Interesting Power Rankings and Goff comparison

[Dxmissile]

Well, it’s fine for you to pick out what you need...

that’s not what I’m saying in entirety, at all

And people can keep comparing Goff to the greats like he’s actually done something yet. It’s funny how every other player on this team can be talked about except Goff lol it’s funny. To me Goff don’t elevate anyone on that offensive side he don’t help out that atrocious offensive line he don’t scan the field on a consistent basis he hold the ball to long causes unnecessary sacks interceptions and turnovers. He can’t diagnose blitz’s and he can’t handle blitz.
He makes some great throws then he would follow it up with 10 bad ones he has some great games then he follows them up with shitty games. That’s what game managers do and that’s the point he’s at he’s our version of Kirk Cousins right now

 

[Dxmissile]

Don’t understand how Gurley gets a free pass when it comes to Goff’s performance this year. I mean it is a team game and everyone’s performance contributes to the end result. I think the board has done a good job in calling out the o line but what about Gurley’s performance in all of this. Isn’t he one of the highest paid RBs in the NFL?

Someone posted still shots of the Falcon game and yes the line missed some blocks-particularly Blythe but in all honesty Gurley missed a bunch of holes that were opened up for him.

The people who rag on Goff need to also be honest and admit that a lot of the offenses struggles can be attributed to Gurley’s present issues running and catching the ball which is the main reason our bread and butter of play action is ineffective in our losses.

Rag on Goff all you want and he has missed some throws this year but just remember-he’s the one getting his ass kicked and taking some massive hits this year while Gurley gets a pass regarding his performance somehow because his knee hurts sometimes?

Lol Gurley getting a pass?! You’re talking about stills in a picture you try making decisions in a split second cause that’s all a running back has when he gets that handoff. And how many Gurley is done posts have been posted.!
A running back is effected way more by a ineffective offensive line than a qb is and how bad this line is Gurley is about the best pass protector we’ve had so far this year. And furthermore it’s hard to blame Gurley when he was only getting 6-10 carries a game

 

[Ramit]

And people can keep comparing Goff to the greats like he’s actually done something yet. It’s funny how every other player on this team can be talked about except Goff lol it’s funny. To me Goff don’t elevate anyone on that offensive side he don’t help out that atrocious offensive line he don’t scan the field on a consistent basis he hold the ball to long causes unnecessary sacks interceptions and turnovers. He can’t diagnose blitz’s and he can’t handle blitz.
He makes some great throws then he would follow it up with 10 bad ones he has some great games then he follows them up with shitty games. That’s what game managers do and that’s the point he’s at he’s our version of Kirk Cousins right now

Goff doesnt elevate anyone? Ok then, let's go back to the days of case Keenum. A true game manager. Dude couldn't push the ball downfield, hell...he couldn't even make a throw like the one Gurley caught in the ez sunday. Jared Goff elevated the entire team in the NFC Championship game. I can guarantee you that a case Keenum game manager would NOT have won that game. You need to get some perspective buddy. Peyton frikken Manning didnt post a season passer rating above 100 until his 7th....yes I just said his 7TH season. Get a grip.

 

[Dxmissile]

Game managers don't spread the ball around like Goff does. That's you selling him short, because you don't like the way he's played as of late.

Lol that’s the definition of a game manager. Look I’m not saying that he don’t have the capacity to do more I’m just saying McVay is using him like one. He has two plays he get from McVay he allowed to audible to either play he has 2 reads on his passing play and McVay expects he stays on script i.e game manager. I’ve said this since last year the offense will be a lot better if McVay actually trusted Goff and McVay creates bad habits for Goff got him locking onto his first reads staring down receivers because the system worked last year and all Goff had to do was follow the plan but this year McVay has been out coached numerous times and it has shown with Goff

 

[Ramit]

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[jacktheripper85]

Lol Gurley getting a pass?! You’re talking about stills in a picture you try making decisions in a split second cause that’s all a running back has when he gets that handoff. And how many Gurley is done posts have been posted.!
A running back is effected way more by a ineffective offensive line than a qb is and how bad this line is Gurley is about the best pass protector we’ve had so far this year. And furthermore it’s hard to blame Gurley when he was only getting 6-10 carries a game

First off I don’t get paid $15MM a year to make decisions in a split second-Gurley does. Case closed.

Secondly I’d argue that a QB is just as affected by a crap line as a RB. Go back and watch the Patriot/Jet game from Monday night and get back to me on those 5 picks and seeing ghosts.

Lastly how has Gurley been our best blocker when he’s hardly on the field anymore and as to your point about how many carries he gets now what does that tell you about how McVay thinks he’s performing if he barely plays him anymore. A coach who wants to keep his job isn’t going to ignore one of his best players if he thinks he can help the team.

That’s just common sense.

 

[max]

Gotta consider the source.

Farrar is a long time Goff basher from before he was drafted. I have no idea why he goes out of his way to do extensive analysis to try to show Goff stinks. Look it up, it’s all on the net. He cherry picks stuff to support his initial evaluation of Goff.

Bottom line here is Farrar isn’t an unbiased guy to listen to when it comes to Goff. He’s also been negative on the Rams historically. I think he’s a big Seattle guy, so maybe that plays into it.

JimmyG is 28 years old. He shouldn’t be turning into anyone, he’s already what he’s gonna be. He’s a pedestrian QB. He doesn’t play smart, turns the ball over consistently, and his only real strength is a quick release. Shanahan protects him as much as possible.

 

[Dxmissile]

Goff doesnt elevate anyone? Ok then, let's go back to the days of case Keenum. A true game manager. Dude couldn't push the ball downfield, hell...he couldn't even make a throw like the one Gurley caught in the ez sunday. Jared Goff elevated the entire team in the NFC Championship game. I can guarantee you that a case Keenum game manager would NOT have won that game. You need to get some perspective buddy. Peyton frikken Manning didnt post a season passer rating above 100 until his 7th....yes I just said his 7TH season. Get a grip.

So first don’t ever tell me what I need to do cause I don’t need to do shit. I can voice my opinion the same way I’m letting you voice yours without all the direct attacks.


Lol the Manning argument. And Case did actually elevate the team. That team was terrible as hell. So it wasn’t hard but case definitely won more games because of HIM being case. Is Case better than Goff no way. but I swear people go in a conniption when they say game manager like that’s a bad thing. Flacco and ELi and even Brady won super bowls by being game managers. It’s not a diss on Goff by saying that some of y’all just want him to be great right away lol and unfortunately he’s not he’s a little above average at this point still good enough to get us in the playoffs but Goff didn’t win us any playoff games last year he didn’t lose us any either except the Super Bowl. Brady played terrible too that was just the flow of the Game but Brady didn’t lose the game for the pats he made the throws he had to make and Goff couldn’t. We can say he’s young this and that but it’s the NFL you never know when you get back there.

 

[Dxmissile]

First off I don’t get paid $15MM a year to make decisions in a split second-Gurley does. Case closed.

Secondly I’d argue that a QB is just as affected by a crap line as a RB. Go back and watch the Patriot/Jet game from Monday night and get back to me on those 5 picks and seeing ghosts.

Lastly how has Gurley been our best blocker when he’s hardly on the field anymore and as to your point about how many carries he gets now what does that tell you about how McVay thinks he’s performing if he barely plays him anymore. A coach who wants to keep his job isn’t going to ignore one of his best players if he thinks he can help the team.

That’s just common sense.

Dude do you even watch the games. Do you even know who McVay is. McVay don’t trust the offensive line not Gurley and Gurley is on the field every 1st and third down play picking up blitz’s and have been doing a good job of that.
And I never said a whole wasn’t affected I said a running back is more affected. And don’t compare what Darnold said to Goff cause I’ve never seen Goff that bad. A qb has built in protection against a leaky line. They have quick slants against the blitz have screens against the blitz have outlet passes and play action to freeze the dline a running back has none of that

 

[Dxmissile]

Gotta consider the source.

Farrar is a long time Goff basher from before he was drafted. I have no idea why he goes out of his way to do extensive analysis to try to show Goff stinks. Look it up, it’s all on the net. He cherry picks stuff to support his initial evaluation of Goff.

Bottom line here is Farrar isn’t an unbiased guy to listen to when it comes to Goff. He’s also been negative on the Rams historically. I think he’s a big Seattle guy, so maybe that plays into it.

JimmyG is 28 years old. He shouldn’t be turning into anyone, he’s already what he’s gonna be. He’s a pedestrian QB. He doesn’t play smart, turns the ball over consistently, and his only real strength is a quick release. Shanahan protects him as much as possible.

Jimmy G is trash Goff is light years better than him and it’s not even close tbh

 

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Y’all keep throwing Manning’s name around.
So tell me what other QB in history had more responsibilities at the line this guy called and changed every play at the line not plays the coaches drew up but plays he called against every look he would see against the defense. Even as a young qb.
And the biggest thing people are overlooking is the Era he played in when REAL defense was being played and the running game was dominant. I hate comparing stats from different eras with different rules and different philosophy cause Cousins shit look better than Manning’s too

 

[Ramit]

How many

Y’all keep throwing Manning’s name around.
So tell me what other QB in history had more responsibilities at the line this guy called and changed every play at the line not plays the coaches drew up but plays he called against every look he would see against the defense. Even as a young qb.
And the biggest thing people are overlooking is the Era he played in when REAL defense was being played and the running game was dominant. I hate comparing stats from different eras with different rules and different philosophy cause Cousins shit look better than Manning’s too

How many superbowls did he win changing all that at the line? How many times in his illustrious career did he post a passer rating above 100 for all of the stuff he did that was so "great"? 6 times bro. Here is my point man, is Goff a game manager? I dont think he deserves that, but he isnt elite either...not yet. I'm playing the long patient game and it seems like most everyone else is too short sighted to do the same. I dont bring PM's stats up to say Goff is the same category, I do it to say have some flippin patience because even PM needed 7 years for the lights to truly come on in a brilliant game changing way. I apologize if you felt attacked, btw. It just gets me a little riled up because it's always the same old junk ad naseum

 

[jacktheripper85]

Dude do you even watch the games. Do you even know who McVay is. McVay don’t trust the offensive line not Gurley and Gurley is on the field every 1st and third down play picking up blitz’s and have been doing a good job of that.
And I never said a whole wasn’t affected I said a running back is more affected. And don’t compare what Darnold said to Goff cause I’ve never seen Goff that bad. A qb has built in protection against a leaky line. They have quick slants against the blitz have screens against the blitz have outlet passes and play action to freeze the dline a running back has none of that

So let me get this straight....McVay isn’t playing Gurley that much because he wants to protect him from our crappy o line? It’s a good thing players like Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, etc who played behind crappy lines didn’t have coaches like McVay or they never would have made it to the Hall of Fane and the public wouldn’t have gotten to witness how great they were.

 

[Dxmissile]

How many
How many superbowls did he win changing all that at the line? How many times in his illustrious career did he post a passer rating above 100 for all of the stuff he did that was so "great"? 6 times bro. Here is my point man, is Goff a game manager? I dont think he deserves that, but he isnt elite either...not yet. I'm playing the long patient game and it seems like most everyone else is too short sighted to do the same. I dont bring PM's stats up to say Goff is the same category, I do it to say have some flippin patience because even PM needed 7 years for the lights to truly come on in a brilliant game changing way. I apologize if you felt attacked, btw. It just gets me a little riled up because it's always the same old junk ad naseum

Me saying he’s a game manager don’t mean I don’t like him don’t mean I don’t think he’s in the top half at his position because he is. Me saying he’s a game manager is me Saying be patient with him to grow into what everybody want him to do but people calling him elite and think he’s above ridicule is crazy to me when he still has a lot of flaws in his game

 

[Ramit]

Goff didn’t lose us any either except the Super Bowl.

Goff didnt lose us the Superbowl, McVay did. You cant expect ANY player to win a game when the coach failed in the gameplan before the very 1st snap. Once again, my fellow rams brother, perspective.

 

[Ramit]

Me saying he’s a game manager don’t mean I don’t like him don’t mean I don’t think he’s in the top half at his position because he is. Me saying he’s a game manager is me Saying be patient with him to grow into what everybody want him to do but people calling him elite and think he’s above ridicule is crazy to me when he still has a lot of flaws in his game

In that case I'm sorry man, we are saying the same thing 2 different ways.

 

[Dxmissile]

So let me get this straight....McVay isn’t playing Gurley that much because he wants to protect him from our crappy o line? It’s a good thing players like Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, etc who played behind crappy lines didn’t have coaches like McVay or they never would have made it to the Hall of Fane and the public wouldn’t have gotten to witness how great they were.

Yep you see how times have changed.! With social media and the league trying to protect players. But McVay is still playing Gurley he’s just using him as an extra lineman. In two games Goff throw the ball over a 100 times because McVay liked the match up better on paper he was correct but the outcome wasn’t. My point is McVay plays to the matchup if he thinks the passing game is better for that matchup then he’s going to pass the ball no matter what which is a hang up on his part

 

[Reddog99]

So first don’t ever tell me what I need to do cause I don’t need to do shit. I can voice my opinion the same way I’m letting you voice yours without all the direct attacks.


Lol the Manning argument. And Case did actually elevate the team. That team was terrible as hell. So it wasn’t hard but case definitely won more games because of HIM being case. Is Case better than Goff no way. but I swear people go in a conniption when they say game manager like that’s a bad thing. Flacco and ELi and even Brady won super bowls by being game managers. It’s not a diss on Goff by saying that some of y’all just want him to be great right away lol and unfortunately he’s not he’s a little above average at this point still good enough to get us in the playoffs but Goff didn’t win us any playoff games last year he didn’t lose us any either except the Super Bowl. Brady played terrible too that was just the flow of the Game but Brady didn’t lose the game for the pats he made the throws he had to make and Goff couldn’t. We can say he’s young this and that but it’s the NFL you never know when you get back there.

We don't make it to the superbowl without Goff. Also the superbowl was lost as a team. Better throws could've been made but at the same time several catches could've been made. Mcvay didn't change anything so we did everything the Pat's expected. Offense had a bad day but those days are when the defense or ST need to step up and score. Way too many variables to be comparing Goff to anyone. I get the questioning of Jared and Todd but it all starts with the OL. I believe once the OL starts playing better some of this doubt will subside.

 

[Dxmissile]

Goff didnt lose us the Superbowl, McVay did. You cant expect ANY player to win a game when the coach failed in the gameplan before the very 1st snap. Once again, my fellow rams brother, perspective.

Lol so all the miss throws to wide open receivers not seeing wide open receivers the interception he threw right at a defender is on McVay. The game plan wasn’t great but when Goff had a chance to execute or make something happen he didn’t.

 

[Dxmissile]

We don't make it to the superbowl without Goff. Also the superbowl was lost as a team. Better throws could've been made but at the same time several catches could've been made. Mcvay didn't change anything so we did everything the Pat's expected. Offense had a bad day but those days are when the defense or ST need to step up and score. Way too many variables to be comparing Goff to anyone. I get the questioning of Jared and Todd but it all starts with the OL. I believe once the OL starts playing better some of this doubt will subside.

I agree everything starts with the offensive line that’s why Brady has developed into Brady. I just feel like now that the league has caught up to McVay, I want to see what we really have in McVay and Goff can Goff continue to Grow and get better can McVay be more flexible and trust Goff to do more and can McVay for the love of God stick with the run game.