Is the NFL broken?

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Watched Rodgers 3 second TD after SF opened with a TD, turned it off and watched a show with my wife - checked back at 30-23 9ers with 3 minutes left. And told Mari GB Wins with a FG.

Went back to our show, checked back to the game, and guess what?

I have found myself at times watching other games and saying "this game is going back and forth and might as well just watch the 4th quarter of this one".

Now, normally I'd be interested in the intricacies of the game... I.e how a team is playing and the strategy they've deployed in the match-up.

But it sort of supports the general theme in this thread that the game is geared more toward fantasy type fans or today's short attention span society in general.

I dunno, some may argue that was a smart adaption by the NFL.

Me personally, I'm more into the old school game where strategy and piviotol plays are the excitement. Not just running up the score.

Edit: I don't know how to address the concerns about the refs impacting outcomes of games. But boy I sure find myself looking for flags most every good play.
 

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I disagree.

Look at our Rams - very talented defense.

Did the rules allow a bum like Tyler Locket to burn Peters multiple times?

Did the rules lead to several coverage breakdowns that left Emanuel Sanders wide open?

Did the rules allow the Seahawks to run the ball down our throats?

We've seen bad defense up close and personal, and it has nothing to do with rule changes. The Ravens and Cowboys seem to be doing just fine on defense.



As for Fantasy Football - I expect in the years to come someone will actually do the numbers on this, but I'm willing to bet it has made the NFL about 10x more popular. So it doesn't really make sense to rag on it.

It also has made games - and even down to plays - more interesting that otherwise wouldn't be. If someone was locked in a close fantasy match up in week 1 and mistakenly started Lesean McCoy, that person may have actually watched the 2nd half of the Bills and Ravens just to see if they would get any fantasy points out of McCoy. That type of impact is beyond important.

Having said that, I don't think the rule changes have all that much to do with fantasy football - they have to do with QBs, and it makes sense. If you're an owner who is going to pay your QB 10-15% of your cap, wouldn't you want rules in place to not only keep them safe, but make them more successful?
 

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A lot of good points brought up on this thread. And I agree with most of them. It seems the NFL is a reflection of the state of society, a microcosm of change and quick gratification. It's always been a copycat league and look at how many O's are using Sean McVay style play calling already. The Jet Sweep is in every O now and Snap count and Play Action are all the rage. But the biggest change is seemingly the apparent mandate to officials to not call HOLDING as often in the past. There could be many reasons for that such as the desire for increased scoring, increased protection for QBs, and to equalize games. We all know holding goes on every play in football and often is hard to see but it seems blatant in today's game. There's definitely a reason for it. Is it orchestrated or a reaction to another variable? Are we 6-0 because of it or in spite of it? Perspective is a bitch sometimes. :thinking:
 

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If you loved football in its first 50 years, then its been broken for a long time.

Change is the only constant. The NFL has always been changing and adapting and if it ever stops, thats when it will be "broken".
Until then, we just have to hope it makes the right adaptations.
 

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So unless somebody agrees with you they aren't a fan of the sport? Come on man everybody watches things for different reasons.
Well I think he's just stating his opinion and I'll elaborate on that point. For me watching NFL football through the decades, watching all the dominant D's battle the dominant O's was something to see! There was always a yen-yang! Yes, you had those games of 9-3 occasionally, but there were still always high scoring games as well. You appreciated it more when your offense did go off because it wasn't common place and it was hard fought!
Don't get me wrong I do enjoy offense but I feel they are handicapping defenses way too much and messing with the essence of the game!
Every offense is scoring 40 burgers and 4-6 TDs?!
It's just not as special when every team is accomplishing massive production!
This all started with head injuries concerns which is valid but it's just gone to the extreme!
The greatest show on turf was special because what they were doing was unique and rare!
 

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Atlanta Falcons at Buffalo Bills, 10/16/1977. When I looked up this game, it turns out that today is the 41st anniversary.
One of the best NFL games I watched as a teenager. Buffalo won by a score of 3 - 0. Watching 2 elite defenses slug it out for 60 minutes was exciting. Of course, this was before actually playing defense was determined to be illegal.
 

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For me, and I'm speaking only for myself, I can enjoy any style or type of game as long as it's interesting. It doesn't have to be a high scoring game, it can be a good defensive battle and still be fun to watch. As long as it isn't a sloppy game I'm ok with any type of contest. I love the sport.

I'm also fine with pretty much all of the rules changes, off the top of my head I can't think of one I really dislike. I do wish the refs were better because IMO that's really the only big problem I see with todays NFL product. Some rules need to be whittled down for easier interpretation. I could ad the amount of commercials, but that isn't actually "part of the sport" so to speak.

I think the constant complaining about the high scores is getting a little silly. As posted by @Ellard80 right now the average is 24 PPG. Hardly video game territory. And that will likely come down.

Every year for so many years this seems to come up and I don't know why it "ruins" the game for some people. It's not that big of an increase unless you go back to the days before the forward pass was implemented.

See for yourself.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/scoring.htm

This has as much merit as the narrative that they are "pussifying" the sport with rules to protect players. It's an overblown stance.
 

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Interesting little fact for you. Right now the NFL is on pace to have more sacks this year than last year yet supposedly you can't sack the QB. This is exactly what the NFL wants, more excitement in their opinions for the fans.

interesting fact but is it because there are more pass attempts wonder what the % of sacks per attempt is
 

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I mean, I am curious - who really enjoys this current brand of football, outside of cheering for the Rams?

28 QB's right now have a completion percentage >61%
Drew Brees completing 78% of his passes

Watching GB-SF right now:

CJ Beatherd 8-9, 178 yards, 2 TD
Rodgers 11-20, 222 yards

The rules have made it impossible to play defense at a high level for a sustained period of time.

I just miss football when it wasn't like a video game.

I am in the same camp as you are.It USED to be growing up that I ALWAYS tuned into monday night football all the time in the 80's and 90's but NOW the game has gotten so corrupt now that if its not the Rams on,I wont watch NFL football anymore.Rams are the ONLY one i care to tune into now. For me though my reasons are different.I have two of them.

Other than the Rams of course I am sick of all these NFL relocations,that teams are able to move at the drop of a dime and the NFL now has brand new shiny stadiums as their priority over history and tradition. Rams have the history here in LA so THEIR relocation made sense,Chargers and Raiders dont make any sense in the least other than its a money grab to line the NFL owners pockets in relocation fees.:mad:

second reason is The new england CHEATRIOTS get away with scandal after scandal and never get punished for their actions.they have tainted the sport for me and many others around the country like no other scandal since the black sox scandal.There have been other NFL teams that have been punished for far LESSER offenses than them.whats worse is the owners of the other teams are not protesting their scandals and calling for the removal of robert kraft and for bray and belicheck to be banned from the NFL.:mad:
 
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I just miss football when it wasn't like a video game.

It is a little ridiculous how the pendulum has swung towards the offense. IMHO, the league should absolutely work to adjust this down a tad.

Having said that, given the choice of the 2 extremes I'd choose this vs a punt fest. If I wanted ALL defense and no scoring, I'd watch soccer.

"The scores from today's matches (all in extra time): NIL-NIL......1-NIL....NIL-NIL"

No thanks.
 

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Nah. Not broken. But some rule changes are necessary. Defensive holding and illegal contact should not be automatic first downs.
 

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interesting fact but is it because there are more pass attempts wonder what the % of sacks per attempt is
Interesting fact though its perceived to be this huge jump in passes but they’re averaging 2 more passes a game over last year. Not nearly as much as people seem to think. Last year QBs were sacked 6.4% of drop backs it’s at 6.5% so far this year. Everybody thinks you can’t hit the QB but they are getting hit more than last year though it’s not a huge increase.
 

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I have never enjoyed basketball. There is no defense. I used to love the Magic Johnson Lakers because they scored lots of points even though the league still valued defense at the time. It made the scoring and dominance by my team even sweeter.

I don't like the high scoring college football games. 48 to 45 finishes are only exciting in the final minutes. I prefer some defense mixed with offense.


Part of why I am a Rams fan is because I like a great defense. The Rams teams of the 70's were what I fell in love with. Watching your team shut down another teams offense is fantastic IMO. Sure I enjoy the Rams having a complete team, but just like when I watched the Magic led Lakers, it's more fun knowing that your teams offense is unstoppable when defense still exists.

Yep... when those Lakers would score 140 on the Celtics or Pistons, you knew it was no joke because the paint was sacred territory and you could be decapitated for driving it (see Kurt Rambis...)

Nowadays, teams score 120 and it's all this iso stuff... And I thought the pick and roll was boring...

I agree and like great offense, but only in the presence of great defense. That's when we have a true contest.

Heck, they could change the rules so that NFL scores looked more like Arena Football scores, but I'd sure rather they didn't...
 

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Tell me the rules, give me an even playing field, and it's fine. Fail one of those and I lose interest.

Yeah, I don't really care what the rules are, per se.

I just don't like refs making judgment calls. The calls should be clear in all, but the rarest of circumstances.

Unfortunately, NFL refereeing is now fully akin to the MLB strike zone before Fox, I think it was, put up the digital strike zone. After the first season of that, we've seen the strike zone become remarkably more stable from game to game and less of an issue of which Ump is behind home plate.

NFL refereeing otoh, is in the worst spot because we have so much tech to show all the stuff they're missing, but a tremendous antipathy to actually utilize that tech.

Which once again, feeds the conspiracy that the NFL plays to a narrative and that while "fixed" is a strong word...maybe "directed outcomes" is better.

I mean, the refs can't make a kicker make a fg (now more than ever, that's true) and when someone breaks a long run or takes a short pass to the house, it's beyond obvious when a late flag comes in after the play and people talk about it now.

I will say this. The last officiating strike wasn't ended because the replacement refs sucked. I mean, they did at first, but it ended because they were getting much, much better. The week before the strike ended was one of the best officiated weeks I can remember with NONE of this home cooking crap and none of this "directed" stuff.

So, even if there is no direction from the NFL offices and certain refs, there continues to be this mountain of circumstantial evidence.

So, I'm with you, @RAMblin Man , give us a game with integrity and I'll watch if it's 3-0 or 53-50.

Just let me know that the game's outcome is a function of the skill, execution and talents of both teams along with the luck factor that accompanies playing a game with an oblong ball.
 

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Is the NFL broken?... Y-E-S!. Defense has been handicapped with all the rule changes. It seems the league wants offense, offense and more offense.
 

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I no more want to see 43-40 every week than I do 6-3 each week...I just want to see an even playing field and I don't feel like I see one now...
 

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Troy Vincent, with a straight face, said Tom Brady stepped up in the pocket and broke free from the guy trying to sack him. That the player didn't let him go for fear of a flag.

Troy Vincent is a douche.

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https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/16/defenses-struggling-record-points-yards-defensive-backs-new-rules

Why Do NFL Defenses Stink?
By JENNY VRENTAS

Bill Belichick wore a look of disgust and bewilderment, like he smelled something bad but couldn’t quite tell where it was coming from. It was late in the fourth quarter of Sunday night’s showdown between the top two teams in the AFC, and the Chiefs had just completed their comeback, evening the score at 40 with a one-play, 12-second drive that consisted of a 75-yard TD pass from Patrick Mahomes to Tyreek Hill.

Belichick is famous for his emotionless demeanor on the sidelines, but this rankled expression had presented other times throughout the night, including on another of Hill’s three touchdown catches. This particular score featured the speedy wideout slicing across the Patriots defense on a deep crossing route, then outracing the safeties as he sprinted through the end zone.

“I'd just say that was just bad defense, bad coaching, bad playing, bad everything,” Belichick told the New England media on his Monday morning conference call.

Sunday night’s game was a gem by almost any standard—unless you expected the defenses to show up too. And that’s been the story of 2018. Six weeks into the season, points per game, yards per game and yards per play are at all-time highs.

The teams with the three best records in the NFL (the 6-0 Rams, 5-1 Chiefs and 4-1 Saints) all have offensive-minded head coaches; one defensive coordinator, Tampa Bay’s Mike Smith, has already been fired after his unit gave up nearly 35 points per game over the first five weeks of the season. What in the name of the ’85 Bears has happened to good defense?

In posing that question to multiple current and former NFL coaches, the responses were similar: “How much time do you have?” Or, “That’s a much longer conversation.”

There are certainly plenty of reasons for the current offensive explosion, which The MMQB’s Albert Breer detailed earlier this month, among them QB talent, rules that give the advantage to offensive players and college-style offensive concepts that scheme players wide open in space. But, as the well-worn NFL cliché goes, the guys on the other side of the ball get paid, too. Why have so few teams been able to match good offense with good defense?

It sounds boring, but several coaches point to a decline in fundamentals, which often shows up in the form of a busted coverage and a big play for the opponent. There’s less teaching and practice time under the current CBA than in decades past, yes.

But interestingly, a few coaches also identified a strain by defensive coordinators to do too much or get too cute with their schemes, perhaps in an effort to match wits with evolving offenses. That can come at the expense, they said, of putting the emphasis on teaching techniques like how to split a double team, or defending a pass without drawing a flag for PI or defensive holding.

“Very few DBs know how to play the ball in the air without reaching, grabbing, tackling or holding a receiver,” one coach says. “They never turn and look for the football.”

Coaches have to teach players how to play both physically and mentally, and that includes adjusting to rule changes. It’s certainly true that recently added rules, from the defenseless player protections to the roughing-the-passer restrictions (including the now-infamous body-weight emphasis) have restricted the ways in which defensive players can use their bodies to stop offensive players from making a play.

One pivotal moment Sunday night was when Chiefs linebacker Breeland Speaks had Tom Brady wrapped up then let him go, resulting in Brady scrambling into the end zone for a four-yard touchdown. Speaks said afterward, per the Kansas City Star, that he thought Brady had released the ball and let him go because he didn’t want to get penalized for roughing the passer.

But it’s also true that these rules aren’t going to be changed back, and this is where teaching good fundamentals becomes even more important. The Rams, as one example, do drills with tackling dummies where they practice wrapping up the QB and spinning around so that they wouldn’t land with their body weight on top of him.

Another question is why offenses seem to benefit from speed more than defenses do. Sure, there might not be another person in the NFL faster than Hill, who has been clocked in the 4.2 range in his 40-yard dash. But there are plenty of good athletes on both sides of the ball. Two of Hill’s three TDs on Sunday night came on deep crossing routes on which defenders never had a chance.

How do you stop these? Deep crossers are designed to be man coverage beaters, giving an advantage to the offense by negating a defender’s speed, because he’s put in a position where he’s chasing the receiver across the formation. On Hill’s 14-yard TD in the third quarter, Patriots safety Devin McCourty was left in this unenviable position. On Hill’s 75-yard score, safety Duron Harmon was turned the opposite direction as Hill streaked across the field to make the wide-open catch and then turned on his jets.

But anticipation and good positioning can give the defense an advantage. A key component of former Ravens safety Ed Reed’s Hall of Fame career was the way he’d defend what they called these Speedo deep crossers.

Alerted to a certain guy playing a certain spot—in this case, Hill lined up as the second or third receiver in from the outside of the formation—Reed would switch responsibilities with the cornerback from his deep middle safety spot, leaving him in prime position to jump the route. The idea is that if a receiver is running away from one defender and toward another, it only makes sense to pass him off.

No doubt, offensive explosions are crowd-pleasers. But for those who love defense, much of the 2018 season has been hard to watch. “So disgusted by defenses in the league I can’t stand it,” ESPN analyst Louis Riddick, who played under Belichick in Cleveland, tweeted during the game. And grumbled one longtime defensive coach, “Some of the worst football I’ve ever seen.” Sentiments that pair perfectly with the look on Belichick’s face.
 

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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...ring-low-margin-victory-parity-dallas-cowboys

It’s Time to Get Used to the Weird, Unpredictable, High-Scoring NFL
Scoring is up. Scoring margins are down. The Cowboys can look lost on offense one week, and then hang 40 on the best defense in the league the next. This version of pro football is here to stay.
By Kevin Clark

League executives in New York have an ideal formula for high television ratings. They’ve explained it to me, simply, as: more points and a close margin of victory. That seems obvious, but it’s not easy to get there.

If you watched, say, Eli Manning or Blake Bortles on most Sundays and then also watched Patrick Mahomes II or Jared Goff, you would not think that this is a league where every team is bunched together. You would also not think that the mere presence of a handful of Bortles-esque entities would be enough to keep scoring down leaguewide. You’d also be wrong on both counts.

This season has been the NFL’s dream. Heading into Sunday, the league was on pace for its lowest average margin of victory—9.96 points per game—in 86 years, according to the league’s numbers. The NFL is also on pace to set the record for the most overtime games in a season. And on top of that, the weekly scoring average is at an all-time high.

More points and a shrinking margin of victory have led to an increase in television ratings, as the league office predicted. This spike comes after those numbers had dropped off in the previous two seasons. There were too many game windows two years ago, but the other big problem was boring football. Being boring isn’t an issue anymore.

The increasing parity in the NFL has created an annual chorus of commentators, analysts, and fans marveling at how the league has gone haywire. SB Nation recently mentionedthe “weird start to the NFL season.” Last year, Newsweek dubbed the season “really, really odd.”

At this time last year, the Rams had a better record than the Seahawks, but the Seahawks were still considered to be a significantly better team because the Rams’ success was supposedly one of the many bizarre early-season happenings. A year later, the Rams are the only undefeated team remaining.

The “weirdness” this year is a series of seemingly unlikely events: Brock Osweiler won a game against the Khalil Mack–led Bears. The Dallas Cowboys looked like the worst offense in the league over the first five weeks, then hung 40 on the alleged best defense in the league, the Jacksonville Jaguars.

The Bucs became early-season darlings and now look incapable of winning a game. The Pittsburgh Steelers came into the season as one of the AFC’s big favorites, and then opened the year by tying the Browns. The Patriots lost to the Jaguars and Lions, looking awful in the process; three weeks later, they scored 43 points on the previously undefeated Chiefs.

That all sure seems weird, but when everyone is scoring lots of points and coaches are innovating every week, there’s bound to be surprising results every weekend. It’s not weird; it’s just what the NFL is now.

The new volatility is likely not a fad, either. The “best defenses” can be torched at any given point. There are too many scoring records or passing records to mention here. Sunday night, the Patriots became the first team in history to not punt or commit a penalty in a game. Derek Carr averaged 0.1 yards per air completion Sunday.

Carr’s coach, Jon Gruden, earlier this year became the first guy with a 10-year contract to trade his franchise player away for seemingly no reason. Marcus Mariota got sacked more Sunday than Dan Marino did in six different seasons. Adam Thielen might just set every receiving record imaginable this year, and his quarterback might launch a similar assault on the record books. These are strange times.

The shrinking margin of victory plays a huge role in producing what appear to be random results. There’s a lot of luck involved in one-score games—and heading into Sunday, the 2018 NFL season was tied for the most one-score games in history through five weeks.

According to ESPN’s Bill Barnwell, who details one-score luck here, performance in one-score games doesn’t necessarily carry over from one year to the next. When, say, a team wins six more one-score games than it loses one season, it’ll typically fall back down to earth the next. On average, that team’s record will drop by three wins the following year.

As always, it all comes back to quarterbacks. Scores are bound to be closer when most teams have a competent signal-caller. The NFL has made it easier than ever to play quarterback, and almost everyoneis getting better. Mahomes is an MVP candidate on pace to set all kinds of records, but Joe Flacco has achieved something more shocking: He’s become a generally serviceable quarterback.

In 2008, the average quarterback had a rating of 83. There are 25 players this season with a higher rating. There are nine quarterbacks this season with a higher rating than Aaron Rodgers’s career mark, which is the highest of all time. Despite often looking like he’s never played football before, Eli Manning has a quarterback rating though six weeks that is three points off of his career high.

In fact, it’s 17 points higher than it was in 2007, the year he won his first Super Bowl. Say what you will about Manning, but the Giants’ average scoring margin (minus-7.5) is within one score. In other words, they’re a few lucky bounces away from being in the thick of the playoff race. Even with Eli Manning behind center, the floor is not that low.

It has long been said that there is no defensive answer to a perfectly thrown pass, but we’re getting to the point where offenses are so efficient that there’s no defensive answer to any pass. The world-beating Jaguars defense looked helplessas the Dallas Cowboys—I dare you to name three of their wide receivers—ran some fairly routine plays designed to beat the Jacksonville Cover 3.

Across the league, the difference between the best and the worst appears smaller than ever before. In 2016 and 2017, no positional unit was among the best in history, according to Football Outsiders’ vital DVOA wrap-up from earlier this year. There have been virtually no historical outliers on either side of the ball.

“If you’ve been reading Football Outsiders for a long time, you know one of our main axioms is that offense is more consistent than defense,” Football Outsiders’ Aaron Schatz wrote. “In 2017, the exact opposite was true.” Since Football Outsiders started tracking team consistency from year to year, teams that were good on offense tended to be good the following year, and vice versa, while projecting defense was more of a crapshoot.

Why did it reverse? Maybe because offensive schemes are changing so quickly, and there was a sea change in the league. Or maybe only a few teams left in the NFL have figured out defense, and thus those teams stay atop of the pecking order.

What matters changes so quickly that even if you’re on trend one week, you might be lost the next. If you’re a year or two behind, you’re screwed. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, whose recently fired defensive coordinator could not shut up about stopping the run in July, are among those teams not on trend. (“You know, everybody sometimes gets fixated on sacks and putting pressure on the quarterback …” Mike Smith said.)

Meanwhile, the number of runs in a game has cratered relative to NFL history. Of course, that didn’t stop the Bucs from drafting a run-stuffing defensive lineman in the first round this year. Chargers standout rookie safety Derwin James—who looks like a future star—would have been a nicer pick for Tampa Bay.

Sloppiness on the offensive line or mind-boggling defensive breakdowns can often be the fault of one player, and that’s just another factor that creates more unpredictable outcomes. Teams can’t even practice in pads every week during the season. This rule change, enacted after 2011, dovetailed with increasingly young rosters across the league.

The last three seasons (at least) have each broken the record for youngest average rosters in NFL history. In late September, ESPN’s Mike Sando asked a coach what he thought of the wild outcomes across the first few weeks of the regular season. The coach responded by asking Sando how he was enjoying Week 3 of training camp. Plenty of teams feel like the early part of the year is essentially an extended preseason.

Since there are more young players learning how to play with fewer practice hours than ever, and because teams have less time to jell, it’s simply reality that certain players—and entire franchises—will look much worse in September and October than in November. Either entire teams forgot how to tackle, or sloppiness is now just a normal part of the first few months of the NFL regular season.

Amid the chaos, teams will sometimes find themselves scrambling for a solution. A wonderfully insightful Twitter thread from Bucs beat writer Greg Auman detailed how, desperate to stop any offense at all, the Buccaneers turned to a defense they haven’t used before on Sunday, one that featured six defensive backs. They used it only on third-and-long … and gave up a first down all four times it was employed. Two of those drives ended in touchdowns.

It’s nice to know that in this wild 2018 season, we’ve got at least one thing we can set our watch by: the Bucs defense giving up points. As for everything else? Well, it’s not normal, but nothing is anymore.