Is Sam Bradford better than Nick Foles?

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Most important thing is, he's going to be vastly superior than Hill/Davis combo.

He's good for at least a 3 win bump imo, which is 9. And a 4 win bump isn't outta the realm either with that Fairely signing to go with it.

Should we draft White/Cooper and draft lineman like a kid in a candy store, I think we win the NFC West with 12.
 

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I'm going to call a spade a spade. Always did the same thing with Bradford. If I think he performed poorly, I'll say it. Don't care what the stats say.
Yeah, I know. It wasn't an accusation.
Just an observation.
 

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Most important thing is, he's going to be vastly superior than Hill/Davis combo.

He's good for at least a 3 win bump imo, which is 9. And a 4 win bump isn't outta the realm either with that Fairely signing to go with it.

Should we draft White/Cooper and draft lineman like a kid in a candy store, I think we win the NFC West with 12.

I don't know how many wins our bump will be but we're taking this division. Fuck Seattle. It's our time now.
 

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I don't know how many wins our bump will be but we're taking this division. freak Seattle. It's our time now.

I just can't help but envision vastly superior QB play.

And our D, now with a full GW season, with Long healthy, a seemingly motivated Fairely, we gonna wreck some bitches this season. Total wreckage. QBs are going to be on the ground a lot and guys will get hit hard, all game long.
 

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Foles seems more injury prone, but his contract is much less...Looks like a loss, no matter how we slice it...With the shape of the offensive line as of 3/20/2015, I'd say without major upgrades, Nick F. is in trouble...
 

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Gee. What a shocker. Brandon Lloyd and Danario Alexander are the only ones who don't look like they were assaulted with a paint gun.
 

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First time Bradford has a green oline--90 passer rating 14-4 TD-Int ratios

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Gee. What a shocker. Brandon Lloyd and Danario Alexander are the only ones who don't look like they were assaulted with a paint gun.

I think it speaks to the surrounding cast. Someone posted that when you look at the line and reciever . . .it reflects. How Bradford was a green passer in 2011 is amazing considering the circumstances
 

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I think it speaks to the surrounding cast. Someone posted that when you look at the line and reciever . . .it reflects. How Bradford was a green passer in 2011 is amazing considering the circumstances
Doesn't surprise me in the least. I saw what was happening out there. I have videos of him hitting receivers in the back of the jersey and in the back of the helmet because they didn't recognize the sight adjustment that should have come as a result of the coverage or a blitz. PFF saw it too, and that's why he wasn't penalized.
 

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You know, that guy could have made the same point in 25,000 fewer words.
http://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2015/03/pro-football-focuss-quarterback-deep.html

For almost a decade the Pro Football Focus website has been gaining in popularity and in credibility. ESPN The Magazine recently published an article detailing it'sgrowth and also announced a partnership with PFF for this free agency season in ranking the available players.

However, today is PFF deep passing leaders, which is featured as one of the "signature statistics" in the subscription section of their website. To get the full list and the year-by-year leaders of this an many other exclusive fans will have to sign for their "Premium stats".

Pro Football Focus defines their deep passing percentage as "Quarterback Deep Passing: The ability to successfully throw the deep ball is one that not all quarterbacks possess. The numbers here are all derived from passing attempts targeted 20 yards or more downfield." And what makes it unique is that they take away the element of dropped passes. If a quarterback throws the ball on the money and it is dropped, the scouts at PFF note that and don't count it against the accuracy of the passer.

To be able to include some of the recent draftees Pro Football Journal looked at the past five seasons worth of this signature statistic and compiled them. This list includes the top fifty most accurate deep passers who threw at least 54 passes twenty yards or more downfield from 2010-2014 (five seasons).

Source: Pro Football Focus. Graphic by PFJ

Derek Carr, who threw 71 such passes, ranks last. Teddy Bridgewater fell short of fifty attempts, but will likely debut high next year if he repeats his 46.3% rookie season. The year-to-year stalwarts such as Eli Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Peyton Manning are at or near the top in attempts. Russell Wilson, Michael Vick, Sam Bradford, Matt Schaub are among those in the middle in attempts, and Carr and E.J. Manuel have among the fewest for those just beginning their career. Some out-of-football quarterbacks still had enough attempts to qualify are Tavaris Jackson and Tim Tebow.

Brian Hoyer and Matt Moore had 88 and 89 deep passing attempts, respectively, since 2010 and were usually on the mark. They are the only two in the top thirteen who had fewer than 100 attempts at deep passes.

And to those who watch the sport, it is no surprise that Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees top the list. They are ones who have a scheme that allows those shots, receivers who can help it happen and protection that holds up.

A couple of surprises may Ben Roethlishberger and Joe Flacco ranking 3oth and 31st. Perhaps they take enough deep shots to be memorable but the misses are not burned into memory because if most fans were asked they may, based on recollection, rank both the rangy quarterbacks in the upper-tier of throwing deep.
 

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http://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com/2015/03/pro-football-focuss-quarterback-deep.html

For almost a decade the Pro Football Focus website has been gaining in popularity and in credibility. ESPN The Magazine recently published an article detailing it'sgrowth and also announced a partnership with PFF for this free agency season in ranking the available players.

However, today is PFF deep passing leaders, which is featured as one of the "signature statistics" in the subscription section of their website. To get the full list and the year-by-year leaders of this an many other exclusive fans will have to sign for their "Premium stats".

Pro Football Focus defines their deep passing percentage as "Quarterback Deep Passing: The ability to successfully throw the deep ball is one that not all quarterbacks possess. The numbers here are all derived from passing attempts targeted 20 yards or more downfield." And what makes it unique is that they take away the element of dropped passes. If a quarterback throws the ball on the money and it is dropped, the scouts at PFF note that and don't count it against the accuracy of the passer.

To be able to include some of the recent draftees Pro Football Journal looked at the past five seasons worth of this signature statistic and compiled them. This list includes the top fifty most accurate deep passers who threw at least 54 passes twenty yards or more downfield from 2010-2014 (five seasons).

Source: Pro Football Focus. Graphic by PFJ

Derek Carr, who threw 71 such passes, ranks last. Teddy Bridgewater fell short of fifty attempts, but will likely debut high next year if he repeats his 46.3% rookie season. The year-to-year stalwarts such as Eli Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Peyton Manning are at or near the top in attempts. Russell Wilson, Michael Vick, Sam Bradford, Matt Schaub are among those in the middle in attempts, and Carr and E.J. Manuel have among the fewest for those just beginning their career. Some out-of-football quarterbacks still had enough attempts to qualify are Tavaris Jackson and Tim Tebow.

Brian Hoyer and Matt Moore had 88 and 89 deep passing attempts, respectively, since 2010 and were usually on the mark. They are the only two in the top thirteen who had fewer than 100 attempts at deep passes.

And to those who watch the sport, it is no surprise that Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees top the list. They are ones who have a scheme that allows those shots, receivers who can help it happen and protection that holds up.

A couple of surprises may Ben Roethlishberger and Joe Flacco ranking 3oth and 31st. Perhaps they take enough deep shots to be memorable but the misses are not burned into memory because if most fans were asked they may, based on recollection, rank both the rangy quarterbacks in the upper-tier of throwing deep.
Thassrite. Clear, concise, to the point.
 

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you can use stats any way you want.
No you can't. They're solid, indisputable measures of talent evaluation.
This is Kellen Clemens. Best QB in the world. 140 QB Rating, with a 15 YPA.

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