lol did you really just quote me from something from a practice game that actually lead to a pick 6 because he did stare down the route and made a late throw lol.
Yes, because it's inconsistent. You're doing it again, you're saying that Goff made a mistake by staring down a route but Mannion was good for doing it. It's never good to stare down a route, how can you say you're being objective when you can't even say that Mannion staring down receivers is a bad thing?
When has Goff shown this ability to sense pressure and step up. The guy hasn't even played a full game yet, maybe he did it on one or 2 plays but I would call that an ability just yet. And just because he was able to do it in college in the offense he ran doesn't mean hes able to do it yet. You do know the difference of the offenses they both ran.
Both in college and throughout this preseason. Sensing pressure is something that you mostly have or you don't, if Goff can do it in college most likely he can do it in the NFL. On the other hand if you can't do it in college, it's pretty unlikely you'll be able to do it in the NFL. He showed he can do it in college, and he showed he can do it in the NFL this preseason. Without going back and looking at all the plays last year I can't comment if he did it then as well, but I know he did it this year.
You do have an issue with that pass hate why you called it a bad decision which is crap some plays has a receiver number on it if you like the matchup you throw it to them cAnt believe we're actually debating a touchdown but you wanna quote a pick 6 lol.
I used it as an example of how making the wrong read can still end up with a positive result, just as making the right read can still end up with a negative result. The point is not to look at plays for the result but to look at them for what happened. If you're unable to see a play this way and only focus on the result then you're not effectively breaking down and dissecting tape.
And it's not about the over throws it's about taking shots down field to keep the safeties honest that's what those overthrown balls do and like I also said that you conviently left out was that it also let Mannion gauge the speed of Reynolds because that third pass I was perfect and that's what those misses got you a perfect touchdown strike. It's value in messing up
If all you do is take shots down field and miss then safeties aren't going to be all that worried about your deep ball, you need to show you can connect on those. If Mannion is still trying to gauge Reynolds speed at this point that's a huge issue. Watkins? Sure, he's new, but not Reynolds. Again though, you're showing that you're not looking at it objectively because you criticize Goff for things like this, saying his deep ball is very poor, but you find an excuse for Mannion because he's just "gauging their speed".
The problem is you're going off what you saw from the Raiders believing that's gospel, he faced no pressure and had guys running wide open. That's ok though cause the first half of the Saints game was the same way.
I'm not, I'm going off of specific plays in all three games and practices, where he shows traits that he belongs in this league. You seem to think that we're basing everything off of the Raiders game and I really don't know why, I've referenced the Chargers game more than the Raiders game.
My point still stands I want to see Goff face some adversity because that's the only way we're going to be able to tell what type of Qb he can be.
He went 0-7 with a terrible team who's staff was fired after getting him crushed, and he was breaking down game tape for 12 hours with McVay and helping out rookies during rookie mini camp while most other QB's were doing other things. He spent all summer with some QB gurus to help clean up certain fundamental flaws of his. He came into training camp ready and began taking major steps right off the bat. I'd say that's someone who faced a hell of a lot of adversity (and something that pretty much everyone in the NFL will tell you) and responded like a veteran that can lead this team.
If you're talking about games, he placed plenty of adversity in games, and his defense collapsed. That was a total team collapse, to pin that on Goff would be like pinning it on Keenum or Mannion. That's just dumb. I never saw him sitting on the sidelines with a towel over his head (Newton) or his Helmet on (Manning) pouting, I saw him looking over what was going on and trying to learn.
Leaving receivers out to dry is the new weak arm. It was 2 passes and the first one to Reynolds was a soft hit he just dropped. We just saw a pass from Hundley that got his guy knocked out I guess he left him out to dry too huh. And that play didn't result in a penalty.
I haven't seen the play, but it sounds like he left his receiver out to dry. The fact that you're attempting to just dismiss this fact like it's not a thing shows that you know it's true, know it's a problem, and are attempting to downplay it in hopes others don't pick up on it as well. Mannion has a bad habit of leaving receivers out to dry. This is largely due to the fact that he tends to lock onto a receiver and try to force the ball to them instead of making progressions. It all connects.
So maybe you're just seeing what you wanna see or ignoring stuff. I'm going off of last year REAL games when they count you're going off a quarter of a preseason game.
I'm going off of the most recent things we have, because why wouldn't I? It's a different team, different system, different coach. I'm seeing different things from Goff, he looks more confident, his mechanics are different, progression is there. Why wouldn't I go off of those things? Maybe that's what the issue here, you're basing your opinion of Goff on his play of last year instead of this year. The reason why me and so many are higher on Goff is because we saw his play last year and we see it now and it's worlds better. Preseason or not, he's showing really positive things and growth from last year. If you're never going to look at it that way then there's no point in even debating. You're basing your opinion off of Mannion this year with rose colored glasses and Goff last year. It's apples to oranges man, it's not even a good debate at that point.
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