Matt Stafford Traded to Rams

[PhillyRam]

I didn’t just give you Mahomes. I gave you Brady, Manning, Rodgers and Brees. There were many years those guys didn’t have great OLs but the one thing you noticed is that when they got pressure up the middle they know how to navigate and step up in the pocket. Goff just goes down. It’s like his shoelaces are tied together the way be navigates the pocket.

As for Stafford the guy never had a great coach, never had a running game and was part of an organization that didn’t make winning a priority and was notorious for keeping executives/coaches in jobs even though they were terrible. I’m not automatically checking the box and saying we are going to win the Super Bowl now that he’s here but I will say that we have definitely improved the QB position by acquiring Stafford. Really looking forward to next year and seeing what else we do in the off season.

BTW, Brees had losing seasons when things were not perfect for him, and like Rodgers he reached one SB.... ONE!

We are dumping the 26 yr old Goff because the thought is he can't get us to the the big game...again while you cite a couple guys that have reached one SB in their entire careers.

And we are trading him AND two 1sts & a 3rd for a guy that never elevated his team.

So something doesn't add up.

....but again you are comparing Goff to 4 HOF's...

 

[jjab360]

Or not. Imo Holmes will rebuild Detroit with the same approach the Rams used for identifying college talent, except that with Detroit he will have more and better draft picks to work with. I personally thought he was a great hire for their GM.



Great comment!

Holmes was not only in the key organizational position for the Rams for college scouting and drafting, he was "in the room" for all of the Rams' drafting successes and failures over the last several years. He knows what happened and where the bodies are buried.

Holmes' trade for Goff shows that not everyone from the Rams' organization agrees with the conventional wisdom on this forum that Goff is a failure who was responsible for holding back the offense from some presumed higher level of performance.

If he believed in Goff that much, why did he need so much compensation for the trade?

 

[kurtfaulk]

If he believed in Goff that much, why did he need so much compensation for the trade?

well, he was trading from a position of strength while the rams told the world they were going to start woolford over goff.

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[PhillyRam]

I didn’t just give you Mahomes. I gave you Brady, Manning, Rodgers and Brees. There were many years those guys didn’t have great OLs but the one thing you noticed is that when they got pressure up the middle they know how to navigate and step up in the pocket. Goff just goes down. It’s like his shoelaces are tied together the way be navigates the pocket.

As for Stafford the guy never had a great coach, never had a running game and was part of an organization that didn’t make winning a priority and was notorious for keeping executives/coaches in jobs even though they were terrible. I’m not automatically checking the box and saying we are going to win the Super Bowl now that he’s here but I will say that we have definitely improved the QB position by acquiring Stafford. Really looking forward to next year and seeing what else we do in the off season.

BTW, without Tyreke Hill, Mahomes doesn't win that SB last yr. Hill's big plays got them back in that game.

So unless wins is only a team stat when it refers to Goff but not for Mahomes, the supporting cast matters.

And don't get me wrong, Mahomes is by far the best QB, but just shows for even him, the supporting cast matters.

Brady was said to be shot last yr...dead arm, over the hill. Give him all kinds of weapons he is in the SB again.

 

[jacktheripper85]

BTW, Brees had losing seasons when things were not perfect for him, and like Rodgers he reached one SB.... ONE!

We are dumping the 26 yr old Goff because the thought is he can't get us to the the big game...again while you cite a couple guys that have reached one SB in their entire careers.

And we are trading him AND two 1sts & a 3rd for a guy that never elevated his team.

So something doesn't add up.

....but again you are comparing Goff to 4 HOF's...

I’m comparing him to those guys because he’s the 5th highest paid QB in the league. If I wanted a guy who played like Trubinsky I wouldn’t pay him $35M a year. And if you think you trade a guy like Goff and it’s solely because of Snead and McVay you are nuts. You can bet your ass that Goff lost that lockeroom and that was the final nail in the coffin.

 

[PhillyRam]

I’m comparing him to those guys because he’s the 5th highest paid QB in the league. If I wanted a guy who played like Trubinsky I wouldn’t pay him $35M a year. And if you think you trade a guy like Goff and it’s solely because of Snead and McVay you are nuts. You can bet your ass that Goff lost that lockeroom and that was the final nail in the coffin.

Well you're ridiculous. In a few yrs Goff's deal won't be in the top 12-15.

By that logic, Rodgers and Brees are overpaid because in the end they both reached only one SB in a combined 30 plus yrs of football.

BTW, the elite Mahomes looks like shit when he doesn't have time to throw despite his outstanding weapons.

 

[RamFan503]

And if you think you trade a guy like Goff and it’s solely because of Snead and McVay you are nuts.

Well you're ridiculous.

Dudes. Choose and use your words. It's already beyond eye rolling how people are acting towards each other when discussing this minutia.

Remember our long held mantra. Act like you are Ram fans talking about our team over a couple beers.

 

[jacktheripper85]

Well you're ridiculous. In a few yrs Goff's deal won't be in the top 12-15.

By that logic, Rodgers and Brees are overpaid because in the end they both reached only one SB in a combined 30 plus yrs of football.

BTW, the elite Mahomes looks like shit when he doesn't have time to throw despite his outstanding weapons.

Goff lost all 5 of his starting OL this year?

 

[PhillyRam]

Goff lost all 5 of his starting OL this year?

The Rams lost 3 last yr & played multiple rookies... Mahomes lost 4 and the fourth was in this game only. The center stayed healthy all year.

I am not debating Goff vs Mahomes. Just pointing out even with all those weapons, the most talented QB in the league, looks like crap without protection.

Its a team sport. For some reason you prove once again Ram wins are a team effort, but losses are normally blamed on one guy.

 

[FarNorth]

If he believed in Goff that much, why did he need so much compensation for the trade?

Because he could get it.

Holmes had a really good offer from Carolina which included the no 8 pick this year and Teddy Bridgewater. Rams had to outbid this offer, and others, at the last minute. The draft picks are actually fairly balanced, given the future vs now factor but importantly the higher value of No.8 vs lower later picks from the Rams. But it's ultimately somewhat subjective given the multiple variables.

Still, Holmes could have had Bridgewater. Instead he took Goff.

 

[SteezyEndo]

Still, Holmes could have had Bridgewater. Instead he took Goff.

Did he do us a favor?

 

[FarNorth]

Did he do us a favor?

I doubt it. There's been some media discussion that Holmes wanted to trade Stafford to his preferred team which apparently was the Rams. And I'm sure Holmes felt comfortable dealing with the Rams. But he wouldn't have made the trade if he didn't want Goff.

 

[SteezyEndo]

I doubt it. There's been some media discussion that Holmes wanted to trade Stafford to his preferred team which apparently was the Rams. And I'm sure Holmes felt comfortable dealing with the Rams. But he wouldn't have made the trade if he didn't want Goff.

Unless Holmes could figure out how to create a better Goff under this new style of coaching or change of scenary? He would be a genius if he could pull it off.

 

[FarNorth]

Unless Holmes could figure out how to create a better Goff under this new style of coaching or change of scenary? He would be a genius if he could pull it off.

Holmes needs a good offense and a good line in addition to Goff. But the Rams also need a good offense and a good line in addition to Stafford.

 

[SteezyEndo]

Holmes needs a good offense and a good line in addition to Goff. But the Rams also need a good offense and a good line in addition to Stafford.

I believe Stafford would do just fine with what we got at the moment. He could work with it. This team will get a better perspective now.

 

[TexasRam]

Well you're ridiculous. In a few yrs Goff's deal won't be in the top 12-15.

By that logic, Rodgers and Brees are overpaid because in the end they both reached only one SB in a combined 30 plus yrs of football.

BTW, the elite Mahomes looks like shit when he doesn't have time to throw despite his outstanding weapons.

Yea I would echo the Mods words on turning the heat down, trust me I have to check myself all the time.

But engaging your argument. It is very obvious tonight that Mahomes was much worse vs Tampa then Goff was.

We can either argue Goff is better, which no one is, or as you stated open our eyes a little to the fact that protection is everything. Even the Greats need protection. When Goff had sufficient (but not perfect protection) with lesser targets than Mahomes, Goff lead the league in offense two years in a row. Winning Super Bowls and making Super Bowls is a team statement, not a QB statement.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I believe Stafford would do just fine with what we got at the moment. He could work with it. This team will get a better perspective now.

Famous last words.

What's the bet the Rams don't start next season with Blythe at centre?

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[badnews]

Oh, so you are still looking at generational talent.

BTW, How did Rodgers navigate pressure last yr against the Niners and this yr vs the Bucs?

If Rodgers is so awesome, why did he play in the same number of SBs as Goff in nearly three times as many seasons?

Obviously the supporting cast matters.

Few QB's excel with pressure, especially pressure up the gut, which was the Rams issue. Its one thing to step up in the pocket from outside pressure, it's another getting it right up in your grill like the Rams have had issues with.

Even Brady, with the greatest talent he had played with, struggled when the Giants pressured him consistently between the tackle's with their "NASCAR pass rush" package that Spags implemented in that SB.

Careful. This kind of talk is apparently difficult for some people these days.
This thread is about Stafford, not Goff... so keep it relevant.

 

[jacktheripper85]

Yea I would echo the Mods words on turning the heat down, trust me I have to check myself all the time.

But engaging your argument. It is very obvious tonight that Mahomes was much worse vs Tampa then Goff was.

We can either argue Goff is better, which no one is, or as you stated open our eyes a little to the fact that protection is everything. Even the Greats need protection. When Goff had sufficient (but not perfect protection) with lesser targets than Mahomes, Goff lead the league in offense two years in a row. Winning Super Bowls and making Super Bowls is a team statement, not a QB statement.

Well, obviously football is a team game and one person doesn’t determine the outcome.

You know what else is obvious. Some players are better than others and have a bigger impact on the game.

 

[Mackeyser]

Man, Holmes is an idiot.

You can't get something unless you ask for it, right? You gotta ask...

Still, I laughed out loud at that... Aaron Donald...

Now if you wanna see a riot... a literal riot, not a forum riot... trade Aaron Donald.../shudder