Dotson and a contract

[Allen2McVay]

Whitworth was durable. Tyron Smith is not. Smith has not played a full season in almost 10 years. In the past 4 seasons, he has missed 37 games.

 

[Noregar]

Whitworth was durable. Tyron Smith is not. Smith has not played a full season in almost 10 years. In the past 4 seasons, he has missed 37 games.

Agreed!

I did a little more research and your right (did not realize he has missed that many games). Way too much of a risk at premium money. Maybe on more a moderate contract he has some value but then the rams may be better off investing those $$ into Jackson.

 

[Merlin]

Problem with a team like the Rams is everyone wants a piece of that success come FA. So even Shelton who is mediocre as hell might get the Corbs treatment, i.e. dumb team throwing a bit too much money at him.

I am so fucking tired of OL uncertainty. Of the line starting the season slow. But if they are that far away with Dotson then cut bait because there is always a team willing to pony up crazy money in FA.

This also just brings me back around to LT. Feels like a great time to do it. There are loads of options slated to go off second half of round one. Hopefully the one the Rams prefer is there at 19. And if not then there will be a top edge or corner or they drop a little and scoop another pick.

 

[PhillyRam]

I must have written this badly. I think it's clear. It's definitely accurate.
However, three posters ... two good ones ... have questioned its accuracy.

The Kevin Dotson Trade:
Rams sent their 4th round pick in 2024 and their 5th round pick in 2025 to Pittsburgh
Rams received Dotson, plus the Steelers' 5th round pick in 2024 and their 6th round pick in 2025

To the 3 posters who have questioned its accuracy ... especially the 2 good ones ...
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A little funky...but I wasn't 100% sure that it was correct. So just wanted to be clear. And it was late when I looked at it..

 

[snackdaddy]

Sounds like we're not gonna know anything for at least a week and a half concerning Dotson and Shelton. If we lose them I hope the replacements are not downgrades. I like Snead's analogy "You can't microwave the process". As fans we get impatient. But we're gonna have to wait to and see what happens.

The Rams haven't historically gotten involved with the initial high dollar signing frenzy when it begins. Its possible if Shelton and Dotson are offered a deal when it starts it won't be from us.

 

[dieterbrock]

The Rams haven't historically gotten involved with the initial high dollar signing frenzy when it begins. Its possible if Shelton and Dotson are offered a deal when it starts it won't be from us.

Big Whit would disagree there…. But more to the point the Rams have also typically rewarded their key guys with extensions before reaching this point, so it appears to me the whole process may be going a bit off book. Things atypical for a Rams off season (so far)
- They have a 1st round pick
- They have some cap space to spend if they want
- They’re letting key free agents test the market

 

[Dodgersrf]

Didn't we just move up and down rounds?

That’s what I thought.

 

[Ram Ts]

I see the number $9M being thrown around for Shelton. Did he play anywhere close to that? No. I’d say $6M/yr would be the tops I’m looking at paying. Although it would force our draft hand there are 3-5 centers who could be starters.

The important thing to remember is the Rams have leverage here. Heck, in a pinch, they could even bring back Allen for a few games.

If Shelton gets anything near $9m, the Rams need to leave the table and get a center elsewhere. Solid guy but not worth that at all.

 

[Allen2McVay]

That’s what I thought.

The Kevin Dotson Trade:
Rams sent their 4th round pick in 2024 and their 5th round pick in 2025 to Pittsburgh
Rams received Dotson, plus the Steelers' 5th round pick in 2024 and their 6th round pick in 2025

 

[So Ram]

View: https://x.com/adamgrosbard/status/1762936029336723883?s=61&t=lgp1gRmUcyNSF5v7CIHwMg


View: https://youtu.be/gFvdsl2UbbM?si=3ZNAqgKOMPS63HAv

Pretty much says do not expect either to sign, if at all, until free agency starts March-12.

He said putting it in the oven,you can’t microwave them.Shake & Bake baby. Les used that phrase at least 5 times in answers.

 

[PhillyRam]

Big Whit would disagree there…. But more to the point the Rams have also typically rewarded their key guys with extensions before reaching this point, so it appears to me the whole process may be going a bit off book. Things atypical for a Rams off season (so far)
- They have a 1st round pick
- They have some cap space to spend if they want
- They’re letting key free agents test the market

I think it's more like they are letting the market set the parameters for a deal for those guys, and the agents for those players are really the ones choosing to do that.

 

[Rams43]

Okay, I just read this entire thread at one sitting.

And a critically important factor has not been mentioned even once.

Namely, the collaboration of Wendell and Munchak yielded incredible results from 4 of Rams 5 OL players.

Jackson- career year
Avila- amazing rookie season and moreover he kept improving by leaps and bounds.
Shelton- best season of HIS career.
Dotson- improved from a lightly regarded LG to a stud RG his first year here. Best season of HIS career.
Hav- had his usual steady fine season, no dramatic improvement for him.

So, what’s the common denominator? Wendell and Munchak, y’all. Does anybody in their right mind think all of the above OL results was a coincidence?

So, here is my rather obvious point. Should both Shelton and Dotson walk it’s NOT the end of the world. Rams can and will replace both, if necessary, via FA and/or draft and I suspect that this Wendell/Munchak duo will polish the newbies up into highly productive OL just as they did Shelton and Dotson last year and all will be well.

Tons of cap dollars will be saved and I suspect that Rams will even have an upgrade at OC as a bonus.

 

[dieterbrock]

I think it's more like they are letting the market set the parameters for a deal for those guys, and the agents for those players are really the ones choosing to do that.

Well the point was that’s not how the Rams have typically handled their FA’s, and in fact there philosophy in many ways this off season will be atypical to what we’ve seen.

 

[hotanez]

Okay, I just read this entire thread at one sitting.

And a critically important factor has not been mentioned even once.

Namely, the collaboration of Wendell and Munchak yielded incredible results from 4 of Rams 5 OL players.

Jackson- career year
Avila- amazing rookie season and moreover he kept improving by leaps and bounds.
Shelton- best season of HIS career.
Dotson- improved from a lightly regarded LG to a stud RG his first year here. Best season of HIS career.
Hav- had his usual steady fine season, no dramatic improvement for him.

So, what’s the common denominator? Wendell and Munchak, y’all. Does anybody in their right mind think all of the above OL results was a coincidence?

So, here is my rather obvious point. Should both Shelton and Dotson walk it’s NOT the end of the world. Rams can and will replace both, if necessary, via FA and/or draft and I suspect that this Wendell/Munchak duo will polish the newbies up into highly productive OL just as they did Shelton and Dotson last year and all will be well.

Tons of cap dollars will be saved and I suspect that Rams will even have an upgrade at OC as a bonus.

I don't think Munchak is still with the Rams staff

 

[Malibu]

OK. Per both Spotrac and OTC, the highest paid guards in the NFL are Quentin Nelson and Chris Lindstrom.
They both have contracts that average $20M-per-year, with a high of $48M guaranteed.

Say Dotson's reps want more.
The cap just saw a huge jump; and there are 8 or 9 teams with more than $50M of cap space right now.

Suppose Dotson's reps tell the Rams ... 'You want us to pass on at least seeing what other teams may offer? OK, it will cost you 5 years / $125M ($25M-per-year), with $70M guaranteed.'

Do you want the Rams to do that? I don't.

I franchise him and trade the mother fucker to a shit team and tell him to have a great life after a phenomenal organization resurrected his career and this is your pov Go F yourself. We are the Rams you should be lucky to be invited to stay. Enjoy Carolina or the Raiders and see how fun constant losing is as well as multiple regime changes and you getting terminated on your deal after 2-3 years vs staying with the Rams and enjoying McVay and a super solid perennial playoff team.

Later bitch that's what I'd say.

 

[Cjcinec]

I franchise him and trade the mother fucker to a shit team and tell him to have a great life after a phenomenal organization resurrected his career and this is your pov Go F yourself. We are the Rams you should be lucky to be invited to stay. Enjoy Carolina or the Raiders and see how fun constant losing is as well as multiple regime changes and you getting terminated on your deal after 2-3 years vs staying with the Rams and enjoying McVay and a super solid perennial playoff team.

Later bitch that's what I'd say.

The man earned his opportunity for a payday after 4 years in the league. It’s the second contract which is likely the only opportunity he’ll have to secure his future. He hasn’t went anywhere yet just wants to explore the market. Rams will have an opportunity and make a decision. Have you ever left a job for a better opportunity? Seriously that was one of the most childish takes I have ever read. Grow up.

 

[dang]

I franchise him and trade the mother fucker to a shit team and tell him to have a great life after a phenomenal organization resurrected his career and this is your pov Go F yourself. We are the Rams you should be lucky to be invited to stay. Enjoy Carolina or the Raiders and see how fun constant losing is as well as multiple regime changes and you getting terminated on your deal after 2-3 years vs staying with the Rams and enjoying McVay and a super solid perennial playoff team.

Later bitch that's what I'd say.

I feel similar but in reality this may be Dotsons only chance to get paid big $$$.
Now I will say if Dotson goes to another team like Carolina because they offered something like $76m/4 yr ($19m/yr) with $40m guaranteed while the Rams offered $68m/4 yr ($16m/yr) with $34m guaranteed. Then I say good riddance and enjoy the additional $6m. You may need every bit of it to buffer the misery of playing for a shit organization for the next 2-3 years.

 

[PhillyRam]

Well the point was that’s not how the Rams have typically handled their FA’s, and in fact there philosophy in many ways this off season will be atypical to what we’ve seen.

What leverage do they have? I think agents want to see what the +30M cap does to the marketplace.

BTW, I recall Floyd hitting the market and they resigned him when many thought he would go to SD with Staley.

They also "let" Miller hit the market and still tried to resign him, but failed. Again, the agents hold the cards.

Sure, they got Robinson done, but he wasn't going to be a first wave FA like Dotson or even Shelton.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I franchise him and trade the mother fucker to a shit team and tell him to have a great life after a phenomenal organization resurrected his career and this is your pov Go F yourself. We are the Rams you should be lucky to be invited to stay. Enjoy Carolina or the Raiders and see how fun constant losing is as well as multiple regime changes and you getting terminated on your deal after 2-3 years vs staying with the Rams and enjoying McVay and a super solid perennial playoff team.

Later bitch that's what I'd say.

And yet you are somehow NOT an NFL General Manager. Some things just make no sense ... No Sense AT ALL!

 

[PhillyRam]

OK. Per both Spotrac and OTC, the highest paid guards in the NFL are Quentin Nelson and Chris Lindstrom.
They both have contracts that average $20M-per-year, with a high of $48M guaranteed.

Say Dotson's reps want more.
The cap just saw a huge jump; and there are 8 or 9 teams with more than $50M of cap space right now.

Suppose Dotson's reps tell the Rams ... 'You want us to pass on at least seeing what other teams may offer? OK, it will cost you 5 years / $125M ($25M-per-year), with $70M guaranteed.'

Do you want the Rams to do that? I don't.

Exactly. The Rams are not choosing to do anything other than choosing not to pay him waaay over market value to keep him before FA hits. And why would anyone want them to pay an OG $20M a yr?

He may find out his market value is only $13M a yr and then the Rams may decide he is worth that. However, he will likely get a team, in dire need of OL help, that has $60M plus of cap room available, to overpay him.

If so then the Rams get a good comp pick, because I believe Snead has already said they will keep in mind the comp formula and they will prioritize released players to avoid canceling out their own losses.

That's why a guy like Xavien Howard could be a target if his contract demands are doable.