Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Merlin]

I thought Wentzers were extinct.

 

[FrantikRam]

Yes, that is what I said. We did mortgage the future. And I explained why I was okay with it the first two times. I've also never advocated for determining the value of those trades based on the best players we could have hypothetically picked. That's simply not realistic.

P.S. The original Goff trade was a mistake in hindsight. If you support the Stafford trade, I don't see how you can argue it wasn't a mistake. We just shipped out our #1 overall QB before he even hit his prime window.

I wouldn't say it was a mistake. I think moving on was the right move, but he was still part of the team that made the Super Bowl. Since Goff entered the league the only franchises to play in a Super Bowl are the Falcons, Eagles, Rams, Niners, Bucs, Patriots and Chiefs - we may not have won it, but considering we we hadn't made the playoffs in 12 years before that trade, achieving what we have makes it hard to view any move for a key contributor as a failure.

 

[jrry32]

I wouldn't say it was a mistake. I think moving on was the right move, but he was still part of the team that made the Super Bowl. Since Goff entered the league the only franchises to play in a Super Bowl are the Falcons, Eagles, Rams, Niners, Bucs, Patriots and Chiefs - we may not have won it, but considering we we hadn't made the playoffs in 12 years before that trade, achieving what we have makes it hard to view any move for a key contributor as a failure.

Yet, as you pointed out, had we not made the deal, McVay might have been able to draft Mahomes or Watson the next year.

 

[Karate61]

1st round picks; 1st round picks. A ton of complaints here in the neighborhood about losing 1st round pics.

Well guess what...1st round pics suck!

Supposedly the Rams "mortgaged" the future giving away 2-1st round pics.

Here's how I view it, relying on 2 future 1st round pics, and passing on a superstar QB...that's mortgaging the future.

For those of you in total shock right now, read this and weep:

 

[jap]

If they win a Super Bowl, they won the trade, and I don't see how any of us will be able to be unhappy.

Believe me!, there are posters here who definitely will find a way to be unhappy if we start a SB winning dynasty!!!

 

[FrantikRam]

Yet, as you pointed out, had we not made the deal, McVay might have been able to draft Mahomes or Watson the next year.

As you pointed out and I stated in one of my previous posts, it's not good to view potential draft picks in that way. There's almost always a better move a team could have made.

We could have possibly gotten Mahomes which would have been better - but armed with the information we had at the time, deemed trading up for Goff was the best move.

Fast forward three years, didn't win a Super Bowl: we could have possibly gotten (insert new top QB here) with a draft pick we traded for Stafford - but armed with the information we had at the time, deemed trading for Stafford was the right move.

Obviously if you don't think Stafford is an upgrade over Goff you're not going to agree with the trade though - that is not a point that I want to keep debating.

But in both cases for me, the trades will be a win if we're better (Goff trade already a win) and a fail if we're worse - previously I said the offense just needed to be better, but I agree that the loss of future picks does require the team to be better overall, with some caveats for what that means to me, but don't want to get into it here.

 

[FrantikRam]

Believe me!, there are posters here who definitely will find a way to be unhappy if we start a SB winning dynasty!!!

Absolutely. There are people who threatened to stop being fans over this move when our current regime has been one of the best in the NFL over the past four years.

 

[FrantikRam]

1st round picks; 1st round picks. A ton of complaints here in the neighborhood about losing 1st round pics.

Well guess what...1st round pics suck!

Supposedly the Rams "mortgaged" the future giving away 2-1st round pics.

Here's how I view it, relying on 2 future 1st round pics, and passing on a superstar QB...that's mortgaging the future.

For those of you in total shock right now, read this and weep:

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It's why I couldn't care less about the first round picks.

I think most people who are opposed to it just think Goff/Stafford are close to the same level, which represents how far apart this forum was on Goff all year.

 

[Shuie3225]

I think most people who are opposed to it just think Goff/Stafford are close to the same level, which represents how far apart this forum was on Goff all year.

These are the same people screaming that he was an elite QB. Then they switched their tune and said hes a very good QB once they realized he was obviously not elite. And after 3 years of leading the NFL in turnovers they still want to defend his garbage ass. Some of the worst, most braindead turnovers I have ever seen the last 2 seasons. Just inexcusable. The guy was making $35M and making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Still cant read a defense after 5 seasons in the NFL and this is the guy you want leading your franchise?? The guy who slides a yard before the first down maker in a huge game? Fuck outa here. The fact people are making a case his talent level is close to Stafford, really shows the lack of football knowledge on this forum. As if the film doesn't show you all you need to see. Or the opinion of McVay. Or the opinion of the other 32 teams in the NFL who all know Stafford is way better. But people around here still think they're right LMAO. Most delusional group of fans I've ever seen are the Goff apologists. Its fucking nuts.

 

[Tano]

These are the same people screaming that he was an elite QB. Then they switched their tune and said hes a very good QB once they realized he was obviously not elite. And after 3 years of leading the NFL in turnovers they still want to defend his garbage ass. Some of the worst, most braindead turnovers I have ever seen the last 2 seasons. Just inexcusable. The guy was making $35M and making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Still cant read a defense after 5 seasons in the NFL and this is the guy you want leading your franchise?? The guy who slides a yard before the first down maker in a huge game? Fuck outa here. The fact people are making a case his talent level is close to Stafford, really shows the lack of football knowledge on this forum. As if the film doesn't show you all you need to see. Or the opinion of McVay. Or the opinion of the other 32 teams in the NFL who all know Stafford is way better. But people around here still think they're right LMAO. Most delusional group of fans I've ever seen are the Goff apologists. Its fucking nuts.

Oh bull crap

I think there might have been 1 to 2 people in this forum who considered Goff elite.

I never considered Goff elite

I considered him a very good to excellent QB in 2017 & 2018 and an above average QB in 2019 and 2020. And I have stated many times that if we had a very good center that Goff would have been a very good to excellent QB in those years too.

Disagree with me all you want but that's my stance.

 

[FrantikRam]

These are the same people screaming that he was an elite QB. Then they switched their tune and said hes a very good QB once they realized he was obviously not elite. And after 3 years of leading the NFL in turnovers they still want to defend his garbage ass. Some of the worst, most braindead turnovers I have ever seen the last 2 seasons. Just inexcusable. The guy was making $35M and making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Still cant read a defense after 5 seasons in the NFL and this is the guy you want leading your franchise?? The guy who slides a yard before the first down maker in a huge game? Fuck outa here. The fact people are making a case his talent level is close to Stafford, really shows the lack of football knowledge on this forum. As if the film doesn't show you all you need to see. Or the opinion of McVay. Or the opinion of the other 32 teams in the NFL who all know Stafford is way better. But people around here still think they're right LMAO. Most delusional group of fans I've ever seen are the Goff apologists. Its fucking nuts.

I agree with some of your points but this is a tad harsh.

This forum was founded in part because of extremely divisive opinions regarding a former Rams QB. At the time, many of us were on that site. Most of the long time posters here actually.

So the foundation of this forum was "support your team and your QB", and that permeated through, and IMO went too far. It's still a great forum, but as I've pointed out before, on the Seahawks most popular forum their posters are harder on Russell Wilson than we were as a group on Jared Goff. Much harder. He's likely a first ballot hall of famer.

You have some people, like yourself - no offense - who take it too far. Even now while I'm posting this, someone is undoubtedly quoting your post and pointing out that "still can't read a defense" isn't accurate and "garbage" is just not true. And if I'm being honest here, posts like this ultimately hurt someone like me or @Merlin who calmly, with no hate or dislike, believe it was time to move on.

Thankfully it does seem like most of the forum has come around. One of the good points you made was the severity of the turnovers - we can look at Goff's stats and compare to Stafford's or Peyton Manning or anyone else - but watching the inexcusable turnovers was the most painful part over the last two years. It's beyond rational debate that Goff was below average last year, and if McVay wanted to move on, the logical conclusion is that there's more to the story that we don't know. Of course, as human beings, if you wanted to move on from Goff, then the unknown was Goff's fault, and if you wanted Goff to remain the QB, then the unknown was McVay's fault.

At the end of the day, posts like this just aren't going to help people get on board - they're going to, if anything, encourage fans to jump ship.

 

[So Ram]

These are the same people screaming that he was an elite QB. Then they switched their tune and said hes a very good QB once they realized he was obviously not elite. And after 3 years of leading the NFL in turnovers they still want to defend his garbage ass. Some of the worst, most braindead turnovers I have ever seen the last 2 seasons. Just inexcusable. The guy was making $35M and making the same mistakes he did as a rookie. Still cant read a defense after 5 seasons in the NFL and this is the guy you want leading your franchise?? The guy who slides a yard before the first down maker in a huge game? Fuck outa here. The fact people are making a case his talent level is close to Stafford, really shows the lack of football knowledge on this forum. As if the film doesn't show you all you need to see. Or the opinion of McVay. Or the opinion of the other 32 teams in the NFL who all know Stafford is way better. But people around here still think they're right LMAO. Most delusional group of fans I've ever seen are the Goff apologists. Its fucking nuts.

The Rams beat The Seahags in the Playoffs with a broken thumb.Jared Goff has regressed for sure,but he excels in a hurry up offense.
Stafford has never won a Playoff game & The Rams gave up 2 1st.rd picks.So it could be debatable that The Rams gave up to much.

—The Rams got lucky to Jared Goff off the pay roll & Mattew Stafford could be coming into his Prime.Tom Brady says it best when he said the game finally slowed down for him.I believe Stafford can get to an elite QB level.

That’s my opinion,but no need for such words.Your stance is heard.We have today,but the day is not guaranteed. Live goes on & history will be told.

 

[btfd16]

1st round picks; 1st round picks. A ton of complaints here in the neighborhood about losing 1st round pics.

Well guess what...1st round pics suck!

Supposedly the Rams "mortgaged" the future giving away 2-1st round pics.

Here's how I view it, relying on 2 future 1st round pics, and passing on a superstar QB...that's mortgaging the future.

For those of you in total shock right now, read this and weep:

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Yeah but first round picks could be anything! They could even be Matt Stafford!

 

[RamDino]

Some of these posts remind me of the old Miller Lite commercials... LESS FILLING! TASTES GREAT! The only difference was that those were funny.

Goff is gone... enter Stafford. There is no way ANYONE can conclude, now or next year even, whether or not it was a good trade. There are way too many variables to consider, such as injuries, draft picks, contracts, etc. The point is that you just can't offer concrete evidence because no one knows what will happen in the future. Snead and McVay decided to make a change. Period. End of story. The only guarantee is that Snead and McVay better hope the Rams don't suck next year, for whatever reason, or they both might be out of jobs.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Goff limited the offense. We could see it. McVay knew it. McVay didn’t like it and was frustrated by Goff’s lack of progress which was more of a regression.

McVay thinks he has a SuperBowl roster, so he made the hard decision. I don’t this was a whimsical decision. He gave it a good go and decided it was time to move on. Unless anyone here knows more about what McVay wants from his offense or what he thinks he wants from his QB, then that’s an incredible feat and they should be using it for more than readings football coaches mind.

 

[Karate61]

Yeah but first round picks could be anything! They could even be Matt Stafford!

Right. In this current deal, Matt Stafford was 2 1st round pics and Goff, and I'm so okay with that!

 

[Karate61]

The guy who slides a yard before the first down maker in a huge game? Fuck outa here.

I have been a big Goff fan (see my avitar).

The day he slid short of that first down, was the day I gave up on Goff! Just awful!

 

[Allen2McVay]

Figure this is as good a spot to post this and vent a little.

I have never been a big-PFF guy.

Watching NFL Now on the NFL Network just a few minutes ago, and its guest was George Chahrouri who works at PFF and has the title of Data Scientist.

George, who looks to be in his late-20s or early-30s was evaluating the QBs who have recently changed teams, including Matthew Stafford.

On Stafford, PFF’s Data Scientist stated that Matthew Stafford had never cracked PFF’s top-QBs despite having some ‘great supporting casts’; and then added that Stafford had ‘a great supporting cast this past season’

That did not sound right to me ... but I am not a Data Scientist ... so I did some quick research.

The Lions rush offense ranked 30th in the NFL this past season. 30th!

Apparently, when PFF considers whether a Quarterback has a ‘great supporting cast’ the running game is NOT factored in.

 

[Tano]

Figure this is as good a spot to post this and vent a little.

I have never been a big-PFF guy.

Watching NFL Now on the NFL Network just a few minutes ago, and its guest was George Chahrouri who works at PFF and has the title of Data Scientist.

George, who looks to be in his late-20s or early-30s was evaluating the QBs who have recently changed teams, including Matthew Stafford.

On Stafford, PFF’s Data Scientist stated that Matthew Stafford had never cracked PFF’s top-QBs despite having some ‘great supporting casts’; and then added that Stafford had ‘a great supporting cast this past season’

That did not sound right to me ... but I am not a Data Scientist ... so I did some quick research.

The Lions rush offense ranked 30th in the NFL this past season. 30th!

Apparently, when PFF considers whether a Quarterback has a ‘great supporting cast’ the running game is NOT factored in.

The Lions actually had a decent running game but only in the first half of games.

By the second half, the Lions were so far behind that they mostly went all passes in the second half.

And his receivers and o-line were very good for the most part until again in the second half when teams just started bull rushing Stafford when they got behind.

 

[Allen2McVay]

The Lions actually had a decent running game but only in the first half of games.

By the second half, the Lions were so far behind that they mostly went all passes in the second half.

And his receivers and o-line were very good for the most part until again in the second half when teams just started bull rushing Stafford when they got behind.

Maybe you’re right but the Lions were 27th (tied) in yards-per-carry.