Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[payote75]

Ok dude now you're putting word in my mouth because you have zero argument. I never said I "hate Stafford" and you wont find a post of me saying that. You obviously have never watch any lions games except for maybe and handful while I have watched at least 70% of the snaps Stafford has taken (mainly because I loved watching megatron play) so miss me with the "you hate him" bs. That couldn't be further from the truth. You also wont find a post blaming Stafford 100% for the lions being terrible. Unlike you Goff haters I'm fair in my criticisms or try my best to be which cant be said for the goff haters. So again dont put words in my mouth. Thank you kindly.

Apparently I don't have zero argument cause most diehards seem to have accepted the trade love it or hate it support it but you keep harping on all negatives about Stafford and the trade in turn that makes people into rams fan as a whole go into defense mode as a whole team fan not just one player and then try to justify it at the cost of Goff and that truly unfortunate because I know I don't want to do that but you make it so I have to defend the team and keep my faith there by picking on Goff but it's simply time to move forward.
I'm not putting any words anywhere it's evident in every post Stafford is a loser he has accomplished basically nothing Goff is a winner he is the one who carried mcvay. Yet you still won't comment on any of the Goff should lead the lions to the playoffs and win a few rounds since he has all these wins under his belt forget that he is in Detroit.

 

[payote75]

I agree with you in that game. But I'm mainly talking about the dallas game which he should've won even with the terrible pi no call. That team was really good.

Of course you are that's very big of you because it fits your bogus narrative. Let's not discuss that shhhhhh please let's focus on Dallas which again wasn't his fault.

 

[jrry32]

I had completely forgotten that Thomas Brown (our HB Coach) and Matt Stafford were teammates at Georgia. That's interesting.

 

[Giles]

Of course you are that's very big of you because it fits your bogus narrative. Let's not discuss that shhhhhh please let's focus on Dallas which again wasn't his fault.

Lol ok Stafford had nothing to do with scoring only 6 pts in 3qtrs and also holds no responsibility for fumbling on what would've been a game winning drive. But let's ignore Stafford amazing supporting cast that year that he never had according to most ppl lol. Keep reaching my man.

 

[Giles]

Apparently I don't have zero argument cause most diehards seem to have accepted the trade love it or hate it support it but you keep harping on all negatives about Stafford and the trade in turn that makes people into rams fan as a whole go into defense mode as a whole team fan not just one player and then try to justify it at the cost of Goff and that truly unfortunate because I know I don't want to do that but you make it so I have to defend the team and keep my faith there by picking on Goff but it's simply time to move forward.
I'm not putting any words anywhere it's evident in every post Stafford is a loser he has accomplished basically nothing Goff is a winner he is the one who carried mcvay. Yet you still won't comment on any of the Goff should lead the lions to the playoffs and win a few rounds since he has all these wins under his belt forget that he is in Detroit.

This whole thread is about the stafford/goff trade and why posters like or dislike it. Sorry if my reasons (which are fair imo) of not liking the trade bother you so much. You can block me if it bothers you that much. Idc either way. But what I do care about is you putting words I never said in my mouth. That's bs and shows you have nothing. I thought you were better than that. Clearly I was wrong. I hope I'm wrong about the trade but Stafford history doesn't make me confident in that.

 

[Giles]

I had completely forgotten that Thomas Brown (our HB Coach) and Matt Stafford were teammates at Georgia. That's interesting.

That's a fun fact that I didn't even realize.

 

[jrry32]

By the same token, that's what I expect from Stafford. Better QB play. I have confidence in the rest of the team, but I'm not going to call it a failed trade if the QB and offense are top 5 but somehow the defense ends up ranked 30th and we lose 8 games.

And I apologize for breaking up this post into multiple different responses. This should be the final one. I feel it is a point worth clarifying. To me, we can separate Matt Stafford's performance from the reasons behind this trade. If Stafford has a great year and we finish 8-8 because of the defense, it's not his fault. He wasn't a bad QB. And it's very possible Goff would have led us to a worse record.

Here's why I still think the trade is a loser in that scenario. If Goff had led us to a worse record, we would have had a good first round pick. And I know some of you think going after a QB in the Draft is a bad bet. But that's the way I would have gone. I think very highly of McVay's abilities, and I see some of these kids in college who would be so much fun to watch in his offense. So yes, I think we need to win a Super Bowl in the next few years with Stafford for this trade to be a success. Otherwise, I think going the Andy Reid route would have been better.

 

[FarNorth]

You basically restated what I said about comparing Stafford and Goff moving forward.

But you're dead wrong about needing to win a Super Bowl for this trade to be a success. A QB doesn't play defense or special teams - they don't control the outcome of games. If the offense is worse than 2020, it failed. If it's better, the trade was a success.

If you want to get technical about the 2018 comparison, the we can say:

If Akers has 20 TDs and the OL is a top 5 unit and if the defense plays elite in the playoffs and we don't win the Super Bowl, then yes the trade will have been a failure. But if Stafford doesn't have similar conditions then the two can't really be judged.

Stafford is 33, with multiple injuries just last year, and under contract for a whopping two years. We gave up our starting qb who has a far better record, won a playoff game this year, and was under contract for multiple years. We also gave up two first round picks and a third.

That's a win now deal. Given what we gave up, and that we made it into the NFC semi-finals with Goff, there's nothing remotely unfair about holding Stafford and the team to higher expectations.

 

[Giles]

And I apologize for breaking up this post into multiple different responses. This should be the final one. I feel it is a point worth clarifying. To me, we can separate Matt Stafford's performance from the reasons behind this trade. If Stafford has a great year and we finish 8-8 because of the defense, it's not his fault. He wasn't a bad QB. And it's very possible Goff would have led us to a worse record.

Here's why I still think the trade is a loser in that scenario. If Goff had led us to a worse record, we would have had a good first round pick. And I know some of you think going after a QB in the Draft is a bad bet. But that's the way I would have gone. I think very highly of McVay's abilities, and I see some of these kids in college who would be so much fun to watch in his offense. So yes, I think we need to win a Super Bowl in the next few years with Stafford for this trade to be a success. Otherwise, I think going the Andy Reid route would have been better.

My only question is do you think mcvay can develop a young quarterback even if he hand picks them? Does he have the patience for that? After the goff trade and last 2 seasons i have my doubts.

 

[FarNorth]

Yep.

Rams make Super Bowl in 2018: "Goff is elite!"

Goff struggles in 2019/2020: "Goff's supporting cast isn't good enough"

Goff traded for Stafford: "Rams better win the Super Bowl or this trade was a failure"

Let's analyze this. If you keep touting that Goff "took the Rams to the Super Bowl" but in the same breath say his supporting cast isn't currently good enough, then you are a hypocrite for declaring that Stafford should come in and the Rams should win the Super Bowl.

Regarding the two first round picks - because, that's why some people are saying we should win the Super Bowl or it was a failed trade - did you say the same thing when we gave up two firsts for Ramsey? I can't recall a single person saying "boy now that we have up two firsts for Ramsey, if we don't win the Super Bowl this was a failed trade"

The team is always important, and especially for a QB whose success really depends on the players around him.

Goff had two great years with an outstanding offense. When we lost key personnel (Sullivan, Saffold, Cooks, Gurley) the offense was much more ordinary and so was Goff. The fact that teams had learned to defense McVay's offense also mattered a lot imo. Injuries always matter a lot too.

So far as supporting casts go, Stafford has a career record of 74-90 with three playoff losses in 12 years. Never led his team anywhere. The last three years his team had double digit losses.

But I'm prepared to believe that it wasn't his fault and that he could be a lot better in a good offense, provided we give him one.

 

[Karate61]

I was a Goff supporter all the way up until the Miami game this last season. Look at my avitar!

After Miami the concerns grew. Then, watching Goff slide one yard short of the 1st down, that he could have easily got, was infuriating!

Goff has been a turnover machine.

Goff is not the guy, that's why he's gone, and deservingly so!

Stafford is going to kill it...big time with McVay, instead of that bearded lady Patricia loser coach!

 

[payote75]

Lol ok Stafford had nothing to do with scoring only 6 pts in 3qtrs and also holds no responsibility for fumbling on what would've been a game winning drive. But let's ignore Stafford amazing supporting cast that year that he never had according to most ppl lol. Keep reaching my man.

Nice deflection it's not me that's reaching. Let's put up a poll and let's see who is reaching.

And again why won't you commit to Goff getting some playoff wins for the lions this year???? Is it because they are rebuilding again??? Or not a stable organisation???? Hmmm I guess dreaming is better than reaching. Like mcvay it's put up or shut up for Goff he can throw for 6000 yards this year won't matter he must make the playoffs ay great and win!!!

Oh and it's convenient how a you leave out the fact that on a team with not a lot of talent since he was drafted and 3-4 rebuilds and not many wins he still some how leads the league in comeback wins not just come back and lose but wins so out of those limited wins how many did Stafford just put the crap teams on his back and win?

Lastly give Goff Stafford's numbers from the Dallas games since we like to bend to fit a narrative and again we win the Superbowl with Staffords shitty numbers against Dallas.

 

[Giles]

Nice deflection it's not me that's reaching. Let's put up a poll and let's see who is reaching.

And again why won't you commit to Goff getting some playoff wins for the lions this year???? Is it because they are rebuilding again??? Or not a stable organisation???? Hmmm I guess dreaming is better than reaching. Like mcvay it's put up or shut up for Goff he can throw for 6000 yards this year won't matter he must make the playoffs ay great and win!!!

Oh and it's convenient how a you leave out the fact that on a team with not a lot of talent since he was drafted and 3-4 rebuilds and not many wins he still some how leads the league in comeback wins not just come back and lose but wins so out of those limited wins how many did Stafford just put the crap teams on his back and win?

Lastly give Goff Stafford's numbers from the Dallas games since we like to bend to fit a narrative and again we win the Superbowl with Staffords shitty numbers against Dallas.

Sorry I don't play what if games or live in fantasy land like some of you ppl. I only go by what actually happened. You think I care about posters who dont know me or pay my bills think about my opinion? I don't. So if you wanna make your little poll to try to humiliate a fellow poster go right ahead that says More about you than me. Again the block button is a thing. I highly suggest you use it. Kinda hard to say what goff will do next season without seeing what they do as far as the draft and free agency goes but I'm willing to bet he wins a playoff game in his tenure in Detroit.

 

[jrry32]

My only question is do you think mcvay can develop a young quarterback even if he hand picks them? Does he have the patience for that? After the goff trade and last 2 seasons i have my doubts.

Well, with him having made this trade, I don't know.

 

[Merlin]

Not gonna lie I'd still be tempted by Kellen Mond if I see him round three. I really like him. Of course that would be a dumb thing to do when those picks can help us win games now. Guess it depends on how many holes they fill before the draft.

 

[payote75]

Sorry I don't play what if games or live in fantasy land like some of you ppl. I only go by what actually happened. You think I care about posters who dont know me or pay my bills think about my opinion? I don't. So if you wanna make your little poll to try to humiliate a fellow poster go right ahead that says More about you than me. Again the block button is a thing. I highly suggest you use it. Kinda hard to say what goff will do next season without seeing what they do as far as the draft and free agency goes but I'm willing to bet he wins a playoff game in his tenure in Detroit.

How is it humiliating? If each one thinks they are right what's there to be humiliated about an be not make it like drama or being bullied it's an opinion poll or a census. However I don't need to waste my time with a poll because I know what I read and of course all our opinions count like them or hate them we are all rams fans.

If we must get candid then instead of trying to make it appear as an act of humiliation as you say and give it the appearance of being bullied or harassed lets instead stop spreading negativity and twist and bend stats to fit your narrative. You say you deal with facts but only the ones important to your goff colored glasses the facts that meet your narrative anything positive about stafford just gets glanced over or ignored.

Lastly you have give so many hypotheticals which is a contradiction that you only deal in facts but the fact remains stafford is out quarterback. We have two choices accept it and get on board or don't accept it and jump overboard. Once again with your facts stats analytics goff should have no excuses this year he should have the lions in the playoffs and winning a couple of rounds. No excuses about the lions rebuilding or being terrible it all falls on goff. By being such a goff fan you actually wind up hurting his fandom because you put people on the defensive and according to all your logic goff will have the lions balling this year because those excuse that don't apply to stafford don't apply to goff either.

 

[Giles]

How is it humiliating? If each one thinks they are right what's there to be humiliated about an be not make it like drama or being bullied it's an opinion poll or a census. However I don't need to waste my time with a poll because I know what I read and of course all our opinions count like them or hate them we are all rams fans.

If we must get candid then instead of trying to make it appear as an act of humiliation as you say and give it the appearance of being bullied or harassed lets instead stop spreading negativity and twist and bend stats to fit your narrative. You say you deal with facts but only the ones important to your goff colored glasses the facts that meet your narrative anything positive about stafford just gets glanced over or ignored.

Lastly you have give so many hypotheticals which is a contradiction that you only deal in facts but the fact remains stafford is out quarterback. We have two choices accept it and get on board or don't accept it and jump overboard. Once again with your facts stats analytics goff should have no excuses this year he should have the lions in the playoffs and winning a couple of rounds. No excuses about the lions rebuilding or being terrible it all falls on goff. By being such a goff fan you actually wind up hurting his fandom because you put people on the defensive and according to all your logic goff will have the lions balling this year because those excuse that don't apply to stafford don't apply to goff either.

Lol ok bud if bending my words to fit whatever you think you read helps you sleep at night then good for you. But that post was straight up delusional because nothing you said I said, I actually said. You just made assumptions and that's a personal problem. I don't need to twist people words, create fantasies or straight up lie and put words in others posters mouth to prove a point. But apparently you do and it's all good. We're all rams fans even if we disagree. But we'll agree to disagree because I'm done having this conversation with you.

 

[payote75]

This whole thread is about the stafford/goff trade and why posters like or dislike it. Sorry if my reasons (which are fair imo) of not liking the trade bother you so much. You can block me if it bothers you that much. Idc either way. But what I do care about is you putting words I never said in my mouth. That's bs and shows you have nothing. I thought you were better than that. Clearly I was wrong. I hope I'm wrong about the trade but Stafford history doesn't make me confident in that.

Dude are you serious don't play with words and I didn't put any words in your mouth. Every response was a direct response to what you said or how you Opened ended your statements where you can do what your doing now and try to blackout of them. You clearly have a gripe with McVay your sarcastic comments towards him do not need Sherlock Holmes to interpret. Also the boards here for opinions but it's like after anyone says anything positive or happy about Stafford you have to be a Debbie downer. I get your in pain but let some people who may be sad but understand enough that it was time to turn the page and accept it and be positive about the upcoming season. Team first. It's not that your opinion is unimportant but when so many posters are being positive and the goff guys are even trying to heal and become upbeat here comes you to tell everyone just how bad or a loser stafford is.

I get it your not in agreement but the majority now seems to be. If it's that important to you start a thread and talk doom and gloom on that. I would hate to think how shitty everyone would feel if stafford sucked this year or God forbid got injured.

I have to ask honestly as honest as you can if the above happened would you remind me or anyone how you thought it was a bad trade?

 

[Giles]

Dude are you serious don't play with words and I didn't put any words in your mouth. Every response was a direct response to what you said or how you Opened ended your statements where you can do what your doing now and try to blackout of them. You clearly have a gripe with McVay your sarcastic comments towards him do not need Sherlock Holmes to interpret. Also the boards here for opinions but it's like after anyone says anything positive or happy about Stafford you have to be a Debbie downer. I get your in pain but let some people who may be sad but understand enough that it was time to turn the page and accept it and be positive about the upcoming season. Team first. It's not that your opinion is unimportant but when so many posters are being positive and the goff guys are even trying to heal and become upbeat here comes you to tell everyone just how bad or a loser stafford is.

I get it your not in agreement but the majority now seems to be. If it's that important to you start a thread and talk doom and gloom on that. I would hate to think how shitty everyone would feel if stafford sucked this year or God forbid got injured.

I have to ask honestly as honest as you can if the above happened would you remind me or anyone how you thought it was a bad trade?

Not my problem you dont like posters posting fair and honest criticism of Stafford. Stafford could win the sb and I would still say I thought it was a bad trade at the time as I was eating crow of course. Block me if you have a problem. This is my final reply to you on this topic.

 

[payote75]

Lol ok bud if bending my words to fit whatever you think you read helps you sleep at night then good for you. But that post was straight up delusional because nothing you said I said, I actually said. You just made assumptions and that's a personal problem. I don't need to twist people words, create fantasies or straight up lie and put words in others posters mouth to prove a point. But apparently you do and it's all good. We're all rams fans even if we disagree. But we'll agree to disagree because I'm done having this conversation with you.

Oh no please I need the negativity I need to hear how this trade will backfire lol...Dude people have been quoting you. It's like I'm going to have to be childish and go back through our 300 posts to find the quotes or insinuations you made. Especially about McVay.i havent made up anything it's right there for posters to read. I don't need to make anything up. You used the word humiliating not me everything you have said has been sheer bitterness negativity and bordering on downright anti McVay. Whatever dude I will continue to be hopeful. If you want to keep raining on my parade go ahead. I'd rather think we are heading somewhere good then dwell or hang in the shadows on the what if or the all mighty I told you so and especially the we messed up and goff becomes Joe Montana that's all. Just trying to be positive.