Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[NJRamsFan]

We all have opinions from our vantage. In this podcast you get actual real news based on real events and opinions from inside the Rams building.

I'm not telling you my opinion here. I said I was done.

You can refuse the best possible source we have if you choose, or you can be open to a different interpretation of the trade and listen. It was the best and most comprehensive discussion on the trade that you will find. One of them seemed to be against it and the other understood it. I'm hooked. Jordan is the most informed Rams reporter I've ever come across.

I’m not choosing to refuse anything I’m telling you if you have a point to make to me...make it. Don’t send me a resource and make no point. It’s literally useless

 

[OldSchool]

Its not just you at all. But many of the people that defended Goff to the death have channeled their recent frustration to McVay's decision. For anyone on this board to seriously question McVays football knowledge and/or talent evaluation is just ridiculous.

I would think by now people would be excited about Stafford.. excited about the Rams future..the future of this offense. But instead, the pro Goff crowd don't want to admit Goff wasn't the answer and want to blame McVay for all the offensive struggles. It's just tiring as hell and people need to move on already.

Just curious since I've moved on but did you question his decisions with Allen or Noteboom starting? His decision to make Saffold and Zeurlein cap casualties? His decision on Demby playing and not even being signed to a futured contract? He's far from infallible but he has a pretty good track record. As long as he's imperfect questions about his decisions are valid in spite of how angry those questions make you especially when I'm pretty sure you've questioned him before as well. Oh maybe one of the biggest questions I know you had about him can be explained with one word.

Bonamego.

 

[OldSchool]

Goff is 0-7 without McVay so time will tell.

Shocking a QB had a bad record for the Fisher Rams. Also it's a team game isn't it? QB wins are not a stat?

 

[NJRamsFan]

Just curious since I've moved on but did you question his decisions with Allen or Noteboom starting? His decision to make Saffold and Zeurlein cap casualties? His decision on Demby playing and not even being signed to a futured contract? He's far from infallible but he has a pretty good track record. As long as he's imperfect questions about his decisions are valid in spite of how angry those questions make you especially when I'm pretty sure you've questioned him before as well. Oh maybe one of the biggest questions I know you had about him can be explained with one word.

Bonamego.

Don’t distract him ....little buddy is mine ....

 

[OC_Ram]

Peanuts! Popcorn! Hotdogs!

 

[OldSchool]

Peanuts! Popcorn! Hotdogs!

Beer

 

[Barrison]

Shocking a QB had a bad record for the Fisher Rams. Also it's a team game isn't it? QB wins are not a stat?

Never said that. Whether you like it or not it is a fact and it was in reply to Lions fans thinking we got screwed. Did he not lose every game he started his rookie season? It is a team game, but without a coach helping him with reading the defense at the line, he struggles. Just like in the super bowl, when Belichick had the defense change formation after the clock went down to 15 seconds. Like I said, time will tell just how much effect McVay had on Jared Goff's success.

 

[OldSchool]

Never said that. Whether you like it or not it is a fact and it was in reply to Lions fans thinking we got screwed. Did he not lose every game he started his rookie season? It is a team game, but without a coach helping him with reading the defense at the line, he struggles. Just like in the super bowl, when Belichick had the defense change formation after the clock went down to 15 seconds. Like I said, time will tell just how much effect McVay had on Jared Goff's success.

Oh I get it.

Lions fans got screwed cause Jared was O-7 under Fisher.
Jared was over rated in his record for McVay because QB wins aren't a stat.
Stafford is under rated because Lions were bad.
Goff won playoff games but QB wins in playoffs aren't a stat either
Stafford can't win playoff games but QB wins aren't a stat.

I'm honestly confused which way the tide has turned on QB stats I guess it just depends on if we're condemning or praising a QB that we want to if it's a stat or not. And this could be a trade that both teams win on they do happen. We won't know for years. Initial reactions will happen then usually get walked back to a wait and see approach it happens with everybody on occasions.

 

[Barrison]

Oh I get it.

Lions fans got screwed cause Jared was O-7 under Fisher.
Jared was over rated in his record for McVay because QB wins aren't a stat.
Stafford is under rated because Lions were bad.
Goff won playoff games but QB wins in playoffs aren't a stat either
Stafford can't win playoff games but QB wins aren't a stat.

I'm honestly confused which way the tide has turned on QB stats I guess it just depends on if we're condemning or praising a QB that we want to if it's a stat or not. And this could be a trade that both teams win on they do happen. We won't know for years. Initial reactions will happen then usually get walked back to a wait and see approach it happens with everybody on occasions.

Yep pretty much. A bunch of different ways you can look at it. I just don't know if Goff will have success like he was having with McVay, with Campbell. On the flip side, I see Stafford having way more success with McVay than any of his previous coaches. Cannot wait to watch this season unfold.

 

[NJRamsFan]

@Tron i <3 you

 

[jrry32]

Never said that. Whether you like it or not it is a fact and it was in reply to Lions fans thinking we got screwed. Did he not lose every game he started his rookie season? It is a team game, but without a coach helping him with reading the defense at the line, he struggles. Just like in the super bowl, when Belichick had the defense change formation after the clock went down to 15 seconds. Like I said, time will tell just how much effect McVay had on Jared Goff's success.

How would anybody know that? Damn near every rookie QB struggles reading defenses. And it's not like anybody knows when Goff did and didn't have help reading defenses otherwise under McVay.

Also, Belichick's brilliant strategy wasn't to change the defense after 15 seconds. If it was that simple, we could have just run hurry up and snapped the ball before the play clock got to 15 seconds. His brilliant strategy was to crowd the LOS with bodies who could rush or drop into coverage to confuse our protections and put Goff in a situation where he was unable to tell who would rush or drop until after the snap. Unsurprisingly, that threw off our offensive rhythm and timing because Goff had to take an extra moment to figure out who was in coverage.

The thing is that defensive strategy was so brilliant that Belichick then used it to absolutely decimate NFL offenses for the entire first half of the 2019 season. Nobody had an answer for it until the Ravens in Week 9. In the first eight games of 2019, no team scored more than 14 points on New England's defense, and New England held five of eight opponents to 10 or less points. The Patriots finished the 2019 season with the #1 defense. It took the entire NFL half a season to figure out the defense Belichick used against us, and plenty of teams still struggled with it over the second half of the year.

 

[Barrison]

How would anybody know that? Damn near every rookie QB struggles reading defenses. And it's not like anybody knows when Goff did and didn't have help reading defenses otherwise under McVay.

Also, Belichick's brilliant strategy wasn't to change the defense after 15 seconds. If it was that simple, we could have just run hurry up and snapped the ball before the play clock got to 15 seconds. His brilliant strategy was to crowd the LOS with bodies who could rush or drop into coverage to confuse our protections and put Goff in a situation where he was unable to tell who would rush or drop until after the snap. Unsurprisingly, that threw off our offensive rhythm and timing because Goff had to take an extra moment to figure out who was in coverage.

The thing is that defensive strategy was so brilliant that Belichick then used it to absolutely decimate NFL offenses for the entire first half of the 2019 season. Nobody had an answer for it until the Ravens in Week 9. In the first eight games of 2019, no team scored more than 14 points on New England's defense, and New England held five of eight opponents to 10 or less points. The Patriots finished the 2019 season with the #1 defense. It took the entire NFL half a season to figure out the defense Belichick used against us, and plenty of teams still struggled with it over the second half of the year.

Well, it is just my opinion but I think it is part of the reason McVay was wanting to part ways with Goff. Like you said there's no way anyone will definitively know but this season will give us a pretty good idea.

 

[jrry32]

Well, it is just my opinion but I think it is part of the reason McVay was wanting to part ways with Goff. Like you said there's no way anyone will definitively know but this season will give us a pretty good idea.

I would bet McVay is going to give input to Stafford too using the QB mic. Why wouldn't you use that advantage?

 

[FarNorth]

I believe Stafford would do just fine with what we got at the moment. He could work with it. This team will get a better perspective now.

See below: Jourdain at the Athletic believes that, even with Stafford, "the Rams also will need to re-tool in other areas to revive a stuttering, inconsistent offense." That neatly summarizes my view in part. The other part is that I also believe that McVay needs to significantly retool his offensive system to make use of Stafford's strengths.

We all have opinions from our vantage. In this podcast you get actual real news based on real events and opinions from inside the Rams building.

I'm not telling you my opinion here. I said I was done.

You can refuse the best possible source we have if you choose, or you can be open to a different interpretation of the trade and listen. It was the best and most comprehensive discussion on the trade that you will find. One of them seemed to be against it and the other understood it. I'm hooked. Jordan is the most informed Rams reporter I've ever come across.

Here's a couple of sentences from Jourdain in the Athletic today about the Rams' personnel needs and choices:

"By trading for Stafford, the Rams made it clear that they are going all-in on their “window” to win a Super Bowl, which aligns with the contract years of core players such as three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald. But Stafford shouldn’t be looked at as the lone missing piece here, because the Rams also will need to re-tool in other areas to revive a stuttering, inconsistent offense and to prevent regression from their No. 1 ranked defense.

It’s a thin wire to walk, considering the Rams’ assets, but they’ll walk it all spring and summer."

A look at the Rams' internal free agents and roster needs

Will the Rams be able to bring back Leonard Floyd, John Johnson, Troy Hill and others?

theathletic.com

The article notes that JJ is gone and keeping Floyd may not happen-- they will have big markets and Staley could sign them both for the Chargers. Bringing Blythe back will be attractive to the Rams as a matter of cost because Blythe is "undersized." Also McVay is looking for speed at receiver, not necessarily a pure deep threat, but in a more flexible type such as Hill or Debo Samuels. But Jourdain also points out that the Rams established a high market for receivers with the deals for Woods and Kupp.

Basically, the theme is that, while not in"cap hell," the Rams are facing some challenges and tough choices.

 

[Barrison]

I would bet McVay is going to give input to Stafford too using the QB mic. Why wouldn't you use that advantage?

And I agree with that. When did I say he wouldn't use that advantage? He won't be as involved in helping Stafford as he was with Goff though. Stafford is head and shoulders above Goff when it comes to the mental side of playing QB, which is imo why we pulled the trigger to get him.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I’m not choosing to refuse anything I’m telling you if you have a point to make to me...make it. Don’t send me a resource and make no point. It’s literally useless

Sorry. I thought you'd appreciate the Link. I have basically been parroting that podcast before and especially dialog after listening to it. I've written it on this thread several times. I got enough pushback from that anti trade crowd that I said I was out. Too many people wanted this to be a vent thread. So there it is, take it or leave it.

 

[Mackeyser]

I think we need to pump the brakes on some of the WRs we are throwing around... unless they take big time cuts, we not getting Godwin, ARob or Golladay.

Sho u right.

That said... it's February... And it would totally be a Snead thing to do another blockbuster trade... one that would set the forums on fire and dominate the football media for a couple of days...

We need a Center, ILB and Edge.

Instead, we'll probably promote all of those from within, trade players, base restructure a bunch of others and make some crazy signings....

If I had my druthers... I'd rank the fantasy WRs to add as

1) Allen Robinson. Maybe the best hands catcher in the entire league.
2) Chris Godwin. Best of the three after the catch. Big body. Ludicrous speed.
3) Kenny Golladay. Nice combo of the above.

Need and want are two different things...

We don't need any of them... but want? Yeah... honestly I don't like talking about trading Kupp. I really do not. However, if that led to the acquisition of any of those three...especially Allen Robinson or Chris Godwin? Wow.

 

[Mackeyser]

McVays decision to trade him should be the only answer you need. Its so ridiculous to me how many people around here want to disagree with McVay like they understand football better than him. Or they can evaluate talent more than him. All because they defended Goff to the death and dont want to deal with reality. Its fucking comical.

Goff is gone people need to get the fuck over it. We're rolling forward with Stafford. Time to get excited about next season. When majority of the NFL and our head coach says stafford is better for our team, that means something.

I dunno man. Personally, I'm fine with folks processing this. It's only been like a week and a half.

I do chafe at the passive aggressive stuff that seems to be setting up shop for the long haul (cuz F that noise), but for folks who may get on board, but are struggling right now while it's still fresh?

Let's give folks time.

By the start of the regular season, hopefully everyone's waving the same flag.

 

[OldSchool]

I dunno man. Personally, I'm fine with folks processing this. It's only been like a week and a half.

I do chafe at the passive aggressive stuff that seems to be setting up shop for the long haul (cuz F that noise), but for folks who may get on board, but are struggling right now while it's still fresh?

Let's give folks time.

By the start of the regular season, hopefully everyone's waving the same flag.

The more people attack those that have different opinions and the more threads that pop up questioning Goff and pimping everybody else the longer this goes on. There are people on both sides of the discussion that just won't let other people express their opinions so it is what it is I guess.

 

[Mackeyser]

The more people attack those that have different opinions and the more threads that pop up questioning Goff and pimping everybody else the longer this goes on. There are people on both sides of the discussion that just won't let other people express their opinions so it is what it is I guess.

I can only speak for myself.

I'm fine with the discussion. It's why I'm here.

And I understand this from the other side as prior to the 2016 season after we drafted Goff, I went in AT LENGTH why structurally our offense was broken and incapable of success even with a prime Brady or Rodgers. Honestly, anyone holding Goff or any of our QBs responsible for any loss during 2016 was missing the point. The would have had more success running every play from the I formation.

But eventually, folks got tired of hearing it and I couldn't blame them. So I took a sabbatical because it just didn't work to come onto a Ram forum where folks were trying to be positive about the upcoming season and just hammering my point home. I'm glad I was right only insofar as Fisher got fired and we got McVay, but not glad that we lost all those games. It just didn't work to repeat myself ad nauseum. It didn't help anyone, including me, and it was disruptive to the overall fun of the board. At some point, it's time to stop.

There are always discussions. It's why we come here in the off-season and mid-week during the season.

Point is that at some point the horse is dead, the point has been made and it's time to move on. I'm not saying everyone needs to move on. Far from it. But for folks who've been making their point vociferously for 10 days straight? For those folks... yeah, we get it. One more whack at the dead horse carcass isn't gonna make anything better or add to the conversation in any way.