Le'Veon Bell's holdout

[Dxmissile]

You must be new to football and may have missed other RB's who have been good pass catchers.

Like even 25 years ago.

He does not deserve more than Gurley.

He's a big risk.

How is he a big risk. Have you seen the numbers he’s put up as both a receiver and running back all the touches he has had every year the guy is a work horse and he’s top 2 in the game and for good reason.

 

[Dxmissile]

Lol it’s so funny. I love Gurley just like the rest of you but I remember just last year I was one of the main ones defending Gurley lol now all of a sudden Bell doesn’t deserve to get paid more than Gurley. Lol it’s laughable.

 

[LesBaker]

No I’m not new to football I know about Faulk and Tomlinson even Faulk in New England and SJax, what I’m talking about is the last 10 years or so when running backs wasn’t drafter high anymore because teams felt like they could get by with a rb in the late rounds what Bell showed was that en elite running back with pass catching skills in TODAYS NFL is a major mismatch. That’s why it’s been a run on pass catching running backs in the last 5 years or so.

Bell was a late pick. 48th.

So you just missed that LOL.

How is he a big risk. Have you seen the numbers he’s put up as both a receiver and running back all the touches he has had every year the guy is a work horse and he’s top 2 in the game and for good reason.

Injuries and TWO drug suspensions ARE a risk.

And as far as his touches it's not a big deal here are the numbers. He hasn't been driven into the ground.........mostly because he misses games. Another issue LOL.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BellLe00.htm

Add up the catches and carries and get back to me.

So fuck anything he has done ON the field.

Look at what he has done OFF the field.

2 suspensions and this dumbass holdout.

It's a risk.

I'm out.

 

[dieterbrock]

Or you can look on the flip side and say defense aren’t paying as much attention to Connor as they did Bell. And while Connor has been good running the ball he isn’t almost 50 percent of the offense like Bell has been for numerous seasons

Bell’s career high in rushing TD was 9 (Connor already has 10) and total TD was 11. Which is where Connor is right now.
Production otherwise is almost identical.

 

[…..]

Believe me, Dog. I'm not taking it too seriously. I talk to a lot of different people through the course of the day, and when I can't get through a conversation without someone complaining about their fantasy team, or how selfish Bell is for not reporting, I get a little ashamed of the fan base. I don't take that too seriously because it's just a fact that I can live with. Football fans think they are out there on the field to entertain them or to get them fantasy points. It's just not the case. Those guys are out there to make a living with their God given ability and a crap load of training since they were kids, and no one has the right to tell them how to do it.

Will he make his money back? I don't care. If he got seriously hurt this year, there might not have been another contract at all. I choose to dislike the game not the player.

I guess it's just a generational thing. I remember a time when we loved the game and played it because it was fun. Good money was a byproduct then, but now...its become a demand and it's become the focus.

The contract offer from Pitt was an insult, But I would have played for the 14 and taken my talents to the open market without drama and bridge burning.

Oh...and anyone who complains to you about fantasy teams? They knew his status during the draft. The best drafts skipped right by him.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I think if you’re a team who is thinking about signing him to big $$ you’ve got to look at Conners production and ask if Bell was the straw or just fortunate to play in such a good system

Yeah. I'm sure it was all the Steelers and nothing from bell which made him look like the best rb in the league.

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[Merlin]

Lol. So I guess neither is Aaron Donald either huh. It kills me how fans wanna get in another mans pocket. His so -called teammates are trash Bell isn’t the first player to hold out and he won’t be the last. RB is probably the shortest career lasting position in the Nfl. Todd did speak out about the Middle school offense and I bet he would have held out too if he didn’t get extended which would be his RIGHT to do. Get off your high horse. Football is always buisness first

Yeah Dx you got it man. Aaron Donald is exactly like him. Congrats on not missin a thing in this conversation.

 

[Dxmissile]

Bell was a late pick. 48th.

So you just missed that LOL.



Injuries and TWO drug suspensions ARE a risk.

And as far as his touches it's not a big deal here are the numbers. He hasn't been driven into the ground.........mostly because he misses games. Another issue LOL.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BellLe00.htm

Add up the catches and carries and get back to me.

So freak anything he has done ON the field.

Look at what he has done OFF the field.

2 suspensions and this dumbass holdout.

It's a risk.

I'm out.

321 carries 85 receptions just last year isn’t that over 400 touches in a year. Lol I guess the hold outs only dumb because it isn’t you. Last I checked what you do on the field does matter that’s how you get paid. Which is why he will get paid.

 

[Dxmissile]

Bell’s career high in rushing TD was 9 (Connor already has 10) and total TD was 11. Which is where Connor is right now.
Production otherwise is almost identical.

We talking about rushing I think we can all agree that Bell just isn’t a running back he accounted for over half the teams Offensive production. Maybe that’s why their offense is doing better because it forces them to put the ball in other places maybe guys are finally playing up to their potential since Bell isn’t there and they know he’s gonna be the one to get the Ball. There’s not a GM in this league that wouldn’t take Bell. The only running back that’s safe is Gurley Elliot Gordon Hunt Karmora Chubb and Saquon

 

[dieterbrock]

There’s not a GM in this league that wouldn’t take Bell. The only running back that’s safe is Gurley Elliot Gordon Hunt Karmora Chubb and Saquon

Wouldn’t take him? Lol. Of course they will. He’ll be in high demand no doubt. As he should be.
As for being highest paid RB? Sure a Cleveland or Jets May over spend but I think with all the red flags and now seeing the production in his absence have no drop off, I think it’s a buyer beware situation

And btw, Connor is right there with him in receiving too, avg 43 yds per game, which is exactly Bell avg

 

[Dxmissile]

Wouldn’t take him? Lol. Of course they will. He’ll be in high demand no doubt. As he should be.
As for being highest paid RB? Sure a Cleveland or Jets May over spend but I think with all the red flags and now seeing the production in his absence have no drop off, I think it’s a buyer beware situation

And btw, Connor is right there with him in receiving too, avg 43 yds per game, which is exactly Bell avg

Bells average over how many years. I hate comparing running backs to other elite running backs when the consistency isn’t there. The problem with Connor is how do he respond next year or is he just a zack Stacy or Darryl Richardson.

Better yet let’s look at Malcom brown if Gurley gets hurt and Malcom brown fill in and he has the same ypc average same rushing average does that means he’s better or does it mean it’s the system. Eye test and film review would show you that the way they used Bell is different then how they are using Connor. It would should you that defense keyed on Bell in a way theyre not doing for Connor

 

[Rmfnlt]

Or you can look on the flip side and say defense aren’t paying as much attention to Connor as they did Bell. And while Connor has been good running the ball he isn’t almost 50 percent of the offense like Bell has been for numerous seasons

I dunno... alls I know is PITT is winning with Connor.

The actual stats? Like @dieterbrock points out, very similar.

Now, it's a small sample size (one season)... but that was all Bell had... he'll move on... he'll get paid... how much? The market will determine that.

I'm out on this now... he's not a Rams... I really don't care.

Know what I care about? The Rams have Todd Gurley and there is NOT contract disputes with him.

That's good enough for me.

 

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I think Bell's holdout strategy is working fantastic, James Conner just got a huge raise.

 

[Ken]

It's a risk/reward decision. His decision to make and he made it. Same as AD. Though I don't believe it ever came out of his or his agents mouth, I'm pretty sure that AD would not have played under the tag if the Rams had tried to franchise him, and, if that happened, I wouldn't have blamed him. I would have blamed the Rams. Just like the cheap ass Steelers are 100% to blame, IMO, for Bell not playing this year with their relatively shitty contract offer. I think Bell not signing the franchise tag is a good thing for the league's players (particularly elite rookie RBs). If failing another drug test and getting suspended was a factor, the Steelers could have structured a contract offer that reflected reduced pay and future guarantees if it happened again. Going forward I think this will make teams more likely to try to reach a contract with their best players than to just assume they will play under the tag. It's one thing to franchise a player when you're not sure about them after playing one good season (e.g. Joyner, and that looks like a mistake now), and another to franchise a star player on their rookie deal, just because you can.

 

[dieterbrock]

Just like the cheap ass Steelers are 100% to blame, IMO, for Bell not playing this year with their relatively crappy contract offer

Crappy offer?
5 years 70 million according to Rappaport
Last ditch offer 3 years 47 mill per Florio

 

[Ken]

Crappy offer?
5 years 70 million according to Rappaport
Last ditch offer 3 years 47 mill per Florio

It's the guaranteed money that matters if you have a career ending injury. I thought the Steerlers offer was very low on the guaranteed. So much so that had he signed it and his career ended this season he would not have made much more than that tag amount. I could be wrong.

 

[Dxmissile]

Crappy offer?
5 years 70 million according to Rappaport
Last ditch offer 3 years 47 mill per Florio

Yeah but what was the guaranteed amount. That’s what’s important

 

[Dxmissile]

It's the guaranteed money that matters if you have a career ending injury. I thought the Steerlers offer was very low on the guaranteed. So much so that had he signed it and his career ended this season he would not have made much more than that tag amount. I could be wrong.

I think the guaranteed amount was only like 17 million