy. Not a good teammate, played in a weak division every year, reluctant to take needed chances to win big games, Obama was still president when Rodgers won his only SB. Emphasis only…

Patrick Mahomes. I’ll give you this one although he seems to have slipped in recent playoff games. He imploded in the 4th quarter of that AFC Championship game vs Bengals, for example. Still elite though, imo.

Tom Brady. Elite career numbers although he also played in a very weak division with the Patriots. Had a HOF HC which didn’t hurt, either. I think he’s slipped recently. Rams have beaten him in 3 straight games, for example. That playoff game was 28-3 Rams at one point before the medley of Ram turnovers.

Josh Allen. A rising star and deserves to be in this conversation. Still needs a longer resume with playoff wins but might one day be the best of the lot.

Justin Herbert. Another rising star but where are the division wins? The playoff wins? The dramatic come-from-behind soul-grabbing wins? Needs to achieve some of those before joining this elite list.

Joe Burrow. Yet another rising star with a potentially elite ceiling. Love this kid, too, especially his attitude. But it’s too early yet to put him this high on this list, imo.


Then there’s our own Matthew Stafford.

Let’s see…

#1 overall pick that finally escaped Detroit and joined a very talented and well coached team.

Had to move and learn new teammates and O on the fly.

Helped Kupp have a record shattering year in his first year. Think that’s a coincidence?

Played hurt for much of year with that elbow but overcame it.

Enjoys the admiration and great respect of teammates and coaches alike (unlike one other on the above list, cough, cough)

If there was a better come-from-behind in crunch time QB last year then I sure missed it. Stafford had a Cinderella 2nd half of season all the way through the playoffs.

He won the damned SB in his 1st and only opportunity! Isn’t that what it’s all about? He’s now won as many SB’s as every other QB on that ‘elite list’, except Brady.

I think it’s a no brainer that the current Stafford should be ranked no lower than #3 and possibly #1 based on recent performances.

I’ll say this. I doubt that McVay would swap Stafford straight up with those other guys if he’s thinking 2022 or 2023 only.

Playing Devil’s advocate…
What happens with all that if Tartt holds onto the int?

Maybe it doesn’t matter.. there was plenty of time left.

But, objectively, that was a shit throw at a critical time.

Like I said.. plenty to be subjective about.

And the pick 6s.. not anomalies.. he leads active players by 8 and he’s done those with the Lions AND Rams.

I still love him.

 

[Kupped]

It seems to me that all his critics want to talk about when it comes to 41 TD’s and 17 INT’s is the 17 picks. That’s why I brought up Favre.

If my QB is throwing 40+ TD’s I’ll take the turnovers, this is my primary reason for wanting Goff gone. Not enough TD’s to go with the turnovers.

Thing is the guys ahead of him on that list ain’t Goff. They all take plenty of aggressive shots.

 

[Flint]

Seems like they made the list then tried to justify it.
Rodgers has all the stats and he looks good doing it but what have all the pretty numbers got him?
Brady is acknowledged to have slipped but led the league with what the writer calls an all star team.
Seems like they weren’t too high on Allen despite him being tier 1. He’s erratic at times but not as bad as previously.
Mahomes has great talent but isn’t as good reading and manipulating defenses as some of the others.
Stafford fell off later in the year and I guess that’s what kept him out of tier 1. And balling out in the playoffs, coming from behind 3 times, taking care of the ball and winning the freaking super bowl, none of which Rodgers has been able to do in a long time, doesn’t count for squat.
Burrow and his crappy oline got to the super bowl so maybe we are counting the playoffs.
Breer doesn’t have the guts to downgrade Rodgers cuz he keeps coming up small and if Brady were still Brady he never would’ve been down by 25 points to the rams.
This whole thing needs to be trashed and start over.