John Wolford

[LouisvilleRam]

What???? The guy played 1 game and 15 snaps for a total of 88. He put up 12 points with 0 TDs and 1 int (a rating of 64.5). "Playing at a high level"? To quote Eddie Harris, "compared to what?". Sure he ran 7 times for 58 yards but Perkins can do that.

Perkins mediocre stats were put up against guys that will be selling insurance and driving beer trucks after they are released. Wolford's stats were on the road in a playoff environment hard to compare the 2.

 

[PARAM]

It was also the 1st start of his career and he got us the win. A lot of players have rough 1st starts

"He got us the win"? LOL. He didn't lose it is what happened. The defense got us the win.

Wolford has a better arm, command of the offense and the staff and players believe in him. McVay was considering starting him before Goff got injured. That speaks volumes. Not many backups give the head coach that much confidence.


I think as far as backups go he's a good one. Much better than most in the league.

He's safe. Perkins didn't do enough to unseat him. Little Johnny has a way better arm than Perkins does.

In his first start in a complex offense against a team fighting for a playoff spot. Do you want Mannion back? As far as backups go he was operating the offense better than most I've seen in the past. He was seeing and using the whole field. After the game Jourdan said that is what the Rams offense is supposed to look like.

"McVay was considering starting him before Goff was injured"? I call bullshit on that. Does knowing the offense, having the confidence of his team mates and coaches, etc. count when you're stepping in for a starter? Absolutely. Does it make you a good player? No. He's a mediocre backup with limited skills. We could do worse. We could do better.

Perkins mediocre stats were put up against guys that will be selling insurance and driving beer trucks after they are released. Wolford's stats were on the road in a playoff environment hard to compare the 2.

I agree Perkins performance was against guys that will be selling insurance....until the Denver game. That was against the 1's.

Wolford did not play on the road....it was against Arizona in L.A. In a playoff environment? Sure. Lucky it was Arizona and the D held them to 7 because 4 FGs rarely wins in the playoffs.

My god the love for this guy is awesome but I fear if he had to play/start more than 1 game you'd see exactly what we have in him. A backup and a severe downgrade from the starting QB, be that Goff or Stafford.

I find it amazing fans, on one hand, can claim to see the limitations of a lineman or linebacker or CB or kicker but be blind to the limitations of a backup QB just because he's shown guts, has the confidence of his team mates and coaches and "knows the offense". A good backup QB? Yeah, as long as he doesn't have to start. The best we can hope for if he's needed is exactly what we got for 1 game last year. "Don't put the defense in a bad situation and just don't lose it". That can work for a game here or there but we're done if it's ever more than that. Ironically, on his first pass he put the defense in a shitty situation and we were down 7-0. If it wasn't for Troy Hill and the D, we would have been down 10-6 at the half (at least) instead of up 12-7. He/they saved the season and Wolford's unbelievable legacy because he didn't have to "come back" in the 2nd half.

 

[dieterbrock]

"McVay was considering starting him before Goff was injured"? I call bullshit on that

I Second that

 

[LouisvilleRam]

"He got us the win"? LOL. He didn't lose it is what happened. The defense got us the win.

"McVay was considering starting him before Goff was injured"? I call bullshit on that. Does knowing the offense, having the confidence of his team mates and coaches, etc. count when you're stepping in for a starter? Absolutely. Does it make you a good player? No. He's a mediocre backup with limited skills. We could do worse. We could do better.

I agree Perkins performance was against guys that will be selling insurance....until the Denver game. That was against the 1's.

Wolford did not play on the road....it was against Arizona in L.A. In a playoff environment? Sure. Lucky it was Arizona and the D held them to 7 because 4 FGs rarely wins in the playoffs.

My god the love for this guy is awesome but I fear if he had to play/start more than 1 game you'd see exactly what we have in him. A backup and a severe downgrade from the starting QB, be that Goff or Stafford.

I find it amazing fans, on one hand, can claim to see the limitations of a lineman or linebacker or CB or kicker but be blind to the limitations of a backup QB just because he's shown guts, has the confidence of his team mates and coaches and "knows the offense". A good backup QB? Yeah, as long as he doesn't have to start. The best we can hope for if he's needed is exactly what we got for 1 game last year. "Don't put the defense in a bad situation and just don't lose it". That can work for a game here or there but we're done if it's ever more than that. Ironically, on his first pass he put the defense in a shitty situation and we were down 7-0. If it wasn't for Troy Hill and the D, we would have been down 10-6 at the half instead of up 12-7. He/they saved the season and Wolford's unbelievable legacy because he didn't have to "come back" in the 2nd half.

McVay seems to be ok with him as the #2 so it's not just fans. Because we've seen if he's not happy with talent at a position the front office starts wheeling and dealing. You do know the stats posted included the playoff game at Seattle?

 

[snackdaddy]

I Second that

I'll 3rd that too. McVay was impressed with Wolford's ability to run. It gave a new dimension to the pass game. But there was no way he thought about starting Wolford before that game. That game is what gave McVay the idea Wolford could be an option.

I'd take Wolford over Perkins. Wolford is just as mobile but seems a bit scrappier. If Stafford goes down for a game or two we could survive with Wolford. But if it were half a season that would be really tough.

 

[PARAM]

At Seattle

Yeah he played great in that game didn't he? 3 for 6 for 29 yards, 1 sack and was out of that game after 15 snaps. You mean those stats "were on the road"? Awesome.

Come on man, the guy doesn't have a TD pass (or run) and has generated 4 FGs in 12 possessions. For fooks sake, fans wanted Goff gone because he could only generate 20 PPG. "Wolford's stats were on the road in a playoff environment" is like saying "Goff's postseason QB rating isn't better than Stafford's but his Superbowl numbers sure are".

Is Perkins a better option right now? Absolutely not. But give them an equal number of snaps in practice and it's only a matter of time. A short time.

 

[Faceplant]

Wolford has a better arm, command of the offense and the staff and players believe in him. McVay was considering starting him before Goff got injured. That speaks volumes. Not many backups give the head coach that much confidence.


I think as far as backups go he's a good one. Much better than most in the league.

He's safe. Perkins didn't do enough to unseat him. Little Johnny has a way better arm than Perkins does.

In his first start in a complex offense against a team fighting for a playoff spot. Do you want Mannion back? As far as backups go he was operating the offense better than most I've seen in the past. He was seeing and using the whole field. After the game Jourdan said that is what the Rams offense is supposed to look like.

Agree on all points. Its weird how some people get triggered at the mention of our BACKUP QB's name. It's like......weird.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

Yeah he played great in that game didn't he? 3 for 6 for 29 yards, 1 sack and was out of that game after 15 snaps. You mean those stats "were on the road"? Awesome.

Come on man, the guy doesn't have a TD pass (or run) and has generated 4 FGs in 12 possessions. For fooks sake, fans wanted Goff gone because he could only generate 20 PPG. "Wolford's stats were on the road in a playoff environment" is like saying "Goff's postseason QB rating isn't better than Stafford's but his Superbowl numbers sure are".

Is Perkins a better option right now? Absolutely not. But give them an equal number of snaps in practice and it's on

a matter of time. A short time.

Yeah he played great in that game didn't he? 3 for 6 for 29 yards, 1 sack and was out of that game after 15 snaps. You mean those stats "were on the road"? Awesome.

Come on man, the guy doesn't have a TD pass (or run) and has generated 4 FGs in 12 possessions. For fooks sake, fans wanted Goff gone because he could only generate 20 PPG. "Wolford's stats were on the road in a playoff environment" is like saying "Goff's postseason QB rating isn't better than Stafford's but his Superbowl numbers sure are".

Is Perkins a better option right now? Absolutely not. But give them an equal number of snaps in practice and it's only a matter of time. A short time.

The game against Arizona and his brief playing time against Seattle had 100 X the amount of pressure that Perkins did against waiver wire backups. Do you not think McVay doesn't see Wolford and Perkins everyday in practice. ? Oh and I love me some Jared Goff, his second half at New Orleans in the NFC Championship game was incredible and he still doesn't get enough credit for it. I like Perkins too and was glad we picked him up as a UFA last year. I saw him play a lot at UVA against UofL and in other ACC games.

 

[OldSchool]

McVay seems to be ok with him as the #2 so it's not just fans. Because we've seen if he's not happy with talent at a position the front office starts wheeling and dealing. You do know the stats posted included the playoff game at Seattle?

And yet for the first time McVay is keeping 3 QB on the active roster. Could be insurance could be because he has doubts about his #2. Could be because he likes the #3 that much. We're likely never to know. But this narrative that Wolford beat Arizona as some kind of ringing endorsement is pretty funny.

 

[blackbart]

Since Wolford has been on the roster, I think it is obvious McVay liked him enough to start if he needed to. I don’t recall seeing anything saying he thought about benching Goff but everyone saw the frustration.

Perkins isn’t looking downfield, he is seeing the rush and bailing out at the first sign of pressure. He might grow out of that but his arm is never getting better.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

And yet for the first time McVay is keeping 3 QB on the active roster. Could be insurance could be because he has doubts about his #2. Could be because he likes the #3 that much. We're likely never to know. But this narrative that Wolford beat Arizona as some kind of ringing endorsement is pretty funny.

Who said beating Arizona was a ringing endorsement?It was more impressive and a lot more pressure than settling for FG's against Denver backups in a preseason game was my point. Could be that little virus going around. Could be Stafford's and Wolford's history of nagging injuries. Perkins does show flashes of brilliance but other times you're thinking WTF( like Goff).

 

[dieterbrock]

And yet for the first time McVay is keeping 3 QB on the active roster. Could be insurance could be because he has doubts about his #2. Could be because he likes the #3 that much. We're likely never to know. But this narrative that Wolford beat Arizona as some kind of ringing endorsement is pretty funny.

IMO, keeping 3 this season means there's a competition for #2 next off season.
Furthermore, again, just my .02, but if McVay allegedly saw all these positive attributes in Wolford, why couldnt figure out a way to get him on the field until Goff got injured? Seems to me they found out what JW could do when he actually played.
Next level, if we see packages designed for Perkins, then it may not take until next year

 

[OldSchool]

Who said beating Arizona was a ringing endorsement?It was more impressive and a lot more pressure than settling for FG's against Denver backups in a preseason game was my point. Could be that little virus going around. Could be Stafford's and Wolford's history of nagging injuries. Perkins does show flashes of brilliance but other times you're thinking WTF( like Goff).

I’m guessing you didnt watch the game vs Denver with Von Miller and the defensive starters out the on the road. But hey if fewer field goals against a worse defense at home is impressive then that fine I guess. But this narrative that Wolford was good vs Arizona or Seattle just doesn’t match the game film.

 

[Kupped]

I’m guessing you didnt watch the game vs Denver with Von Miller and the defensive starters out the on the road. But hey if fewer field goals against a worse defense at home is impressive then that fine I guess. But this narrative that Wolford was good vs Arizona or Seattle just doesn’t match the game film.

Wolford passed for 200+ and ran for 50+ in his first NFL start. No one had done that before.

 

[OldSchool]

Wolford passed for 200+ and ran for 50+ in his first NFL start. No one had done that before.

You’re right he’s great I’ll stop giving my opinion on him since he accomplished such an amazing win.

Yes this is blue font sarcasm

 

[Kupped]

You’re right he’s great I’ll stop giving my opinion on him since he accomplished such an amazing win.

Yes this is blue font sarcasm

Just giving some context.
He looked good to me, they won, McVay really likes him, and he accomplished something that's never been done by another NFL QB in his first start.
Not saying he's "great", just saying there's plenty to like about the kid and to feel good about with him as a backup. I mean, I feel light years better than I did with Mannion.

 

[blackbart]

I’m guessing you didnt watch the game vs Denver with Von Miller and the defensive starters out the on the road. But hey if fewer field goals against a worse defense at home is impressive then that fine I guess. But this narrative that Wolford was good vs Arizona or Seattle just doesn’t match the game film.

Denver’s defense in a preseason game that had a few starters in for part of the game is not a better defense.

 

[PARAM]

Perkins isn’t looking downfield, he is seeing the rush and bailing out at the first sign of pressure. He might grow out of that but his arm is never getting better.

That's not what I saw. I also saw Perkins can take an NFL hit, get up and play some more. Same can't be said of Wolford

Who said beating Arizona was a ringing endorsement? It was more impressive and a lot more pressure than settling for FG's against Denver backups in a preseason game was my point. Could be that little virus going around. Could be Stafford's and Wolford's history of nagging injuries. Perkins does show flashes of brilliance but other times you're thinking WTF( like Goff).

Denver played the 1's the entire first half. Unless Von Miller is a backup.

I don't know about other fans but to me there's a huge difference between "beating Arizona" and "not losing the game to Arizona". Our defense scored more TDs than our Wolford-led offense.

But let's face it, no matter what team we're talking about, if the backup is playing, they're screwed. Wolford isn't any different than Brandon Allen or any other scrub backup. There are other guys I'd rather have at backup including C.Daniel and Ryan Finley.......and in another month or so, Bryce Perkins.

 

[Merlin]

Who said beating Arizona was a ringing endorsement?It was more impressive and a lot more pressure than settling for FG's against Denver backups in a preseason game was my point. Could be that little virus going around. Could be Stafford's and Wolford's history of nagging injuries. Perkins does show flashes of brilliance but other times you're thinking WTF( like Goff).

As usual fans polarize with QBs. It's some strange shit. "Oh he replaced the QB I love for a game, well no matter what he does he's shit."

Truth is that win over Arizona was a huge win for Wolford and his young career. And it was big for the Rams too because it put us in the playoffs. Now a fan may not be impressed by how he did it. But he won the game. The guy is smart and gets through his reads and can handle the entire offensive scheme playsheet with some anticipation which is the heart of why McVay likes him so much. His limitations are his arm and his recklessness. But he's a good QB to have on your bench and both those things can be coached and schemed around IF he has to play for more than a game or two.

Same thing with Perkins. Those games were a big deal to his young career. The guy got through reads which is a big transition for a young QB to show they can do that. He obviously had a grasp of a good amount of the playsheet too, because McVay's reaction was to not play Duck in that game and to cut him thereafter. It was preseason so not like he's getting tested on his reads like a season game but his calmness was really nice to see in that pocket. The guy is unflappable and a better runner than Wolford, more self preservation which is important.

We're actually in good shape at QB. Better than we were last year because both Wolford and Perkins have more experience and knowledge behind what is a better starter too. You'd think fans would be happy fuck. This is why we can't have nice things. I swear if I die and wake up in hell it will be an endless QB thread.