Jon Gruden to coach the Bucs in 2018?

[Corbin]

Why the Rams offensive staff? And why do you think the Rams assistants would jump at the chance to leave. How is Gruden so much better than working with McVay? It's not like this is a sinking ship. It see m s like a great gig. Based on what we have read and seen in interviews, McVay is a popular coach. He is respected and likeable. He has a great coaching style and is a great motivator. His arrow is pointing straight up.




Again, why? This LA thing is going pretty well. Seems like McVay has created a great atmosphere to work in. And why Kromer specifically? I would never trade cool, breezy Southern California, for hot, humid Tampa Bay. Plus the Rams could block a lateral move and Kroenke could afford to get in a bidding war.


I think it was @Selassie I that was rehashing Gruden's time in Tampa. It was not all glitter and roses. He seemed to have unhappy players and didn't mind throwing them under the bus. This Gruden thing is like a fantasy. It reminds me of Parcells, but I don't think he can duplicate what Parcells did.

It has nothing to do with McVay not being good etc. It has everything to do about oppurtunity and advancement.

 

[jrry32]

Why the Rams offensive staff? And why do you think the Rams assistants would jump at the chance to leave. How is Gruden so much better than working with McVay? It's not like this is a sinking ship. It see m s like a great gig. Based on what we have read and seen in interviews, McVay is a popular coach. He is respected and likeable. He has a great coaching style and is a great motivator. His arrow is pointing straight up.




Again, why? This LA thing is going pretty well. Seems like McVay has created a great atmosphere to work in. And why Kromer specifically? I would never trade cool, breezy Southern California, for hot, humid Tampa Bay. Plus the Rams could block a lateral move and Kroenke could afford to get in a bidding war.


I think it was @Selassie I that was rehashing Gruden's time in Tampa. It was not all glitter and roses. He seemed to have unhappy players and didn't mind throwing them under the bus. This Gruden thing is like a fantasy. It reminds me of Parcells, but I don't think he can duplicate what Parcells did.

Kromer coached under Gruden previously. Of all our position coaches, Kromer is the one I'd least like to lose.

 

[Loyal]

I remember Gruden compiling a hundred QB's at Tampa (ok, I exaggerate a bit!) trying to find one who could take him to the promised land. He never found him then, but I wonder if Jameis is the guy he always dreamed of? The problem for Gruden, is that there is no talented Tony Dungy created team in Tampa for him to appropriate and ride to a Super Bowl again.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

It has nothing to do with McVay not being good etc. It has everything to do about oppurtunity and advancement.

Who could advance? Shurmur to OC. Otherwise they would be lateral moves. And why would coaching under Gruden be so much more appealing than coaching under McVay?

I don't get the logic.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Kromer coached under Gruden previously. Of all our position coaches, Kromer is the one I'd least like to lose.

Me too but again why is Gruden in Tampa so much more alluring than McVay in Southern California? Coaches have a lot of buddies.

 

[Selassie I]

1st of all... I make no bones about it... I HATE Tampon Bay... nobody hates them more than me. Just wanted to make that clear right off the bat.

As for them bringing back Golden Chain (my nickname for Jon)... I hope like hell that they do.

Why???

Well,,, if you really look at his last 2 years of coaching the fucs. He sucked major ass results wise... both on the field AND off. Apparently, if those clowns are really thinking they should rehire him, they have very short memories.

Hiring Jon would be the equivalent of the Rams hiring Fisher. Jon, if he's really leaving his Monday Night gig, is only looking for his last payday before actual retirement. He's only gonna leave that MNF gig when ESPN gives him the boot... And if you look at ESPN's recent history of slashing payroll... maybe Jon knows he's done there. If that's the case, I have no doubt that he will take a final payday somewhere. He lives in Tampon... so I bet he would really love to work close to home.

He sucked when he was last coaching... that's why they FIRED his ass. His coaching isn't gonna suddenly become new and invigorating again now. His act is tired and old. He makes the best pirate faces on the planet... I'll give him that. But when it comes to coaching... his ship already sailed.

Here's to hoping that Tampon hires Golden Chain back. He will lead them on a path to dysfunction while he makes his final retirement arrangements.

LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[dieterbrock]

Me too but again why is Gruden in Tampa so much more alluring than McVay in Southern California? Coaches have a lot of buddies.

I agree.
I guess its possible that Gruden could make Kromer his OC, though that seems a stretch.
On the other hand, wasnt it in Florida that he punched a kid in the face and threatened to kill his entire family? Thinking he may want to keep a little space.....

 

[A55VA6]

I think it'd be cool if he was to coach them again, but he's been away for a while..

 

[Corbin]

Who could advance? Shurmur to OC. Otherwise they would be lateral moves. And why would coaching under Gruden be so much more appealing than coaching under McVay?

I don't get the logic.

How about Greg Olsen getting offered an OC job? Or Kromer becoming an OC?
Hell maybe even Eric Yarber.
Also with 8-12 potential HC positions available this off season I'm sure a few of those teams will interview Matt LaFLeur, John Fassel, or potentially Wade Phillips.

 

[DaveFan'51]

I have a feeling Gruden would steal some of our offensive staff if he came back.

After spending a year with McVay, and the success he's had, I don't think it would be a wise move on anybody's part to leave the Rams to start another rebuild! JMHO!

 

[Corbin]

After spending a year with McVay, and the success he's had, I don't think it would be a wise move on anybody's part to leave the Rams to start another rebuild! JMHO!

Unfortunately two things that don't work in our favor:
What you think or I think don't effect anybody's idea of pursuing higher echelons in their career and secondly there is going to be alot of teams (8-12) without a HC and plenty of positions up for grabs. I hope I'm dead wrong but have a feeling our offensive side of the ball might lose a few coaches.

 

[dieterbrock]

Unfortunately two things that don't work in our favor:
What you think or I think don't effect anybody's idea of pursuing higher echelons in their career and secondly there is going to be alot of teams (8-12) without a HC and plenty of positions up for grabs. I hope I'm dead wrong but have a feeling our offensive side of the ball might lose a few coaches.

I just dont see where any of the assistants will be HC material. McVay is calling the plays. Could one of the assistants land an OC job? Maybe.
McVay wouldnt have been a HC candidate if he didnt call the plays for 2 years

 

[Merlin]

I'd love for him to return to TB, but I hope he isn't able to take any of our staff with him (especially Kromer). I think he'd do well with the offensive talent on that team.

Kromer is going to get interest for OC regardless of whether Gruden goes after him. Rams absolutely need to be d!cks and say NO when that happens.

McVay needs to be like: "sorry Jon, I love you man but you can't have him." Then give Kromer a damn raise.

 

[Picked4td]

with so many potential HC jobs being open, I could see plenty of teams being interested in one of our assistants for an OC role. now the rams can prevent them from interviewing, but personally id hope they wouldnt do that, no matter how much id like to keep the staff together

 

[Merlin]

with so many potential HC jobs being open, I could see plenty of teams being interested in one of our assistants for an OC role. now the rams can prevent them from interviewing, but personally id hope they wouldnt do that, no matter how much id like to keep the staff together

Teams been doing that to us for a while now. There are guys you simply have to block, who are integral to your success, and Kromer is one of them. Rams have un-poachable OC and DC in McVay and Phillips, but there are other positional groups that you need to protect and the great OL coaches are among the most difficult to find commodities.

 

[Picked4td]

Teams been doing that to us for a while now. There are guys you simply have to block, who are integral to your success, and Kromer is one of them. Rams have un-poachable OC and DC in McVay and Phillips, but there are other positional groups that you need to protect and the great OL coaches are among the most difficult to find commodities.

I completely understand why you would want to block outside interest to keep your great coaches in house, but I also realize there are only so many HC/OC/DC coaching spots in the league so when you get a chance at one that could be your only chance, so I just feel like its in bad faith to keep your coach, and likely a friend, from capitalizing on that rare opportunity and trying to move up the coaching ladder like every coach dreams of doing.

 

[Corbin]

I just dont see where any of the assistants will be HC material. McVay is calling the plays. Could one of the assistants land an OC job? Maybe.
McVay wouldnt have been a HC candidate if he didnt call the plays for 2 years

LaFleur and Wade would more than likely be the only ones that get a HC interview but with so many new HC staffs they are going to put together 8-12 new crews and that creates a ton of potential for our guys to be given a bigger opportunity.

I never said it's going to happen for sure but it is a fairly decent possibility.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

How about Greg Olsen getting offered an OC job? Or Kromer becoming an OC?
Hell maybe even Eric Yarber.
Also with 8-12 potential HC positions available this off season I'm sure a few of those teams will interview Matt LaFLeur, John Fassel, or potentially Wade Phillips.

I meant Olson, mistakenly said Shurmur.

I don't think Kromer is an OC in waiting, unless it is a Fisher scheme with a run game OF and a pass game OF.. LaFluer is the OC isn't he? I think Phillips is done with head coaching, Fassell was an interim coach and STs. What are his qualifications? I don't know, but if he gets offered a position coach spot, is that really a step up? I don't think any but Olsen are likely.

But, the topic was Gruden stealing Rams coaches. I don't see why it would be so much of a lure to make a lateral move to coach with Gruden. For one his legend outweighs his reality. Two the Rams could block lateral moves. Three the Rams have a good team/family environment, where Gruden had dissension on his Tampa team. Just don't see it.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Kromer is going to get interest for OC regardless of whether Gruden goes after him. Rams absolutely need to be d!cks and say NO when that happens.

McVay needs to be like: "sorry Jon, I love you man but you can't have him." Then give Kromer a damn raise.

Do many lifelong OLine coaches become OCs? Does he have any background calling plays, or creating an offensive passing scheme? Kromer to OC sounds like a Boras move

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I completely understand why you would want to block outside interest to keep your great coaches in house, but I also realize there are only so many HC/OC/DC coaching spots in the league so when you get a chance at one that could be your only chance, so I just feel like its in bad faith to keep your coach, and likely a friend, from capitalizing on that rare opportunity and trying to move up the coaching ladder like every coach dreams of doing.

Teams can only block lateral moves. Can't stop Tassel from being a head coach for instance, or Kromer from leaving to be an OC. But if Kromer wants to go be an OC in Tampa, Demoff could block the move, with or without McVay's permission..