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bluecoconuts

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Hmm really? This is exactly what I'm talking about. I hope no one ever looks at you and thinks that.

I’m not talking about vigilantism man, I’m talking about real life. You asked if anyone here has ever taken a life or knows what impact it is, well here I am. If someone looks at me and thinks I should be dead, then I don’t see any scenario where that kill would be legitimate, and if someone wants to kill me to get my shit, well goodluck because it wouldn’t be the first time.
 

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I have to ask Mack. n similar to the Rockies? I know you are not a spring chicken anymore - no offense. I am in pretty good shape and have hunted all over the West.Have you ever actually done any big game hunting?


FIFY.........

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I love underhand slow pitch hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!


Going to have to disagree. The areas he is talking about has plenty of hot burning wood. I know several people in Montana and Colorado that heat their homes almost exclusively with wood and could all year if they wanted to. But turning up a thermostat is easier so....

Many years ago I had a house with a LARGE fireplace. Beautiful 15 foot mantle made of Pecky Cypress to match the beams and wall about the fireplace.

The property had maple, oak, beech, cherry and all sort of others. I had firewood in unlimited supply since it was just under two acres with trees out the ass that fell down every year.

There was a type of tree called Locust tree that burned hot as hell. Fast, it didn't last long, but it was hot. A softer wood.

But real hardwoods that grow slowly in cold weather areas don't burn up as fast and can last overnight easily. Especially in a fireplace the size of the one I had.


Well all wood burns hot. Heat value refers to the total heat produced. Mountains out west (from my very limited experience out there) are mostly conifers and aspen. Neither are good heat value. Yes they will burn and produce good heat but not for long.



Personally I think if a kill is clean (legitimate) one shouldn’t lose sleep. Fact is the world is a better place without some people on it.

Oh well if I provide you with a list.......wait nevermind HAHA.

You are right though to be serious. This world would be a way better place without some of the people on it.
 

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Mac, as far as shooting is concerned there's no time like now to start to learn. Forget about the dreamland Wilson Combat Creedmoor for now and get yourself a Rem 700 or Savage in .308 with a decent scope like a Vortex that won't break the bank. You'll want something in .308 regardless of what dream rig you end up with because .308 ammo will be more available and more than enough to take most game. Worst case, you will have an excellent rifle for barter should the need come up.

Get yourself some training. There is a great facility in north Florida. This place is gear towards training tactical teams but they have plenty of civilian courses including three levels of precision rifle, medical, wilderness survival, escape/evasion, etc.

https://www.asymmetricsolutionsusa.com/facilities/north-florida/

Time to spend some time training instead of surfing the internet...

Well, the wife's going back to work and once we get some things squared away, I'll probably look for a used bolt action 6.5 Creedmoor. I know that the .308 is more than fine and ammo is available, but I'm not a "gun guy" insofar as I care about collecting them. I have specific goals in mind.

Just like I was a network engineer and multimedia engineer, but was never a "computer guy". The closest I get to geeking out about computers is watching some Linus Tech Tips or JayzTwoCents on YouTube.

When I talk about guns, it's because my brain is fascinated with ballistics and the physics of hitting a target. Even if I had a walk in safe filed with rifles and shotguns, they'd be for a purpose. It's the engineer's mindset. "Find a need, fill a need" to quote Bigweld.

When I talk about prepping, guns are SOLELY a tool to acquire food and defend me, my family and my property. Well...and hitting targets far away. If I say a gun looks sexy, I'm being facetious. Well, except maybe....maybe... the Steyr Carbon CLii. That thing's pretty sleek.

Also, no way you would know this, but I'm a savant at shopping. I got a massive deal on my Mac Pro 5,1....my house...I actually surprise people. So, when I can, I have faith that I'll get an amazing deal on what I'm looking for...

TOTALLY agree with you about training. I used to laugh when I was training for triathlon and people would try to shave a few ounces from their bike. Um... unless you're totally ripped, you can save the money, work less, ride more and shave POUNDS from the rider and end up better off. A gun without training is more a danger to the one holding it than anyone else.

I'll check out that link.

I will set up a gun bench and make sure I can strip, clean, maintain and reassemble properly any gun I get.

I thought about barter. If I'm lucky enough to attain the resources to fulfill my vision, then I might still stock .308 ammo for trade.

That said, honestly, the best trading ammo would probably be .22lr rimfire. There are umpteen Ruger 10/22s out there, you can find rats, squirrels, rabbits, raccoons and other varmint and you can also take out small coyotes and other small predators. I wouldn't kill opossums because they'd fill the scavenger roll and can't get rabies.
 

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Even a better starting place may be getting a Ruger 10/22 and modding it to a liberty training rifle. You'll want a .22 LR anyway and you can learn the basics of marksmanship for cheap. From there you can get a .308 and get more training.

https://appleseedinfo.org/


oh yeah. Actually, the wife is already on the board with us getting a pair of Ruger 10/22 takedowns. It's just a question of budget priorities at the moment.

She was a range master in boy scouts for bows and 22s. I'm pretty sure she could have done shotgun, but there was never a need. I'm a bit better with the .22 and she's much better with the bow.

I've talked with her about SHTF (she doesn't like talking about it mostly because it's a scary thought) and she'd carry a .22 rifle and a bow or a xbow.
 

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Surviving in a doomsday senario is a young mans game. At my age I wouldnt last very long. In a group I might be of some use because of years of woodcraft. But in the end everything from the elements to a simple mistake or miscalculation causing a break or infection and your done. There will be no time to wait on an old man. Just reality. Of course Liam Neeson might save me who knows.
 

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Oh, also wanted to address something.

If I have SOME resources and it looks like SHTF is gonna happen, but not immediately (such that I could order things, but not relocate the family), then I have an entirely separate plan for that including gearing, weapons, tools, clothing, shelter, water purification, sanitation (toilet paper tablets are the greatest invention, maybe ever) and more.

Mostly, tho, if I had my druthers, I'd have a big, remote spread where we could do the hard work of subsistence living.

The drone thing is interesting. I hadn't thought of that. Part of having a big spread would be securing it. The reason I like some of these is that they're valleys that back up into mountains so there's basically impassable protection on 3 sides. They're also big enough that it's unlikely a person could get in far enough to see us.

That said, it's an interesting question. I could see using one to initiate trade. I expect people to shoot them down on site, tho, so I dunno how long they would be a thing.

Lastly, part of using suppression is not just to help put that second shot down range if I miss, but more importantly to reduce long range detection. That's why so many preppers almost prefer Xbows in that you can make your own ammo from nature and they're whisper quiet...and the form is very similar to a gun.
 

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Surviving in a doomsday senario is a young mans game. At my age I wouldnt last very long. In a group I might be of some use because of years of woodcraft. But in the end everything from the elements to a simple mistake or miscalculation causing a break or infection and your done. There will be no time to wait on an old man. Just reality. Of course Liam Neeson might save me who knows.

If you've seen The Grey, you know that ain't so... LOL
 

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Got a rifle, a shotgun, and a 4-wheel drive and a city boi can survive..."
 

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But real hardwoods that grow slowly in cold weather areas don't burn up as fast and can last overnight easily. Especially in a fireplace the size of the one I had.
Fireplaces aren't exactly the most efficient wood burners for the most part. A good wood burning stove is very controllable and I used to have no problem keeping mine going all night and simply be able to put another piece of mother fucking FIR in it in the morning to keep it going. Granted, most hard woods will burn longer but no matter what wood you use, if you are going to heat your house with it, the key is controlling your burn and get a fucking sweater if you're still too cold. It's not really rocket science.
 

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Fireplaces aren't exactly the most efficient wood burners for the most part. A good wood burning stove is very controllable and I used to have no problem keeping mine going all night and simply be able to put another piece of mother fucking FIR in it in the morning to keep it going. Granted, most hard woods will burn longer but no matter what wood you use, if you are going to heat your house with it, the key is controlling your burn and get a fucking sweater if you're still too cold. It's not really rocket science.

It's not rocket science, you are right.

Putting on another chunk of wood or not doesn't require much critical thinking.

One does not have to be among the cognitive elite to figure that shit out.
 

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It's not rocket science, you are right.

Putting on another chunk of wood or not doesn't require much critical thinking.

One does not have to be among the cognitive elite to figure that shit out.
Fuckin' A
 

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It's not rocket science, you are right.

Putting on another chunk of wood or not doesn't require much critical thinking.

One does not have to be among the cognitive elite to figure that shit out.
Very true but with the right wood and the right stove set up one can let the stove choked down to last 6-10 hours without having to add any wood overnight. Doesn't sound like much but month after month of being the only one to load anything into the stove among the four people in this house it is a big deal to me.;)
 

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Gonna necro this thread.

Hey @bluecoconuts we were talking about the Creedmoor round at one point.

What do you think about the new 6.8 round the Army is moving to, will it displace the Creedmoor 6.5 among enthusiasts and is it a better round?

I expect because at some point there will be milsurp rounds and an ecosystem jump up to support the new platform, I'm curious on your thoughts.

Also, have you fired it and if so what was your impression?
 

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Also, what do you think about the new Barrett Mk22 ASR?

Looks amazing, tough as nails, comes with 3 easy swap barrels .308 (training round as the .300 Norma is too high velocity for many mil ranges), .300 Norma (anti-personnel) and .338 Norma (anti-materiel)

Watched a vid and the sniper, Kevin Owens, who was in charge of developing the system after the PSR ate shit and apparently, it's also available in 6.5 Creedmoor.



Also, one of my boys, the one with the most safety issues with having a gun in the house, just moved out, but now we have a 5 yo in the house and a baby on the way, so any acquisitions would be undertaken with the utmost care...

Still have the bug to shoot, tho, so that's good... although if my health doesn't improve, it's kinda a moot point, but hope abounds.
 

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Gonna necro this thread.

Hey @bluecoconuts we were talking about the Creedmoor round at one point.

What do you think about the new 6.8 round the Army is moving to, will it displace the Creedmoor 6.5 among enthusiasts and is it a better round?

I expect because at some point there will be milsurp rounds and an ecosystem jump up to support the new platform, I'm curious on your thoughts.

Also, have you fired it and if so what was your impression?

I like the 6.8 round, although if I'm being honest, I'm much more interested in the new weapon systems that they're bringing in to use the new round and the upgrades those bring.

That being said, while I do expect their new 6.8 round to flood the market eventually, it probably wont be for another decade. Since the Army is developing a new type of 6.8 round, it'll probably take a bit for the civilian market to adapt to them being wide spread enough, vs if they were to simply adopt the 6.8 SPC. Especially since they're testing things like enclosing the round in plastic that'll be pretty major difference.

In terms of the ballistics, it's hard to say at this point still. 6.5 Creedmoor vs 6.8 SPC, I'd still say the 6.5. However, since we haven't really gotten a good look at the round the Army is going with (they still have a few options to pick from), we don't know what type of improvements or drawbacks they may have. My gut tells me that the 6.5 would still be a superior round, especially at distances, the differences wouldn't be enough for the overwhelming majority of soldiers to tell the difference. They'll be able to tell the difference between 5.56 and their new 6.8, but not 6.5 vs 6.8... And those that would in specialized roles and units will be able to get their hands on the 6.5 if they need.

I haven't gotten my hands on any of the new rounds unfortunately, they seem to be keeping them under decent lock at key, although it would be nice. None of my buddies have yet either, but those in SOCOM units will get their hands on anything first, and I'll report anything they tell me. We're still years away though, so they might get out before that, some of these guys are approaching 15 years in already.


In terms of the new M22 ASR, it's such a nice gun, I love it. The ability to swap out the chamber is really nice, although I am bummed to see them phase out the M2010 ESR... My main rifle of choice in Iraq was my M24, and in Afghanistan, the M2010, so seeing the Army move away from the M24 completely to the M2010 was sad enough, seeing them phase it out for the M22 ASR will hurt a little as well. It's a better rifle, but there's just something about the M24 that I'll always love.
 

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Honestly, I just like that even a lot of SOCOM guys who’ve been diehard .308 guys have adopted the 6.5 Creedmoor. You were absolutely right about that.

Not surprised that they are moving from the .50 cal to the .338 Norma for anti-materiel. Just makes sense.
 

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Honestly, I just like that even a lot of SOCOM guys who’ve been diehard .308 guys have adopted the 6.5 Creedmoor. You were absolutely right about that.

Not surprised that they are moving from the .50 cal to the .338 Norma for anti-materiel. Just makes sense.

Why are you looking at a $17K rifle that doesn't even include an optic?

Go buy a Ruger 10/22 and learn to shoot 1" groups at 25 yards. Then start stretching it out to 100 yards.

If for some reason you want to skip a .22 as your first rifle, go buy a Remington 700 in .308. That will take you out to 800 yards and be perfect for learning to read the wind and understand how to use your optic.

It is very unlikely that you even have a place to shoot past 800 yards anyway.
 

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Why are you looking at a $17K rifle that doesn't even include an optic?

Go buy a Ruger 10/22 and learn to shoot 1" groups at 25 yards. Then start stretching it out to 100 yards.

If for some reason you want to skip a .22 as your first rifle, go buy a Remington 700 in .308. That will take you out to 800 yards and be perfect for learning to read the wind and understand how to use your optic.

It is very unlikely that you even have a place to shoot past 800 yards anyway.
Great advice.
 

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Why are you looking at a $17K rifle that doesn't even include an optic?

Go buy a Ruger 10/22 and learn to shoot 1" groups at 25 yards. Then start stretching it out to 100 yards.

If for some reason you want to skip a .22 as your first rifle, go buy a Remington 700 in .308. That will take you out to 800 yards and be perfect for learning to read the wind and understand how to use your optic.

It is very unlikely that you even have a place to shoot past 800 yards anyway.

Well, as I stated earlier in this thread, they fascinate me. Ballistics and the science and art of hitting a target at long range really...fascinates me.

So I'm looking at a $17k rifle just like car guys look at $3M hypercars... even though there's no chance they'll a) ever see one let alone own one and b) even if they did, they certainly wouldn't get to drive any faster than one could go in a Camaro.

One could ask the same question of car guys. "Why bother even looking at that Ferrari? A Camaro ZL1 fully loaded is $75k and most people who don't hit a track will never get close to what that can do, let alone a top of the line Ferrari, McLaren or Bugatti."

It's all in fun...and getting to dream a little. That's okay, isn't it?

The wife and I already have a plan to get a pair of Ruger 10/22 takedowns to go plinking with. She's been a Boy Scout Rangemaster for both bow and bb and could do both .22 and shotgun, but they never needed her to do it even as she was trained to do it. I'm a smidge better on the .22 or was and she's much better with the bow.

When I do get guns, after the pair of 10/22s, I'd like to get a Mossberg 590A1 for home defense and then I'll look for a used 6.5 Creedmoor, more than likely a bolt action, but I don't have any issues with an AR platform. And unless I find it better to build one myself, probably on an AR10 platform. That said, over the next few years, with so many people overbuying guns and my good luck in finding deals, I fully expect to be able to find a really decent used bargain.

Mostly, my question was about leveraging @bluecoconuts expertise. Part of that is that milsurp ammo can be cheap and decent range rounds and with larger rounds, that adds up. So, if the 6.8 SPC round were about to become a pretty standard round, after a bit, there'd be milsurp available making it less expensive. This matters to me as I don't plan to buy a lot of guns and will spend my time getting good on a few platforms (.22lr, 6.5Creedmoor).

I'd like to hunt, but my health might not allow it. That said, doesn't mean I can't shoot...necessarily.

I haven't bought any guns because both my adult boys have had suicidal ideation in the past and I don't feel it safe to have guns, even locked up in my home at this time. My one son just moved out, but my other son is still at home. However, he's the lesser danger.

If I do buy guns, I'll already have a gun safe installed in my house so that the moment I bring any guns home, they'll be secured.

Alternatively, if I find a local gun club that I like, I might rent a secure locker and store them there, presuming they have them. I dunno about that as I don't think shooting has to be political and while I'm a 2A guy, I don't really vibe with bumper sticker crowd and I wanna be able to have fun at the range. I live in a pretty bumper sticker county so I dunno how it'll be at the various ranges around here of if I'll need to drive a bit.

I dunno, it's all fun to think about right now. I've shot in the past and really enjoyed it. I hope to do it again and sooner than later.
 

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So I picked up shooting a bow in the last 4 months and can get a type group of 5 arrows at 30 yards now. Anybody else now hunt? Any tips or advice from experience you could throw at me??

I was going to start an old thread but what’s the point? Lol oldie but goodie!

Also, I just got into reloading, anybody else reload? Prices are outrageous right now, that is if you can find anything.

Anybody find any good cheats as far as reloading goes lately?