Kupp + Puka = Bruce + Holt

[Alaskan Ram]

....and maybe add Tutu and Hakim to each side of the equation?

Discuss.

This offense can be elite.
Greatest Show on Surf. (Minus Orlando Pace)

Side Note:
Warner = Stafford.
Kyren Williams doing things that haven't been done since Marshall Faulk.

Go Rams!

 

[TexasRam]

Holt, Bruce and Faulk all 4.4 track speed.

Faulk was so explosive and unstoppable with his jukes and speed. I like Kyren but he’s like 2 levels below Faulk.

The possession WR’s that Kupp and Puka are does add a different dimension that the GSOT lacked. It could be as hard to stop while being more move the chains and less explosive.

Hakim and Tutu are similar though.

Remember that Vikings divisional game?

Throw it to Bruce for an 80 yard TD then next possession same thing to Faulk. The big play stuff was unmatched.

 

[Memento]

We'll see. Right now - as good as Nacua has played - it's been four games, and we're talking about comparing him to HOFers? Let's ease up on the kid. He'll make mistakes, just like Kupp did in his rookie year, and that's okay; he's a rookie and he can afford to make mistakes. He keeps up this pace for the season, and I'll be right on the Puka Nacua HOFer bandwagon with you. I just think it's a little early.

Atwell being compared to Hakim...well, I know Hakim is polarizing, but at his best, he had Tyreek Hill's speed and twice as much elusiveness (if less power) than Hill. Atwell has been awesome, but he doesn't return punts like Hakim did, and while he's made some excellent and tough catches that Hakim would never do, I don't think he's a WR2 type yet like Hakim was for us.

And the GSoT simply cannot be compared to; Martz, for all his faults, revolutionized football in a way that our Rams, as amazing of a coach as McVay is (in my opinion, McVay's a better coach than Vermeil and Martz), simply can't do. Yes, he's revolutionized schemes and such, but he hasn't revolutionized the game itself like the GSoT did.

 

[Memento]

Oh, but I'll say this: Skowronek is far more important and versatile than Proehl ever was to the overall offense. Proehl, as good as he was, isn't the blocker that Skow is, cannot play a hybrid HB/WR like Skow can.

 

[jrry32]

We'll see. Right now - as good as Nacua has played - it's been four games, and we're talking about comparing him to HOFers? Let's ease up on the kid. He'll make mistakes, just like Kupp did in his rookie year, and that's okay; he's a rookie and he can afford to make mistakes. He keeps up this pace for the season, and I'll be right on the Puka Nacua HOFer bandwagon with you. I just think it's a little early.

Atwell being compared to Hakim...well, I know Hakim is polarizing, but at his best, he had Tyreek Hill's speed and twice as much elusiveness (if less power) than Hill. Atwell has been awesome, but he doesn't return punts like Hakim did, and while he's made some excellent and tough catches that Hakim would never do, I don't think he's a WR2 type yet like Hakim was for us.

And the GSoT simply cannot be compared to; Martz, for all his faults, revolutionized football in a way that our Rams, as amazing of a coach as McVay is (in my opinion, McVay's a better coach than Vermeil and Martz), simply can't do. Yes, he's revolutionized schemes and such, but he hasn't revolutionized the game itself like the GSoT did.

If that was true, Hakim would have been far better than a #3 WR. He was a 4.4 guy. Hill is a 4.2 guy. Tutu is faster than Az was. He's not as elusive, though.

 

[HitStick]

We'll see. Right now - as good as Nacua has played - it's been four games, and we're talking about comparing him to HOFers? Let's ease up on the kid. He'll make mistakes, just like Kupp did in his rookie year, and that's okay; he's a rookie and he can afford to make mistakes. He keeps up this pace for the season, and I'll be right on the Puka Nacua HOFer bandwagon with you. I just think it's a little early.

Atwell being compared to Hakim...well, I know Hakim is polarizing, but at his best, he had Tyreek Hill's speed and twice as much elusiveness (if less power) than Hill. Atwell has been awesome, but he doesn't return punts like Hakim did, and while he's made some excellent and tough catches that Hakim would never do, I don't think he's a WR2 type yet like Hakim was for us.

And the GSoT simply cannot be compared to; Martz, for all his faults, revolutionized football in a way that our Rams, as amazing of a coach as McVay is (in my opinion, McVay's a better coach than Vermeil and Martz), simply can't do. Yes, he's revolutionized schemes and such, but he hasn't revolutionized the game itself like the GSoT did.

To be fair, comparing Puka to Holt the year they one is fair because Holt was a rookie.

So Puka better get us 287 yards, 5 TDs and a Lombardi by the end of his rookie year.

I can see it…

 

[Memento]

If that was true, Hakim would have been far better than a #3 WR. He was a 4.4 guy. Hill is a 4.2 guy. Tutu is faster than Az was. He's not as elusive, though.

Az would've been a #2 receiver on most of the teams in the league; he just happened to be behind two HOFers (and it is a fucking CRIME that Holt's not in the Hall yet). If he signed with a better team to be a #2 instead of going to Detroit (who would end up as one of the worst teams of the decade), maybe his legacy is different. And I disagree that Hakim was a 4.4 guy. He outran every defender. He outran Champ Bailey at full speed (Holt did as well.)

 

[Alaskan Ram]

Remember that Vikings divisional game?

Throw it to Bruce for an 80 yard TD then next possession same thing to Faulk. The big play stuff was unmatched.

This team can execute some chunk plays though. I do wish the "house calls" were more abundant.

 

[dang]

....and maybe add Tutu and Hakim to each side of the equation?

Discuss.

This offense can be elite.
Greatest Show on Surf. (Minus Orlando Pace)

Side Note:
Warner = Stafford.
Kyren Williams doing things that haven't been done since Marshall Faulk.

Go Rams!

Like it but Gurley was the man for 2 years. I like Williams but he hasn’t touched that…..yet.
And we don’t have anything close to Pace at LT. Man I wish we had 2017-2021 Whit at LT.

 

[Juice]

I would like to get the chance to watch them on the field together for the first time ever in a regular season game than to compare them to the likes of Bruce and Holt. is it a given fact that Kupp runs better routes than Bruce or is it their systems that they both thrived in.

 

[thirteen28]

Holt, Bruce and Faulk all 4.4 track speed.

Faulk was so explosive and unstoppable with his jukes and speed. I like Kyren but he’s like 2 levels below Faulk.

The possession WR’s that Kupp and Puka are does add a different dimension that the GSOT lacked. It could be as hard to stop while being more move the chains and less explosive.

Hakim and Tutu are similar though.

Remember that Vikings divisional game?

Throw it to Bruce for an 80 yard TD then next possession same thing to Faulk. The big play stuff was unmatched.

I like this analysis.

The GSOT gave us a LOT of instant gratification. Winning the Super Bowl on a one-play, 73-yard drive was emblematic of what they were about; it was a totally GSOT way to get a Lombardi.

Kupp and Puka (I almost said Kupa and Puk) with Stafford will be a different animal. Lots of chunk plays, but longer, multi-play drives with much less instant gratification (maybe an occasional deep shot to TuTu). That's sort of how they were in 2021 as well. I think that might be better for the D too, giving them more of a breather while the O moves the chains, and I do think that benefitted the 2021 D, which I would rate above the 1999 D.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Stop drinking and posting.

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[ReekofRams]

Oh, but I'll say this: Skowronek is far more important and versatile than Proehl ever was to the overall offense. Proehl, as good as he was, isn't the blocker that Skow is, cannot play a hybrid HB/WR like Skow can.

Proehl was faster than Skowronek, ran more precise routes than Skowronek, dropped few passes than Skowronek, was more clutch than Skowronek, and was the 3rd receiver compared to Skowronek being the 5th receiver. The only thing Skowronek might do better in is jump balls. So sorry there really is no comparison.

 

[AvengerRam]

I see a big Faulking problem with that comparison.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

 

[Memento]

Proehl was faster than Skowronek, ran more precise routes than Skowronek, dropped few passes than Skowronek, was more clutch than Skowronek, and was the 3rd receiver compared to Skowronek being the 5th receiver. The only thing Skowronek might do better in is jump balls. So sorry there really is no comparison.

I never said there was a comparison. I said Skowronek was more versatile and important to this offense than Proehl was to his. Proehl - for all of his Tampa Bay heroics - barely saw the field for us in 1999 until that Tampa Bay game. I believe the Tampa game had Proehl's first reception as well. Before then, he was damn near a journeyman. Skowronek has gotten in every game, is used like a move tight end/fullback/extra blocker in many ways, and therefore is more versatile and important to this year's - and last year's - offense than Proehl was to his.

 

[RamBall]

Apples to oranges, but that doesnt mean they cant have the same results as in a ring. The biggest similarity is that both the GSOT and the GSOS had/have QBs that fit what the HC wants to do and WRs that were/are capable of exploiting a D combined with a HC that knows how to put those abilities to work. And possibly a HC that underestimates the value of the OL. Although McVay is showing signs of understanding their value, which Martz never did.

 

[TSFH Fan]

It seemed like after the turn of the century, Holt and Bruce were noticeable in their efforts to avoid contact. The going-down-early-to-avoid-contact bothered some people.

Kupp and Puka are contact guys. It's a different aesthetic. No one's going to call these guys finesse receivers and no one asked Holt/Bruce to block DEs.

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And the GSoT simply cannot be compared to; Martz, for all his faults, revolutionized football in a way that our Rams, as amazing of a coach as McVay is (in my opinion, McVay's a better coach than Vermeil and Martz), simply can't do. Yes, he's revolutionized schemes and such, but he hasn't revolutionized the game itself like the GSoT did.

I deleted a couple of my draft responses to this. It could be a topic on it's own and I think there was a thread or 200 on this.
Decided to go with this - People can say that McVay didn't revolutionize the game, but what is the effect of the McVay coaching tree/forest on the game?

Martz the revolutionary v. McVay the evolutionary?

 

[Ellard80]

like.....

What?

 

[IBruce80]

We had a discussion a few seasons ago where Goff, Kupp, Woods, Gurley were being hailed as GSOT 2.
Gurley was the closest we've had to Faulk.
Kupp is arguably the best in the league.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Kupp and Nacua on the field together, with Williams coming through as well, Stafford will think it's Christmas.