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I get it.
Jadeveon Clowney looking for ‘market-setting money’
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Honestly this isn't a conversation about how money is spent or what politics i belong to. I feel how I feel. Doesn't mean I dont love sports, music, movies etc, it means I dont see them as someone I look up to or aspire to be like. I look at them as hey it's cool you get a play ball with your buds but I dont feel it's something they should make more money than say a firefighter. Just my opinion of course.
I see the argument about owners making millions so should the players. I agree to a point but I'm not talking about contracts or the CBA. This was purely about entitled behavior from overrated players. Lol that's literally how this convo got started and how fast it transitioned to something completely unrelated.
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I get it. The last thing we want to hear about is athletes making millions complaining about how little money they make. Nobody feels sorry for them.
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Rams are losing some key players, but adding comp picks
By Kenneth Arthur
www.turfshowtimes.com
Why players like Jadeveon Clowney may also be seeing less of a market than they had wanted
The Los Angeles Rams were not expected to be active during 2020 free agency because of all the moves, extensions, and signings they had done prior to now that left them with little salary cap space. So the fact that they have not made any new additions yet is not surprising and we should not expect them to be heavily active with any high profile outside free agent signings.
Which should at least net them some good compensatory picks in the draft next year.
In thinking about the fact that Jadeveon Clowney remains unsigned, with few rumors at this point, I of course had to consider the compensatory pick factor. It’s not just that a team signing Clowney may have to pay him $20 million per season, but they’d also have to factor in whether it costs them a third round compensatory pick. Take the Dallas Cowboys for instance, a team rumored to be interested in Clowney right now.
They gave Dak Prescott the franchise tag and signed Amari Cooper to a new deal, but they also lost Byron Jones to the Miami Dolphins on a contract that pays him $17 million per year. The Cowboys are in line for a third round comp pick because of Jones, but signing Clowney offsets the loss and they lose the pick. Clowney costs them money and draft capital. Even the fact that Dallas is also likely getting a third rounder for Robert Quinn should not preclude them from weighing Clowney’s comp pick penalty.
To the Seattle Seahawks, Clowney only costs money, unless he signs with another team, then he is worth a third round compensatory pick to them. So whether it’s the Cowboys or the Seahawks, Clowney is negotiating with a team that must also think, “but third round pick.”
As obsessive as many fans (and GMs) have become with compensatory picks, it’s interesting to think what it costs the players and agents in terms of time, options, and money. I haven’t followed baseball as closely in the last decade as I have football, but I believe MLB ran into similar issues with their free agents. The NFL isn’t seeing players of this caliber remain on the market for as long as baseball did, but the Seahawks waited until May 10 of last year to sign Ezekiel Ansah because of the comp pick penalty.
I don’t expect Clowney to wait two months — and given the state of things right now, I don’t know that any players are being advised to “wait” for what could be a critically important signing bonus at the moment — but it could be impacting his market in a negative way.
One could even wonder if the Rams would like to be involved in Clowney negotiations at a time when his market is more depressed than he and many others expected it to be. Despite their limited cap space — currently projected at $15.5 million at overthecap.com, though many considerations need to be made that would instantly cut that number in half, at least — I suspect that LA could make one of the best pitches to Clowney to join them over other clubs. Les Snead and Sean McVay have already attracted some of the most talented players to the Rams in the last three years, Clowney might see a Dante Fowler light at the end of a one or two-year tunnel.
But it’s not just money that they have to consider.
I use Clowney as an example because he’s the most obvious remaining case of a player who may factor into the third round compensatory pick formula, perhaps only rivaled by Fowler or however the NFL ends up viewing Jameis Winston, not necessarily because I believe there’s a strong connection between him and the Rams. Surely he could fit into the defense, especially if Fowler exits, but I’m actually more of a Clowney skeptic than most. I was wondering if he’d be disappointed by the market if teams were as skeptical as I am, but I figured that it wouldn’t happen because franchises like the Detroit Lions exist.
But part of it also has to be the compensatory pick considerations too.
For some teams, they wouldn’t have to make that consideration at all because they didn’t lose any notable free agents. However, free agency is never as simple as fitting a player onto the depth chart. You start out with 32 teams to choose from but that can quickly be cut down to only five or six teams that actually make sense. With the compensatory pick considerations, this may reduce the options once again and we should assume that Los Angeles is one of those teams that loses some interest because of it. This could be good for the Rams in 2021, but may contribute to slower efforts right now.
By Kenneth Arthur
LA Rams in line for comp pick haul in 2021 if they limit moves now
Why players like Jadeveon Clowney may also be seeing less of a market than they had wanted
www.turfshowtimes.com
The Los Angeles Rams were not expected to be active during 2020 free agency because of all the moves, extensions, and signings they had done prior to now that left them with little salary cap space. So the fact that they have not made any new additions yet is not surprising and we should not expect them to be heavily active with any high profile outside free agent signings.
Which should at least net them some good compensatory picks in the draft next year.
In thinking about the fact that Jadeveon Clowney remains unsigned, with few rumors at this point, I of course had to consider the compensatory pick factor. It’s not just that a team signing Clowney may have to pay him $20 million per season, but they’d also have to factor in whether it costs them a third round compensatory pick. Take the Dallas Cowboys for instance, a team rumored to be interested in Clowney right now.
They gave Dak Prescott the franchise tag and signed Amari Cooper to a new deal, but they also lost Byron Jones to the Miami Dolphins on a contract that pays him $17 million per year. The Cowboys are in line for a third round comp pick because of Jones, but signing Clowney offsets the loss and they lose the pick. Clowney costs them money and draft capital. Even the fact that Dallas is also likely getting a third rounder for Robert Quinn should not preclude them from weighing Clowney’s comp pick penalty.
To the Seattle Seahawks, Clowney only costs money, unless he signs with another team, then he is worth a third round compensatory pick to them. So whether it’s the Cowboys or the Seahawks, Clowney is negotiating with a team that must also think, “but third round pick.”
As obsessive as many fans (and GMs) have become with compensatory picks, it’s interesting to think what it costs the players and agents in terms of time, options, and money. I haven’t followed baseball as closely in the last decade as I have football, but I believe MLB ran into similar issues with their free agents. The NFL isn’t seeing players of this caliber remain on the market for as long as baseball did, but the Seahawks waited until May 10 of last year to sign Ezekiel Ansah because of the comp pick penalty.
I don’t expect Clowney to wait two months — and given the state of things right now, I don’t know that any players are being advised to “wait” for what could be a critically important signing bonus at the moment — but it could be impacting his market in a negative way.
One could even wonder if the Rams would like to be involved in Clowney negotiations at a time when his market is more depressed than he and many others expected it to be. Despite their limited cap space — currently projected at $15.5 million at overthecap.com, though many considerations need to be made that would instantly cut that number in half, at least — I suspect that LA could make one of the best pitches to Clowney to join them over other clubs. Les Snead and Sean McVay have already attracted some of the most talented players to the Rams in the last three years, Clowney might see a Dante Fowler light at the end of a one or two-year tunnel.
But it’s not just money that they have to consider.
The Rams have already seen Cory Littleton exit on a three-year, $35.25 million deal with the Las Vegas Raiders and Michael Brockers sign for $30 million over three years with the Baltimore Ravens. Typically these deals would seem more modest by comparison but it goes along with the current trend of 3-4 year deals. Both of those contracts are also supposed to be less than what Fowler should sign for, whenever he signs, and that gives LA as many as three comps for next year. It may even be that Greg Zuerlein signs for enough to add to the pool too.
I use Clowney as an example because he’s the most obvious remaining case of a player who may factor into the third round compensatory pick formula, perhaps only rivaled by Fowler or however the NFL ends up viewing Jameis Winston, not necessarily because I believe there’s a strong connection between him and the Rams. Surely he could fit into the defense, especially if Fowler exits, but I’m actually more of a Clowney skeptic than most. I was wondering if he’d be disappointed by the market if teams were as skeptical as I am, but I figured that it wouldn’t happen because franchises like the Detroit Lions exist.
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But part of it also has to be the compensatory pick considerations too.
For some teams, they wouldn’t have to make that consideration at all because they didn’t lose any notable free agents. However, free agency is never as simple as fitting a player onto the depth chart. You start out with 32 teams to choose from but that can quickly be cut down to only five or six teams that actually make sense. With the compensatory pick considerations, this may reduce the options once again and we should assume that Los Angeles is one of those teams that loses some interest because of it. This could be good for the Rams in 2021, but may contribute to slower efforts right now.
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I find it oddly satisfying to see a player like Clowney price himself out of the market. And if he's stupid enough to stay in that defense on a short term deal it will get even better.
What he should do is sign a cheap one year deal with a 3-4 team who has a dominant 3T and open spot at ROLB, where he'll go the F off with sacks and parlay that into a fat contract on the market. Hmm wonder what team that would be...
What he should do is sign a cheap one year deal with a 3-4 team who has a dominant 3T and open spot at ROLB, where he'll go the F off with sacks and parlay that into a fat contract on the market. Hmm wonder what team that would be...
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If he wants market setting money the only way that’s going to happen is if he takes a one year deal somewhere he’ll have a chance at great stats and actually stays healthy for an entire season. Otherwise, he’s dreaming.
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Rams could use him. If the Rams can't have him I hope he gets out of the division. It is amazing how he grades out at 87.3 with only 22 solo tackles and 3 sacks. I guess teams don't run at him much and he can be disruptive.
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2019 PLAYER GRADES
EDGE
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87.3
RUN DEFENSE
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Jadeveon Clowney | Carolina Panthers ED | NFL and PFF stats
NFL and PFF player stats for Carolina Panthers ED Jadeveon Clowney on Pro Football Focus.
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EDGE
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87.3
RUN DEFENSE
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| SOLO TACKLES | 22 |
| ASSISTS | 4 |
| FORCED FUMBLES | 3 |
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| SACKS | 3 |
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Seahawks' Reported One-Year Offer to Jadeveon Clowney is as Insulting as it Gets
Jadeveon Clowney probably isn't returning to the Seattle Seahawks after their latest lowball contract offer of just one year.
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Seahawks' Reported One-Year Offer to Jadeveon Clowney is as Insulting as it Gets
The only true marquee free agent still on the market on the defensive side of the ball is Jadeveon Clowney. The standout pass rusher is seeking around $20 million per season after spending 2019 with the Seattle Seahawks.
While Seattle is making an effort to re-sign Clowney, they aren't exactly trying to break the bank, as they only offered him a reported one-year contract worth around $15 million. According to the latest buzz, Clowney's chances of returning to Seattle are therefore "slim to none."
Clowney recorded three sacks last year, but the more telling stats that show his true impact are his four forced fumbles and 13 quarterback hits, both of which led the Seahawks. It's hard to blame him if he was taken aback by such a lowball proposal.
The New York Jets and Cleveland Browns have both shown a degree of interest in the former All-Pro edge man, as have the Dallas Cowboys, who are looking for sack artists they can trust to replace the departed Robert Quinn.
All told, Clowney's stubborn demand for $20 million per year is the only reason one of the best pass rushers in the NFL has yet to sign a contract. Despite how dominant he was at times last year, his time in Seattle appears to have come to a close, but that doesn't mean he won't have to relent on his price tag a bit in order to get the right deal done.
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They keep saying they won't pay him. Sounds like the Browns will tho
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Seahawks' Reported One-Year Offer to Jadeveon Clowney is as Insulting as it Gets
Jadeveon Clowney probably isn't returning to the Seattle Seahawks after their latest lowball contract offer of just one year.
Seahawks' Reported One-Year Offer to Jadeveon Clowney is as Insulting as it Gets
The only true marquee free agent still on the market on the defensive side of the ball is Jadeveon Clowney. The standout pass rusher is seeking around $20 million per season after spending 2019 with the Seattle Seahawks.
While Seattle is making an effort to re-sign Clowney, they aren't exactly trying to break the bank, as they only offered him a reported one-year contract worth around $15 million. According to the latest buzz, Clowney's chances of returning to Seattle are therefore "slim to none."
Clowney recorded three sacks last year, but the more telling stats that show his true impact are his four forced fumbles and 13 quarterback hits, both of which led the Seahawks. It's hard to blame him if he was taken aback by such a lowball proposal.
The New York Jets and Cleveland Browns have both shown a degree of interest in the former All-Pro edge man, as have the Dallas Cowboys, who are looking for sack artists they can trust to replace the departed Robert Quinn.
All told, Clowney's stubborn demand for $20 million per year is the only reason one of the best pass rushers in the NFL has yet to sign a contract. Despite how dominant he was at times last year, his time in Seattle appears to have come to a close, but that doesn't mean he won't have to relent on his price tag a bit in order to get the right deal done.
I scanned the article to see if he used those words. He didn't, the editor decided to add it to the headline, trying to make him look bad.
I'm what day and age is an offer of $15m for one season insulting?
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