Jordan Fuller rookie of the week

[CoachAllred]

Remember all those posts about Snead's bad draft choices under Fisher? My guess is that it probably wasn't Snead. Demoff kept the right guy.

Another thing to consider is that a bad coaching staff can make a good GM
look bad.
Right now I think we have a great combination of a GM and scouting dept.
that knows talent and a coaching staff that knows how to develop it.

 

[Ramstien]

Fuller kicked Ass! I wonder if he has a Voodoo doll of Shady Brady somewhere?

 

[ramfan46]

Fuller has that "above the neck" approach that McVay covets. You can tell he's a smart pup after one sentence of him talking.
For years the Rams drafted guys that checked all of the athletic boxes, but they spent too much time learning the details of the game. Now they draft highly productive smart players that don't wow you at the combine and the results speak for themselves.
Knowing where to be helps a 4.6 guy play like a 4.4 guy.

 

[Merlin]

Unfortunately the time he's missed will probably keep him from rookie honors but if he can get a Super Bowl ring all else pales in comparison. Two best young safeties from this draft IMO are Fuller and the kid the Colts drafted forget his name. He flashed pretty hard in a couple of their games I've watched but I like our guy.

 

[…..]

He sure looked comfortable out there. This guy is going to be a great player.

 

[A.J. Hicks]

Unfortunately the time he's missed will probably keep him from rookie honors but if he can get a Super Bowl ring all else pales in comparison. Two best young safeties from this draft IMO are Fuller and the kid the Colts drafted forget his name. He flashed pretty hard in a couple of their games I've watched but I like our guy.

That Chinn in Carolina has made some plays as well.

I really thought it'd be Burgess we'd be talking about in this respect.

Fuller has been a very pleasant surprise.

 

[Merlin]

Yeah Chinn is excellent but he's a classic SS type, sort of a suped up Rapp type. Fuller can do it all at least in this defense. With him and JJ ranging deep it's fuckin nasty for a QB to put that ball up deep and I love that shit.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yeah Chinn is excellent but he's a classic SS type, sort of a suped up Rapp type. Fuller can do it all at least in this defense. With him and JJ ranging deep it's fuckin nasty for a QB to put that ball up deep and I love that shit.

Yep. Hopefully they can keep JJ in the fold. They make a great duo

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

That Chinn in Carolina has made some plays as well.

I really thought it'd be Burgess we'd be talking about in this respect.

Fuller has been a very pleasant surprise.

I also thought Burgess would be the guy we were most excited about. Maybe if he never gets injured we would have been just as excited about him now

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Remember all those posts about Snead's bad draft choices under Fisher? My guess is that it probably wasn't Snead. Demoff kept the right guy.

Well Snead is the one that passed on Bobby Wagner because he thought they could get him later.

It could be that what this coaching staff covets is helping to make Snead’s job easier. I hated Fisher’s brawn over brains approach. Snead was very pumped up on Sparq scores for a while. I think he fully bought into the physical freaks philosophy. Now he’s learned to search for a different type of player and it’s paid off. These coaches know what works and what they want. They set the criteria.

 

[Merlin]

Yeah I think Snead's strength is that he adjusts to what each staff wants. Which can be good and bad. Bad in the event you have a coach like Fish whose ego makes him think he can coach any top athlete up. But good with a staff like we have now who knows exactly what they want and allows him to focus in on the right shit.

And re: Burgess they did take him earlier for a reason. He's got that range you want he probably just didn't pick shit up as fast as Fuller did. Fuller's rise was immediate and he doesn't make a lot of mistakes so I think he's a really smart player.

 

[oldnotdead]

Burgess didn't play early because he's behind Johnson. When he did play he showed enough to know he has upsides and should work out. Fuller could be the steal of the draft. It's the way he's used by Staley that simply fits Fuller's style of play. It's why he's played so well from day one. That isn't to say Rapp is to be discounted. Rapp is that SS that all teams need. Burgess has the speed to play both FS but equally important he's got the speed and coverage skills of a CB so he can play that crucial SCB when Jalen is on the corner.

Staley's scheme really is a base nickel, by the way, it's played. That's why Rapp can be played as that second ILB who is generally in most schemes the coverage LB. When Lewis becomes the stater at DE opposite Floyd at JACK and AD and Robinson on the interior this will be an awesome 4 man front. Then add in the rotation of Kiser, Hollins, and Rivers they have LBs with safety speed. This is all in front of what IMO is the finest secondary in the NFL. Two shut down CBs in Ramsey and Williams and outstanding safeties in Rapp, Floyd, and Burgess. Once Burgess returns to the lineup he becomes their nickel SCB with 4.4 speed to match up with any Y receiver.

This will eventually be seen as a great draft. Ackers, Jefferson, Lewis, Fuller and eventually Hopkins will give them 4 starters and a rotational TE in a single draft. That's a tremendous draft by any measure. Add in Anchrum as a backup OG and you couldn't ask for more.

 

[tempests]

Remember all those posts about Snead's bad draft choices under Fisher? My guess is that it probably wasn't Snead. Demoff kept the right guy.

The Rams 1st round and day 3 draft picks and UDFAs improved instantly under Fisher and Snead. The problem was highly drafted offensive players such as Quick and Robinson not developing. Not finding impact players on offense in the draft and not being able to field a solid offensive line.

Snead bought into Fisher's vision for what his team should be, except that was a path that led to nowhere and they eventually had to admit it. McVay came in with a fresh new vision and Snead grabbed Kupp in the draft and Woods and Whitworth in free agency to bring it to fruition.

Snead has made mistakes but he has learned from them and grown and that's what a good GM does.

 

[FarNorth]

Yeah I think Snead's strength is that he adjusts to what each staff wants. Which can be good and bad. Bad in the event you have a coach like Fish whose ego makes him think he can coach any top athlete up. But good with a staff like we have now who knows exactly what they want and allows him to focus in on the right shit.

And re: Burgess they did take him earlier for a reason. He's got that range you want he probably just didn't pick shit up as fast as Fuller did. Fuller's rise was immediate and he doesn't make a lot of mistakes so I think he's a really smart player.

Fuller was a starting safety at Ohio State from the beginning of his sophomore year. Burgess I believe didn't start until his last year. The good news is that Burgess looked terrific once he got some playing time with the Rams.

These guys will be a hell of a combo if we can get them both on the field at the same time.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yeah I think Snead's strength is that he adjusts to what each staff wants. Which can be good and bad. Bad in the event you have a coach like Fish whose ego makes him think he can coach any top athlete up. But good with a staff like we have now who knows exactly what they want and allows him to focus in on the right shit.

And re: Burgess they did take him earlier for a reason. He's got that range you want he probably just didn't pick shit up as fast as Fuller did. Fuller's rise was immediate and he doesn't make a lot of mistakes so I think he's a really smart player.

McVay likes players with leadership skills, which usually equates too confidence, instincts and intelligence. That's one reason I like him and this team so much. For years I'd say for the Rams to draft good football players, not just athletes. Its a philosophy that works and keeps a team competitive. Fuller was a Captain on a good team. I recall post draft Snead mentioning Urban praising his leadership and intelligence.

Imagine what McVay could do with Marshall in this offense.

 

[FrantikRam]

View: https://media.giphy.com/media/mJR20TgK0xl2IfFn0Q/giphy.gif

As another OSU fan I'm curious what your thoughts on Fuller are?

I loved him here in Columbus, but as a player, I think his ceiling is in the solid starter range with limited upside because of his athleticism. I didn't think he'd be this good, but then I didn't think the Rams d would be this good. I think he's a perfect complement for our three studs (Ramsey, JJ and Williams) - but if/when JJ leaves, I think we would see a drop in his play.

In some ways, the talent level he's playing with is exactly what he had at OSU (compared to the competition - obviously our guys are much better than any college players)

 

[den-the-coach]

In some ways, the talent level he's playing with is exactly what he had at OSU (compared to the competition - obviously our guys are much better than any college players)

Fuller very smart player (Academic All American) that plays faster then his time speed and always has. Loved him with the Buckeyes and he's been able to adjust to the NFL game very quickly because of his ability to read and react fast (anticipate the play) as happy I was when Cooper Kupp ran a slow 40, I was just as happy when Jordan Fuller was rated lower because of his timed speed and the Los Angeles got another steal....O.H.I.O.

 

[Florida_Ram]

Jordan Fuller
PROS: Slapped together nicely. Good height and a thick frame. 40-game starter in college and is known for his exceptional character and leadership traits. Physical and aggressive playing downhill. Unquestioned toughness and he battles in pursuit and tackles with intent. Can handle most tight ends in man coverage. Fairly consistent tackler. Willing to run the alley and show up to the party.

CONS: Terribly inconsistent calculating angles and he doesn’t have the speed to makeup for misses. Doesn’t have great range and he’s likely a split zone guy. Hasn’t had as much success as you’d like playing in the box for a bigger safety. Tight hips and he’s tall in his pedal, leading to elongated transitions. Doesn’t have great anticipatory skills in coverage.

Jordan Fuller, S, Ohio State

Senior, 6'2", 205 lbs

thedraftnetwork.com

2020 NFL Draft Rankings: Top 15 Safeties Sports Illustrated

1. Grant Delpit, LSU (JR, 6'3", 213 pounds)
2. Xavier McKinney, Alabama (JR, 6'0", 201 pounds)
3. Ashtyn Davis, Cal (rSR, 6'1", 202 pounds)
4. Antoine Winfield Jr., Minnesota (rSO, 5'9", 203 pounds)
5. Jeremy Chinn, Southern Illinois (SR, 6'3", 221 pounds)

6. Kyle Dugger, Lenoir-Rhyne (SR, 6'1", 217 pounds)
7. Terrell Burgess, Utah (SR, 5'11", 202 pounds)
8. Brandon Jones, Texas (SR, 5'11", 198 pounds)
9. Julian Blackmon, Utah (SR, 6'0", 187 pounds)
10. K'Von Wallace, Clemson (SR, 5'11", 206 pounds)

11. Alohi Gilman, Notre Dame (rJR, 5'11", 201 pounds)
12. J.R. Reed, Georgia (rSR, 6'1", 202 pounds)
13. Antoine Brooks Jr., Maryland (SR, 5'11", 220 pounds)
14. Myles Dorn, North Carolina (SR, 6'2", 205 pounds)
15. L'Jarius Sneed, Louisiana Tech (SR, 6'1", 192 pounds)

2020 NFL Draft Rankings: Safeties

It's not as clear which safety should be first off the board as it is as most other defensive positions this year, but several could be taken in Round 1.

www.si.com

Jordan Fuller 2020 NFL Draft Profile

Position: Safety
Height: 6’2”
Weight: 203 Pounds
School: Ohio State

NFL Combine Performance Data

40 Yard Dash: 4.67 Seconds
Vertical Jump: 35.5 Inches
Broad Jump: 122 Inches
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.27 Seconds

Fuller landed 81 tackles and grabbed an interception in 2018, then earned First-Team All-Big Ten honors in 2019, with 62 tackles and two interceptions. He played deep most of the time at Ohio State, in a position that may not suit him in the NFL. Regardless, his off the field work, and flashes that he may have the potential to move up as a box safety should encourage scouts to take him late on day 3.

Strengths

• Team captain and team leader;
• Has potential experience playing deep zone and tracking receivers;
• Finds the football when running downhill;
• Athletic and agile across the field;
• Flashes of toughness and power when playing downhill

Weaknesses

• Relies on thinking through of plays instead of acting instinctually;
• Gets stuck when he gets too far ahead of plays;
• Too reactive to slight adjustments or quarterback eyes;
• Will not be able to perform man coverage;
• Needs stronger frame to consistently contribute at the NFL level

Jordan Fuller 2020 NFL Draft Profile

Jordan Fuller: A team leader on and off the field, Fuller has earned high regard for his professionalism. Now its time for him to adapt to the speed of the NFL.

lastwordonsports.com

JORDAN FULLER

Overview
After watching his coverage struggles in 2018, it felt like Ohio State was trying to hide him as a single-high safety in its scheme. With that said, Fuller actually stepped up and had a bounce-back season protecting against chunk passing plays and supporting the run. He doesn't have the range to play single-high in the pros and is a little thin as a box safety. He doesn't lack football intelligence or toughness, but the traits and instincts fail to stand out. Fuller could compete for a backup role as a split-safety with the potential to match up with tight ends.

Prospect Grade 5.62

5.8-5.9 Backup/special-teamer
5.5-5.6 Chance to make end of roster or practice squad

Weaknesses

• Doesn't have ideal traits for either safety spot
• Heavy legged backpedal
• Lacks desired range and long speed as free safety
• Quarterbacks manipulate him out of position with glances
• Long gather-and-drive phase from the top of his drop
• Gets lost at route stems in space
• Showed his issues with man coverage duties in 2018
• Needs to run through tackle attempts

Jordan Fuller Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Jordan Fuller NFL Draft 2020:

S20 Jordan Fuller, Ohio State

STRENGTHS

—Works best when sitting in zone coverage; can play single-high, two-deep or underneath.
—Has the size to work in man coverage against tight ends and bigger slot receivers.
—Works toward the line of scrimmage in the run game rather than sitting and waiting.
—Great angles to the ball and ball-carrier, which makes up for his slow 4.67-second 40-yard dash.

WEAKNESSES

—Slow click-and-close when the ball is in the air; has the chance to make plays but is slow to react.
—Adequate tackler but not punishing; most tackles are gang tackles.
—Too slow to play free safety but too small to play strong safety.
—Jack of all trades, master of none.

OVERALL

Fuller comes from the prolific DBU, where he became one of the leaders on a great defense. His experience and leadership in the secondary helped Ohio State keep the title of DBU and make a run at a national championship. His high football IQ will give him a chance in the NFL, but his lack of size and speed will make it hard to get a look from NFL teams.
https://bleacherreport.com

2020 Safety Rankings (Draft Countdown)
http://draftcountdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/2020SRankingsGrantDelpit.jpg

Rank	First	Last	College	Height	Weight	40-Time	Class
1	Grant	Delpit	L.S.U.	6-2 ½	213	4.50	JR
2	Xavier	McKinney	Alabama	6-0 ⅜	201	4.63	JR
3	Antoine	Winfield, Jr.	Minnesota	5-9 ⅛	203	4.45	rSO
4	Jeremy	Chinn	Southern Illinois	6-3	221	4.45	SR
5	Kyle	Dugger	Lenoir-Rhyne	6-0 ⅞	217	4.49	SR
6	Ashtyn	Davis	California	6-0 ⅞	202	4.39	rSR
7	Terrell	Burgess	Utah	5-11 ⅜	202	4.46	SR
8	Brandon	Jones	Texas	5-11 ⅛	198	4.49	SR
9	K’Von	Wallace	Clemson	5-11	206	4.53	SR
10	Kenny	Robinson, Jr.	West Virginia	6-0 ¾	202	4.46	JR
11	Julian	Blackmon	Utah	5-11 ¾	187	4.48	SR
12	J.R.	Reed	Georgia	6-0 ¾	202	4.54	rSR
13	Geno	Stone	Iowa	5-10 ⅜	207	4.62	JR
14	Josh	Metellus	Michigan	5-11	209	4.55	SR
15	Alohi	Gilman	Notre Dame	5-10 ½	201	4.60	rJR
16	Brian	Cole II	Mississippi St.	6-1 ¾	213	4.52	rSR
17	Antoine	Brooks, Jr.	Maryland	5-10 ⅝	220	4.64	SR
18	Jared	Mayden	Alabama	5-11 ⅞	201	4.45	SR
19	Grayland	Arnold	Baylor	5-9 ⅛	186	4.59	JR
20	Jordan	Fuller	Ohio St.	6-1 ⅞	203	4.67	SR

2020 NFL Draft Safety Rankings

2020 NFL Draft Safety Rankings

draftcountdown.com

 

[FarNorth]

Jordan Fuller
PROS: Slapped together nicely. Good height and a thick frame. 40-game starter in college and is known for his exceptional character and leadership traits. Physical and aggressive playing downhill. Unquestioned toughness and he battles in pursuit and tackles with intent. Can handle most tight ends in man coverage. Fairly consistent tackler. Willing to run the alley and show up to the party.

CONS: Terribly inconsistent calculating angles and he doesn’t have the speed to makeup for misses. Doesn’t have great range and he’s likely a split zone guy. Hasn’t had as much success as you’d like playing in the box for a bigger safety. Tight hips and he’s tall in his pedal, leading to elongated transitions. Doesn’t have great anticipatory skills in coverage.

Jordan Fuller, S, Ohio State

Senior, 6'2", 205 lbs

thedraftnetwork.com

2020 NFL Draft Rankings: Top 15 Safeties Sports Illustrated

1. Grant Delpit, LSU (JR, 6'3", 213 pounds)
2. Xavier McKinney, Alabama (JR, 6'0", 201 pounds)
3. Ashtyn Davis, Cal (rSR, 6'1", 202 pounds)
4. Antoine Winfield Jr., Minnesota (rSO, 5'9", 203 pounds)
5. Jeremy Chinn, Southern Illinois (SR, 6'3", 221 pounds)

6. Kyle Dugger, Lenoir-Rhyne (SR, 6'1", 217 pounds)
7. Terrell Burgess, Utah (SR, 5'11", 202 pounds)
8. Brandon Jones, Texas (SR, 5'11", 198 pounds)
9. Julian Blackmon, Utah (SR, 6'0", 187 pounds)
10. K'Von Wallace, Clemson (SR, 5'11", 206 pounds)

11. Alohi Gilman, Notre Dame (rJR, 5'11", 201 pounds)
12. J.R. Reed, Georgia (rSR, 6'1", 202 pounds)
13. Antoine Brooks Jr., Maryland (SR, 5'11", 220 pounds)
14. Myles Dorn, North Carolina (SR, 6'2", 205 pounds)
15. L'Jarius Sneed, Louisiana Tech (SR, 6'1", 192 pounds)

2020 NFL Draft Rankings: Safeties

It's not as clear which safety should be first off the board as it is as most other defensive positions this year, but several could be taken in Round 1.

www.si.com

Jordan Fuller 2020 NFL Draft Profile

Position: Safety
Height: 6’2”
Weight: 203 Pounds
School: Ohio State

NFL Combine Performance Data

40 Yard Dash: 4.67 Seconds
Vertical Jump: 35.5 Inches
Broad Jump: 122 Inches
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.27 Seconds

Fuller landed 81 tackles and grabbed an interception in 2018, then earned First-Team All-Big Ten honors in 2019, with 62 tackles and two interceptions. He played deep most of the time at Ohio State, in a position that may not suit him in the NFL. Regardless, his off the field work, and flashes that he may have the potential to move up as a box safety should encourage scouts to take him late on day 3.

Strengths

• Team captain and team leader;
• Has potential experience playing deep zone and tracking receivers;
• Finds the football when running downhill;
• Athletic and agile across the field;
• Flashes of toughness and power when playing downhill

Weaknesses

• Relies on thinking through of plays instead of acting instinctually;
• Gets stuck when he gets too far ahead of plays;
• Too reactive to slight adjustments or quarterback eyes;
• Will not be able to perform man coverage;
• Needs stronger frame to consistently contribute at the NFL level

Jordan Fuller 2020 NFL Draft Profile

Jordan Fuller: A team leader on and off the field, Fuller has earned high regard for his professionalism. Now its time for him to adapt to the speed of the NFL.

lastwordonsports.com

JORDAN FULLER

Overview
After watching his coverage struggles in 2018, it felt like Ohio State was trying to hide him as a single-high safety in its scheme. With that said, Fuller actually stepped up and had a bounce-back season protecting against chunk passing plays and supporting the run. He doesn't have the range to play single-high in the pros and is a little thin as a box safety. He doesn't lack football intelligence or toughness, but the traits and instincts fail to stand out. Fuller could compete for a backup role as a split-safety with the potential to match up with tight ends.

Prospect Grade 5.62

5.8-5.9 Backup/special-teamer
5.5-5.6 Chance to make end of roster or practice squad

Weaknesses

• Doesn't have ideal traits for either safety spot
• Heavy legged backpedal
• Lacks desired range and long speed as free safety
• Quarterbacks manipulate him out of position with glances
• Long gather-and-drive phase from the top of his drop
• Gets lost at route stems in space
• Showed his issues with man coverage duties in 2018
• Needs to run through tackle attempts

Jordan Fuller Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

Jordan Fuller NFL Draft 2020:

S20 Jordan Fuller, Ohio State

STRENGTHS

—Works best when sitting in zone coverage; can play single-high, two-deep or underneath.
—Has the size to work in man coverage against tight ends and bigger slot receivers.
—Works toward the line of scrimmage in the run game rather than sitting and waiting.
—Great angles to the ball and ball-carrier, which makes up for his slow 4.67-second 40-yard dash.

WEAKNESSES

—Slow click-and-close when the ball is in the air; has the chance to make plays but is slow to react.
—Adequate tackler but not punishing; most tackles are gang tackles.
—Too slow to play free safety but too small to play strong safety.
—Jack of all trades, master of none.

OVERALL

Fuller comes from the prolific DBU, where he became one of the leaders on a great defense. His experience and leadership in the secondary helped Ohio State keep the title of DBU and make a run at a national championship. His high football IQ will give him a chance in the NFL, but his lack of size and speed will make it hard to get a look from NFL teams.
https://bleacherreport.com

2020 Safety Rankings (Draft Countdown)
http://draftcountdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/2020SRankingsGrantDelpit.jpg

Rank	First	Last	College	Height	Weight	40-Time	Class
1	Grant	Delpit	L.S.U.	6-2 ½	213	4.50	JR
2	Xavier	McKinney	Alabama	6-0 ⅜	201	4.63	JR
3	Antoine	Winfield, Jr.	Minnesota	5-9 ⅛	203	4.45	rSO
4	Jeremy	Chinn	Southern Illinois	6-3	221	4.45	SR
5	Kyle	Dugger	Lenoir-Rhyne	6-0 ⅞	217	4.49	SR
6	Ashtyn	Davis	California	6-0 ⅞	202	4.39	rSR
7	Terrell	Burgess	Utah	5-11 ⅜	202	4.46	SR
8	Brandon	Jones	Texas	5-11 ⅛	198	4.49	SR
9	K’Von	Wallace	Clemson	5-11	206	4.53	SR
10	Kenny	Robinson, Jr.	West Virginia	6-0 ¾	202	4.46	JR
11	Julian	Blackmon	Utah	5-11 ¾	187	4.48	SR
12	J.R.	Reed	Georgia	6-0 ¾	202	4.54	rSR
13	Geno	Stone	Iowa	5-10 ⅜	207	4.62	JR
14	Josh	Metellus	Michigan	5-11	209	4.55	SR
15	Alohi	Gilman	Notre Dame	5-10 ½	201	4.60	rJR
16	Brian	Cole II	Mississippi St.	6-1 ¾	213	4.52	rSR
17	Antoine	Brooks, Jr.	Maryland	5-10 ⅝	220	4.64	SR
18	Jared	Mayden	Alabama	5-11 ⅞	201	4.45	SR
19	Grayland	Arnold	Baylor	5-9 ⅛	186	4.59	JR
20	Jordan	Fuller	Ohio St.	6-1 ⅞	203	4.67	SR

2020 NFL Draft Safety Rankings

2020 NFL Draft Safety Rankings

draftcountdown.com

But the Rams' area scout, who had followed Fuller closely for four years, insisted to the Rams brain trust that Fuller was the best safety in the draft and that the Rams had to pick him.

That's one hell of a scouting job.

 

[kurtfaulk]

But the Rams' area scout, who had followed Fuller closely for four years, insisted to the Rams brain trust that Fuller was the best safety in the draft and that the Rams had to pick him.

That's one hell of a scouting job.

I think he actually watched him play instead of putting numbers through a spreadsheet and watching a few highlights.

.