Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[Giles]

I'm not comparing a QB trade to a trade for a CB - I'm comparing your (most likely inconsistent) response to the Rams trading two first round picks for a single player. You messed up by saying that even if Stafford dropped 45 in the Super Bowl and we lost that it'd still be a bad trade because we wouldn't have first round picks to reinforce the defense. That's one of the worst takes I've ever seen on this site.

Why didn't Goff make the playoffs with two 1000 yard WRs in 2019? Why didn't Watson win more than 4 games this year? Why have Rodgers and Brees only won the NFC one time each? Why have the best QB seasons in NFL history all failed to win a Super Bowl?

Why hasn't Stafford won in the playoffs? Same answer to all the questions above. Football is a team sport and it's asinine to assign W/L to a QB.

People who vote for the hof disagree with you. Winning is the most important stat in football and as the quarterback the most important position in football who gets all the credit and blame for team success it's not "asinine" to credit quarterbacks for wins and losses. It's only "asinine" if it doesn't fit your very obvious agenda against goff that you had for 2 seasons. Now to answer your imo stupid question about the trades between 2 players. Yes I was expecting a sb and yes unless we win one all these trades for players dont mean shit without 1. Mcsnead has been mortgaging the future to win a sb every year (except 2017) so if they dont win one it's a failure. You may be ok with just making the playoffs but I'm not. These moves are made to win a sb. Ask steeler fans if they're happy with just "making the playoffs".

 

[Giles]

But you never got one with Goff and we had good teams so there's a problem there.

That's exactly my point.

 

[payote75]

I'm not comparing a QB trade to a trade for a CB - I'm comparing your (most likely inconsistent) response to the Rams trading two first round picks for a single player. You messed up by saying that even if Stafford dropped 45 in the Super Bowl and we lost that it'd still be a bad trade because we wouldn't have first round picks to reinforce the defense. That's one of the worst takes I've ever seen on this site.

Why didn't Goff make the playoffs with two 1000 yard WRs in 2019? Why didn't Watson win more than 4 games this year? Why have Rodgers and Brees only won the NFC one time each? Why have the best QB seasons in NFL history all failed to win a Super Bowl?

Why hasn't Stafford won in the playoffs? Same answer to all the questions above. Football is a team sport and it's asinine to assign W/L to a QB.

Awesome post!!!

 

[payote75]

People who vote for the hof disagree with you. Winning is the most important stat in football and as the quarterback the most important position in football who gets all the credit and blame for team success it's not "asinine" to credit quarterbacks for wins and losses. It's only "asinine" if it doesn't fit your very obvious agenda against goff that you had for 2 seasons. Now to answer your imo stupid question about the trades between 2 players. Yes I was expecting a sb and yes unless we win one all these trades for players dont mean shit without 1. Mcsnead has been mortgaging the future to win a sb every year (except 2017) so if they dont win one it's a failure. You may be ok with just making the playoffs but I'm not. These moves are made to win a sb. Ask steeler fans if they're happy with just "making the playoffs".

So where does that leave Dan Marino?

 

[payote75]

And we didn't trade 2 1st rounders for 10 wins but we also didn't spend 150 million dollars for those same 10 wins and the team doesn't split that money so breaking it down further that 150 million wasn't spent for what 22 touchdowns and 13 interceptions??? And a boat load of turnovers.

 

[Giles]

So where does that leave Dan Marino?

Great qb but will never be considered better than montana/brady because he never won a sb.

 

[payote75]

That's exactly my point.

What's your point??? Stafford hasn't taken a freaking snap. Give the guy a chance and again is it that important to be right or to chip? This conversation leaves serious doubt it's actually pretty frightening. Let's see what he does and if it's a big failure then you can kick all the pro trade people in the nuts when we down? That's what it seems like. AD is my favourite player and if the rams traded him I'd be pissed as fuck but I'd have to embrace it. Maybe a day or two of anger but I wouldn't beat a dead horse what's done is done and I certainly wouldn't secretly want to say told you so either. Nobody likes change but sometimes it's necessary.

 

[Giles]

Again team game offense defens special teams all play a part. The first two obviously the biggest. Stafford has never really had any of that he has been through how many rebuilds? Goff was give the keys to a mansion in Malibu Stafford was given the keys to the shed out back.
When it's so Goff sided it makes people have to feel shitty like they putting Goff down intentionally. This can go on all offseason but at some point like any other players moving through trade or free agency we need to move on no?
It's like saying a new chick fresh start and my friend reps bringing up what she did in the past. Time to live in the present and hope for a championship in the future.

This is so inaccurate my guy. Goff wasn't "givin the keys to mansion in Malibu" Stafford and goff came in the league with bottom of the barrel teams. 1 qb was able to win games and one wasn't. Dont sit there a say Stafford didn't have talent around him to succeed and the org didn't try to help him. They did. The results didn't follow and that's the difference.

 

[payote75]

Great qb but will never be considered better than montana/brady because he never won a sb.

Hall of fame right? And even without a ring he still considered one of the best ever. It's just followed by "shame he never got a ring" same thing that will follow AD if he doesn't get one. Which is why we couldn't waste another year. Can't get time back.

 

[Giles]

But you wiped out 34 million of overpaid according to production so you can "retool" with free agents which would only be one each year for each pick given up. And if you want to count the 3rd rounder this year well then we only need one player this year according to that thought process. The logic there is just that not logic it's illogical bro. I can see to a point... in the way that maybe the organisation didn't make the right moves after the Goff trade that angle might work if it should come to that but why are we desperate to look for an angle like we are looking for failure. Is any rams fan going to want to be kicked when there down? A lot of times it just seems it's more about being pro Goff than pro rams and at some point we need to move on. Goff is gone let's hope the rams do a lot of winning and hope for Goff to have a brilliant career. The "I told you so" isn't that important man.

Lol you misunderstand me. I dont care about being right. I care about wins. That's it. I dont believe that Stafford will get the rams to where I want them and that is sb champions. I've already explained why i believe that and dont feel like explaining myself again. People seem to think Stafford gonna come in a accomplish more than what the rams did with goff and I'm gonna tell you right now that's a tall order for any qb much less one with 2 playoff appearances in 12 seasons.

 

[payote75]

This is so inaccurate my guy. Goff wasn't "givin the keys to mansion in Malibu" Stafford and goff came in the league with bottom of the barrel teams. 1 qb was able to win games and one wasn't. Dont sit there a say Stafford didn't have talent around him to succeed and the org didn't try to help him. They did. The results didn't follow and that's the difference.

Dude are you that blind with Goff blinders....Goff went hungry for 7 games then moved on up quicker than the Jeffersons Stafford has never had everything going at once and he doesn't play slime or cornerback. That's just another terrible take. I feel for goff he suffered through a rough 7 games then was given some defens le special teams the best LT I'm football best running back in football and just a couple of receivers nothing special oh and Marcus Peters talib AD was there oh and coach Mcvay so yea mansion in Malibu.

 

[Giles]

Hall of fame right? And even without a ring he still considered one of the best ever. It's just followed by "shame he never got a ring" same thing that will follow AD if he doesn't get one. Which is why we couldn't waste another year. Can't get time back.

Of course he's a hall of Famer but why isnt he considered better than the 2 I mentioned? Sb wins. That's the only reason. If mcvay didn't want to "waste another year" of ad then he needs to quit neglecting the oline. I'm waiting to see if he's gonna triple down on that same dumbass decision that has cost him for 2 seasons now.

 

[payote75]

Lol you misunderstand me. I dont care about being right. I care about wins. That's it. I dont believe that Stafford will get the rams to where I want them and that is sb champions. I've already explained why i believe that and dont feel like explaining myself again. People seem to think Stafford gonna come in a accomplish more than what the rams did with goff and I'm gonna tell you right now that's a tall order for any qb much less one with 2 playoff appearances in 12 seasons.

Ok but how can you forecast that when the dude hasn't even taken a snap. The DN trade isn't even official yet.
That said what makes you think Goff would have gotten us a Superbowl because he made one??? It's all hypothetical bit at least give Stafford a chance but that still leafs to a fork in the road at some point. If Stafford doesn't win will post that you knew this trade wouldn't work. That's where it gets suspect cause if the rams win a chip I assume your ecstatic but if Stafford and his rams blow it then what kick us Goff traitors when we are down. It's like counter productive.

 

[payote75]

Of course he's a hall of Famer but why isnt he considered better than the 2 I mentioned? Sb wins. That's the only reason. If mcvay didn't want to "waste another year" of ad then he needs to quit neglecting the oline. I'm waiting to see if he's gonna triple down on that same dumbass decision that has cost him for 2 seasons now.

Skill wise he is better than the two you mentioned. It's all about the rings I get it.
So with that logic Trent Dilfer was better than Marino? Or Joe Flacco? Or Jeff Hoestettler? Didn't like Brad Johnson also chip?

 

[Giles]

Dude are you that blind with Goff blinders....Goff went hungry for 7 games then moved on up quicker than the Jeffersons Stafford has never had everything going at once and he doesn't play slime or cornerback. That's just another terrible take. I feel for goff he suffered through a rough 7 games then was given some defens le special teams the best LT I'm football best running back in football and just a couple of receivers nothing special oh and Marcus Peters talib AD was there oh and coach Mcvay so yea mansion in Malibu.

Lmao what? In the playoff loss to the cowboys he had 2 1000 yards receivers one being the most talented receiver of all time and 1000 yard rusher in Bush and the #2 defense. How much more do you need? He had everything a qb could dream for and still came up short when his team needed him the most. He scored 14 quick points in the 1st and followed that up with only 6 points the remaining 3qtrs. That's a choke job.
When goff had his opportunities he capitalized and Stafford didn't. That's not having "goff blinders" that's stating the obvious.

 

[payote75]

Lmao what? In the playoff loss to the cowboys he had 2 1000 yards receivers one being the most talented receiver of all time and 1000 yard rusher in Bush and the #2 defense. How much more do you need? He had everything a qb could dream for and still came up short when his team needed him the most. He scored 14 quick points in the 1st and followed that up with only 6 points the remaining 3qtrs. That's a choke job.
When goff had his opportunities he capitalized and Stafford didn't. That's not having "goff blinders" that's stating the obvious.

We know this and how did Stafford look on defense for the lions that game? How many yards for bush and carries? They didn't lose because of Stafford though is my point.

 

[Giles]

Ok but how can you forecast that when the dude hasn't even taken a snap. The DN trade isn't even official yet.
That said what makes you think Goff would have gotten us a Superbowl because he made one??? It's all hypothetical bit at least give Stafford a chance but that still leafs to a fork in the road at some point. If Stafford doesn't win will post that you knew this trade wouldn't work. That's where it gets suspect cause if the rams win a chip I assume your ecstatic but if Stafford and his rams blow it then what kick us Goff traitors when we are down. It's like counter productive.

Stafford has 12 years on his resume. That's more than enough to make a prediction. I don't know what goff would do in the future but if I had to bet money my money is going with goff. That guy simply wins.

 

[Giles]

We know this and how did Stafford look on defense for the lions that game?

It's not the defense fault he only scored 6 points in the remaining 3 qtrs of play. He also had the ball last to win it, He fumbled on 4&2. Was that the defense fault? If he's "that guy" they win that game easily.

 

[payote75]

Stafford has 12 years on his resume. That's more than enough to make a prediction. I don't what goff would do in the future but if I had to bet money my money is going with goff. That guy simply wins.

He won because he had the right pieces in place from top to bottom and he isn't without tools the kid has tools but inevitably they thought it was the end of the line. If you say you have or had faith in this regime prior why would it be lost? Cause Goff was traded now they are what not a good regime?
As far as Stafford no stability 3-4 rebuilds as bad as our rams were the lions have been worse pre Stafford post Stafford. So hopefully now maybe Goff can get them to the promise land.

 

[Giles]

We know this and how did Stafford look on defense for the lions that game? How many yards for bush and carries? They didn't lose because of Stafford though is my point.

He didn't make a difference either and that's my point. You draft players especially quarterbacks #1 to be difference makers and in that game he wasn't that guy. You could make the argument he lost that game as well.