Interesting Power Rankings and Goff comparison

[Mackeyser]

Its a joke to say Jimmy G is better than Goff. He's got a much better arm and more upside than Jimmy. But we have to acknowledge Goff's performance when the scheme isn't giving us an advantage, that part is true.

Also - Brady, Manning, and Brees all won their first trip to the Super Bowl. What did Goff do? We can make all the excuses in the world for him, but he didn't get it done. And on a day when the defense shut down Brady. While I agree you don't need a QB that can "tear it up outside of the pocket," lets chill out on comparing Goff with the greatest pocket passers of all time. Those 3 champions all had an entirely different level of command and execution of their offenses. And when they had a shot to win a ring, they got it done. While we all hope our QB gets there, he's not close to that point yet IMO and needs to be MUCH MORE consistent week to week.

I know you aren’t using Super Bow 36 of all Super Bowls to make the case that Brady has a command of his offense. Look at the box score. He stunk in that game until the final drive. Oh, and Belichick chested.

In a legit game, we win that game running away...

 

[badnews]

Let's see...

4,688 yards passing, 32 TDs against 12 INT

That was Goff's stat line from last year.

My first thought is this; talk to me once Jimmy G delivers a stat line like that. Because, he hasn't.

Ever.

My second thought is this; people sure have short memories. I still remember how Goff played last year. I must be a genius - or something - to remember soooooo long ago. He was pretty damn good.

LOL.

Spot on.

The "Goff isnt good enough (yet)" mantra is ri-fricken-diculous in my humble opinion..

Some Rams fans who have followed closely and watched the games and continue to trumpet this "we will wait and see" crap aren't nearly as clever as they think they are at hiding their bias, imo. Others, because of whatever weird reason, can only see Goffs mistakes, only see incomplete passes as being the QBs fault, think he should be able to elevate his entire team to win. Might as well expect him to levitate over the pass rush and through the sheer power of his inner-winner, guide GZs kicks through the uprights on his will alone.

Some unquantifiable statements comparing what "the great QBs do" is about as useful as the old tractor-trailer routine.

Goff doesn't have to be equal or comparable to the 3 or 4 greatest QBs of all time to be good enough to win chips and get the respect and support of his peers and fans.

He is damn fine QB who is still getting better. Why it's so hard for some people to get on board is beyond me.

 

[KJD_Ram]

I only see one issue with Goff....He always wants the bigger play, and sometimes that means winding up a bit and he has a tendency to get stripped...
One other thing that hasn't been mentioned is his toughness...he's taken some pretty good shots and (knock on wood) survived

 

[CGI_Ram]

Spot on.

The "Goff isnt good enough (yet)" mantra is ri-fricken-diculous in my humble opinion..

Some Rams fans who have followed closely and watched the games and continue to trumpet this "we will wait and see" crap aren't nearly as clever as they think they are at hiding their bias, imo. Others, because of whatever weird reason, can only see Goffs mistakes, only see incomplete passes as being the QBs fault, think he should be able to elevate his entire team to win. Might as well expect him to levitate over the pass rush and through the sheer power of his inner-winner, guide GZs kicks through the uprights on his will alone.

Some unquantifiable statements comparing what "the great QBs do" is about as useful as the old tractor-trailer routine.

Goff doesn't have to be equal or comparable to the 3 or 4 greatest QBs of all time to be good enough to win chips and get the respect and support of his peers and fans.

He is damn fine QB who is still getting better. Why it's so hard for some people to get on board is beyond me.

He is having an off year... so far. I say so far because it could change tomorrow... that’s what happens in this league. He was pretty good last year (and this year in spots)... so I expect to see that more consistently soon. Why not?

I don’t know. I have off days...more often than I like to admit. But that’s life. I haven’t met a perfect person.

Frigg... I do want him to play better. But I say that about the whole team.

One week at a time.

Go Rams!

 

[badnews]

Goff is going to have some bad games and

He is having an off year... so far. I say so far because it could change tomorrow... that’s what happens in this league. He was pretty good last year (and this year in spots)... so I expect to see that more consistently soon. Why not?

I don’t know. I have off days...more often than I like to admit. But that’s life. I haven’t met a perfect person.

Frigg... I do want him to play better. But I say that about the whole team.

One week at a time.

Go Rams!

Yeah and I don't mean to suggest that I think he is the next great QB by any stretch - he still frustrates me at times and yeah, I would love it if he was perfect all of the time -

- but for me, if you asked me 5 years ago if I would take the Jared Goff we have had, warts and all?

Uh yeah. Definitely.

If the question was "What do you expect Jared Goffs game to look like when he turns 30?"
Probably pretty damn good.

 

[KayJay]

The point is elite QBs even when they’re not on their A game they still make the important throws get that meaningful first down and more importantly don’t turn the ball over.
Goff is a system QB he is a game manager he’s just better than some at that role and there is nothing wrong with that. Every QB started like that some grew into actual elite QBs some stayed stagnant

Game managers don't spread the ball around like Goff does. That's you selling him short, because you don't like the way he's played as of late.

 

[Ellard80]

Spot on.

The "Goff isnt good enough (yet)" mantra is ri-fricken-diculous in my humble opinion..

Some Rams fans who have followed closely and watched the games and continue to trumpet this "we will wait and see" crap aren't nearly as clever as they think they are at hiding their bias, imo. Others, because of whatever weird reason, can only see Goffs mistakes, only see incomplete passes as being the QBs fault, think he should be able to elevate his entire team to win. Might as well expect him to levitate over the pass rush and through the sheer power of his inner-winner, guide GZs kicks through the uprights on his will alone.

Some unquantifiable statements comparing what "the great QBs do" is about as useful as the old tractor-trailer routine.

Goff doesn't have to be equal or comparable to the 3 or 4 greatest QBs of all time to be good enough to win chips and get the respect and support of his peers and fans.

He is damn fine QB who is still getting better. Why it's so hard for some people to get on board is beyond me.

So if people don't think Goff is great then they have a "hidden bias" Thats a bunch of bull bro.

I read somewhere that in Goff's last 15 games or so including the playoffs - he has like an 80-81 QB rating - that is not even good. That's below average. Overall his year last year was a nice one - deserving of a pro bowl..

But he has not shown a continued upward movement as of late. And it started somewhere aroudn the Detroit game last year.

Talk to people that aren't Rams fans and see what they think about Goff. That's a good measuring stick.

I think Goff could be amazing, and I hope like hell that he is. Hopefully next game he starts a series of great games.

But because I recognize that his play has not been that great going back to the end of last season, has shit to do with any hidden bias.

What's more irrational is the childish need for people to "Crown someone as amazing" before they are.

For the fucking life of me I don't understand that need in people, or what's even more strange is why they think other people need to feel the same way.

If that's not what you mean... I apologize, but that's the way it reads to me.

He isn't a "game manager" however... people with a rocker arm like he has don't get asked to be game managers.

 

[Ramrocket]

He is having an off year... so far. I say so far because it could change tomorrow... that’s what happens in this league. He was pretty good last year (and this year in spots)... so I expect to see that more consistently soon. Why not?

I don’t know. I have off days...more often than I like to admit. But that’s life. I haven’t met a perfect person.

Frigg... I do want him to play better. But I say that about the whole team.

One week at a time.

Go Rams!

Hell, I've seen all QB's have off days, even some of the 'greats'. Rodgers was pretty average for most of last year but was still lauded as a wonderful QB (and he is, but he wasn't called out on his average play). The difference is that Goff doesn't seem to get the same treatment. His great games (and for the Goff haters - he has had some GREAT games) are forgotten quite quickly and the focus is very much 'what have you done for me lately'.

If his career progresses as we anticipate, let's hope he is accorded the same luxury as just about very other QB when he has a down day.

 

[Ellard80]

Hell, I've seen all QB's have off days, even some of the 'greats'. Rodgers was pretty average for most of last year but was still lauded as a wonderful QB (and he is, but he wasn't called out on his average play). The difference is that Goff doesn't seem to get the same treatment. His great games (and for the Goff haters - he has had some GREAT games) are forgotten quite quickly and the focus is very much 'what have you done for me lately'.

If his career progresses as we anticipate, let's hope he is accorded the same luxury as just about very other QB when he has a down day.

Bro... aaron Rodgers is the all time leader in QB rating in NFL history. I agree at times that he is overatted, but yeah Goff ain't getting the same treatment... and he shouldn't.

Hopefully someday.

 

[badnews]

So if people don't think Goff is great then they have a "hidden bias" Thats a bunch of bull bro.

I read somewhere that in Goff's last 15 games or so including the playoffs - he has like an 80-81 QB rating - that is not even good. That's below average. Overall his year last year was a nice one - deserving of a pro bowl..

But he has not shown a continued upward movement as of late. And it started somewhere aroudn the Detroit game last year.

Talk to people that aren't Rams fans and see what they think about Goff. That's a good measuring stick.

I think Goff could be amazing, and I hope like hell that he is. Hopefully next game he starts a series of great games.

But because I recognize that his play has not been that great going back to the end of last season, has shit to do with any hidden bias.

What's more irrational is the childish need for people to "Crown someone as amazing" before they are.

For the fucking life of me I don't understand that need in people, or what's even more strange is why they think other people need to feel the same way.

If that's not what you mean... I apologize, but that's the way it reads to me.

He isn't a "game manager" however... people with a rocker arm like he has don't get asked to be game managers.

Nope. Some people have a subtle way of discrediting every good thing Goff does and show up when he struggles - that's the kind of bias that is obvious and I think you are reaching and putting words in my mouth.

If what I said pissed you off, that's a you problem.

It does surprise me that some people shit on him. He is pretty good. In fact it's irritating how little respect he gets imo.
I am sharing opinions dude. Just being honest about what I see.

If I said anything remotely similar to "you have to agree Goff is great or you are biased" then I made a typo lol... but I didn't.

Anyway, whatever. Have a good night. Carry on and Go Rams!

 

[badnews]

Goff doesn't seem to get the same treatment. His great games (and for the Goff haters - he has had some GREAT games) are forgotten quite quickly and the focus is very much 'what have you done for me lately'.

EXACTLY
The focus is often spent on every missed read and incomplete pass and any slight struggle...

And then the next week when he absolutely slays a defense? Crickets chirping.

 

[hotanez]

Let's see...

4,688 yards passing, 32 TDs against 12 INT

That was Goff's stat line from last year.

My first thought is this; talk to me once Jimmy G delivers a stat line like that. Because, he hasn't.

Ever.

My second thought is this; people sure have short memories. I still remember how Goff played last year. I must be a genius - or something - to remember soooooo long ago. He was pretty damn good.

LOL.

It's a joke that someone would say that Jimmy G is dropping to Goffs level because he still hasn't reached Goff. I think we all remember Goff's first 8 games but after that he really hasn't been great. This year I would say he's worst but the Oline isn't doing him any favors. I'm just hoping he starts making better decisions, take what the defense is giving him. Take the first down and the big plays will eventually come. Protect the ball and give the defense a chance to rest. When he gets pressure in his face at the snap just throw it away, no turnovers. I'm hoping he can turn it around, we need him to get to that next level so we can win a SB.

 

[hotanez]

oops didn't want to quote CGI there, just wanted to give my opinion on that article posted

 

[Dxmissile]

hey, every one of those noted QB’s turned the ball over, just less frequently as they matured in their systems.

PM threw some egregious picks at bad times, with good teams in the mid-2000’s playoff games.

Brees turned it over against our Rams in the NFC CG.

Goff is the same guy that slung it all over against the Vikes and Chiefs, in big time games.

He’ll do it again.

My point exactly!! But he’s still a game manager at this point in his career IMO

 

[Young Ram]

Last year, Goff started off hot but fizzled out at the end.

This year, Goff Is fizzling at the start but will get hot at the end?

Let’s hope so!

 

[KayJay]

Talk to people that aren't Rams fans and see what they think about Goff. That's a good measuring stick.

I think Goff could be amazing, and I hope like hell that he is. Hopefully next game he starts a series of great games.

But because I recognize that his play has not been that great going back to the end of last season, has shit to do with any hidden bias.

What's more irrational is the childish need for people to "Crown someone as amazing" before they are.

Goff hasn't been a very good QB this year, the Rams offensive line also hasn't been very good this year. Last two seasons were pro-bowl seasons. Goff is the only Quarterback judged only on the negatives of his previous year rather than the positives; but that's nor here, nor there. Lets talk about this...

"Talk to people that aren't Rams fans and see what they think about Goff. That's a good measuring stick".

That's a pretty covert way of saying "I'm not a fan of the guy, a few people agree with me even though they don't watch our games." You mean the same people who would take Khalil Mack over Aaron Donald as the best defensive player in football? Or maybe the same people that waited till Carson Wentz O-Line went to complete shit, and started blaming him for the woes instead of the fact his wide receivers have some of the highest drop ball percentage in the NFL. What about the same fans declared Goff a bust, and instead of giving him the credit where it was due the next year where he came back and diced everyone up, they just moved the goal posts saying it was all McVay.

Goff isn't a elite, he's working towards that. This isn't about hidden bias, no one is out to get him. But the truth is most people just don't like him, they never did. Let's keep it 100%, I'm going to be real as possible with you...

Because Goff is not Black, and he's not running and bombing it downfield; not making exciting displays of athletic ability, there is nothing to like about him right now. Those are the one's they love to talk about. Case and point, Daniel Jones & Sam Darnold as well as guys like Philip Rivers get ignored every season. Matt Ryan has been blistering hot and still gets ignored compared to other more mobile QB's like Jacoby Brissett and Baker Mayfield who has done nothing. Bring up Aaron Rodgers; but he's always had a fan base that came straight from those who watched Farve play. And Brady? Brady is a pocket quarterback with popularity because the Patriots have one of the loudest fanbase's I've ever seen.

I am Black, and I can tell you right now; the color of our skin can be very polarizing at the Quarterback position; especially a winning one. Or just being the type of QB who runs like a chicken with their head cut off is more polarizing like Mayfield. But Goff? He's boring to people, so they don't bother watching games. And that's why its ludicrous to take into account how fans of other teams feel about our QB. LOL They don't watch our games, they probably just hop on you tube and watch highlights and look at the box score.

And acknowledging Goff's amazing throw's, and singing his praise after you've seen him best some pretty damn good teams isn't someone calling him 'amazing'. Its called acknowledging his body of work instead of just 15 games. You don't have to see it the way others on the forum do. But its pure fallacy to use fans of other teams perspective considering Niner fans absolutely love Jimmy G, and he hasn't even had a great start to the current season he's playing in at the age of 27. Bears fans were in love with Trubisky for literally no reason. And the two guys I've mentioned haven't done nearly as much as Goff has, you know like...made a Superbowl due to two clutch throws under pressure to get us in field goal range?

 

[oldnotdead]

Yawn all the talking heads who really don't know anything simply revert back to the standard line of a system QB. HELLOOOO ALL QB'S ARE SYSTEM QB'S. WOULD THE GOAT BE THE SAME OUTSIDE OF NE? HELL NO AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT. TO KEEP USING THAT FICTIONAL CONCEPT PROVES TO ME HE'S A HACK.

The truth is Goff is better than most QB's under pressure and the stats prove it. Yet hacks like this make those allegations but offer ZERO PROOF to back their assertions. QBs are no different than CBs. System fit is a very real thing, and it applies to all positions not just QBs. Peters is a prime example of a poor system fit in LA. Wade wants shut down press man coverage QBs and Peters is a zone coverage QB. He wants to read and break on the ball, not cover a WR. Troy Hill is another zone CB and it accounts for his up and down performance. The problem with Hill is he lacks the burst to close.

Anyone who actually watched the Rams can see the problem with the offense was poor o-line play. On defense it was an aging Talib and a poor system fit for Peters so you had two issues in the secondary. Last Sunday showed that if you protect Goff he produces, and the defense is improved now because they have one half of the secondary they need. Fix the o-line and fix the secondary and this team can beat anyone including the Pats.

The problem with the Ram's run defense is back to being soft in the middle. I'm sorry but if you watch how easily SJD is taken out of plays and his inability to get off a block you can see why they have a problem. They are trying to compensate with the ILBs, but SJD gets blown off the LOS by the center alone, it allows the offense to scheme to take out Littleton and Reeder.

Bottom line is that Goff isn't the problem with the Rams. The o-line and defense have to play better for this team to win consistently. Hack talking heads who know nothing, write a bunch of BS nonsense about stuff they know nothing about.

 

[Ramrocket]

Bro... aaron Rodgers is the all time leader in QB rating in NFL history. I agree at times that he is overatted, but yeah Goff ain't getting the same treatment... and he shouldn't.

Hopefully someday.

Agreed. I didn't say AR wasn't great, in fact I thought I said he was, just that he isn't dissected for his mistakes like JGoff is. And you're right Goff is not at Rodgers level yet. Let's hope he eventually gets mentioned in the same revered tones.

 

[Ramlock]

My point exactly!! But he’s still a game manager at this point in his career IMO

Well, it’s fine for you to pick out what you need...

that’s not what I’m saying in entirety, at all

 

[jacktheripper85]

Don’t understand how Gurley gets a free pass when it comes to Goff’s performance this year. I mean it is a team game and everyone’s performance contributes to the end result. I think the board has done a good job in calling out the o line but what about Gurley’s performance in all of this. Isn’t he one of the highest paid RBs in the NFL?

Someone posted still shots of the Falcon game and yes the line missed some blocks-particularly Blythe but in all honesty Gurley missed a bunch of holes that were opened up for him.

The people who rag on Goff need to also be honest and admit that a lot of the offenses struggles can be attributed to Gurley’s present issues running and catching the ball which is the main reason our bread and butter of play action is ineffective in our losses.

Rag on Goff all you want and he has missed some throws this year but just remember-he’s the one getting his ass kicked and taking some massive hits this year while Gurley gets a pass regarding his performance somehow because his knee hurts sometimes?