Does resting our starters in preseason contribute to injuries?

[Steve808]

Or maybe we just have a team full of malingerers. Yeah maybe I should just stay quiet. Last time I said something critical about McVay and the preparation of this team thus far I was welcomed by all the apologist committee who think he can do no wrong. But anyways lets see if McVay the genius savant can turn this team around. Hoping he does but I do remain skeptical.

To be fair, McVay's best coaching job may have been last season.

 

[Merlin]

I don’t want injuries in preseason like everyone here, but are we in game shape come week 1?

Does that have anything to do with it?

Is it really freakish bad luck?

If resting starters in PS is supposed to help us be healthy for the season, is that working?

I don’t know? It’s a physical game, I get it… but the amount of injuries seems hard to cast off as bad luck.

It's a fair question. Not gonna deny that I haven't been thinking about it too. I accept that we're a slow start team, in terms of hitting on all cylinders, due to McVay's preseason approach. But it's fair to say maybe there's more drawbacks, like football fitness in terms of taking and delivering hits.

Teams, by the way, undoubtedly get into the weeds on this shit too. They have the data to check the injury rates of rosters based on preseason snaps and correlate it. So if there is a football fitness type element at play then I imagine we'll see teams take a step back from the rest approach in preseason and maybe move to a couple series or maybe a little more.

And if that happens you can bet McVay will be at the fore of it. So time will tell that tale for sure.

 

[Loyal]

It's a fair question. Not gonna deny that I haven't been thinking about it too. I accept that we're a slow start team, in terms of hitting on all cylinders, due to McVay's preseason approach. But it's fair to say maybe there's more drawbacks, like football fitness in terms of taking and delivering hits.

Teams, by the way, undoubtedly get into the weeds on this shit too. They have the data to check the injury rates of rosters based on preseason snaps and correlate it. So if there is a football fitness type element at play then I imagine we'll see teams take a step back from the rest approach in preseason and maybe move to a couple series or maybe a little more.

And if that happens you can bet McVay will be at the fore of it. So time will tell that tale for sure.

Also, could it be the team would be in better shape if we went back to two-a-day practices in camp? These type practices are Bear Bryant approved!

 

[dang]

Also, could it be the team would be in better shape if we went back to two-a-day practices in camp? These type practices are Bear Bryant approved!

And no more than 2 sips from the water hose.

 

[den-the-coach]

It also makes me wonder about Reggie Scott and the conditioning program....

I concur along with Strength & Conditioning Coach Justin Lovett.

 

[Loyal]

I concur along with Strength & Conditioning Coach Justin Lovett.

Could you imagine Bobby Brown doing two-a-day practices in camp? If he survived it, I don't think he'd wear out in the 2nd quarter of games!

 

[FaulkSF]

@CGI_Ram do you have a comparative study as far as injury history for teams that play starters in preseason? Without that it’s difficult to project cause and effect. I’d also state there are too many other factors for consideration including, but not limited to strength and conditioning program, individual rehab persistence, weather, hydration, diet, conditioning, nature of plays with potential for injury, etc.

 

[Alaskan Ram]

I disagree on the hip drop tackle by AZ on Kupp. The tackling player did not trap Kupp’s legs underneath him. They were rolled up on by the 2nd tackler.

This video angle shows the first hip drop tackling player executing a banned hip drop tackle.

 

[Jacobarch]

This video angle shows the first hip drop tackling player executing a banned hip drop tackle.

If the NFL wants to get real with their rules. If they miss a call on the field of play during a game and the opposing player gets injured. That player that injured him, instead of paying a fine, the offending player should have to ride the bench for as long as the other player is out with the injury...

 

[VegasRam]

Thank you. Good points.

Your welcome.

(next time do some research)

 

[FaulkSF]

This video angle shows the first hip drop tackling player executing a banned hip drop tackle.

The clip I saw had an angle and wasn’t clear to show the ankle getting caught underneath 34. I agree with you.

 

[WarnerToBruce]

If the NFL wants to get real with their rules. If they miss a call on the field of play during a game and the opposing player gets injured. That player that injured him, instead of paying a fine, the offending player should have to ride the bench for as long as the other player is out with the injury...

That is so funny. I thought the same thing. This hip drop thing would die out like the dodo bird after Wagner sits out for a year.

 

[WarnerToBruce]

While we're discussing injuries, I saw an interesting thing this last week related to a pet peeve of mine.

I HATE when a player (or players) tackle(s) a guy when he's already clearly down by contact. This has been happening for years, but I've noticed it has gone to a whole new level where they seem to think it shows how tough they are they hit a guy when he's down.

Well a ref FINALLY threw a flag on a dude for spearing a player who was clearly down. Of course he complained about it, 'cuz he's a schmuck, but if this were enforced regularly, it would lead to something good.

To tie this thought to this thread, this also has an impact on the increase of injuries in this league. Injuries happen regularly after the player is down and other teammates swoop in to pile on.

/endpeeve

 

[dpjax]

This video angle shows the first hip drop tackling player executing a banned hip drop tackle.

The league made such a point about it yet it’s not being called. Here’s another one on Joe Mixon.


View: https://youtu.be/Ye_2tw6Pmnc?si=yofVlfdGA0bSSlmp

 

[FaulkSF]

The league made such a point about it yet it’s not being called. Here’s another one on Joe Mixon.


View: https://youtu.be/Ye_2tw6Pmnc?si=yofVlfdGA0bSSlmp

Saw that one live and was waiting for the flag. That’s as clear as day.

 

[Alaskan Ram]

The league made such a point about it yet it’s not being called. Here’s another one on Joe Mixon.


View: https://youtu.be/Ye_2tw6Pmnc?si=yofVlfdGA0bSSlmp

That one is more egregious to me, had much more of the deliberate, "unweighting" element to it. Some are arguing Kupp's tackler dived and got dragged. Might be true. But due to my Fan goggles I just see a guy who dove into an unweighted inverted leg breaker on purpose. Off with his head!

 

[dieterbrock]

It's not just the Rams, although they do seem to have it worse than most. I think the scary reality is that guys played with injuries in the past that they shouldnt have, and now guys are hitting the tent or locker room instead of just spraying a little windex on it

 

[blackbart]

Undoubtedly something(s) have changed that is contributing to the unprecedented number of injuries however pointing to a single thing would be hard to prove.

The players have been asking to get rid of artificial turf.

Players are bigger and faster, this combined with questionable conditioning of some could be partially to blame.

The money for teams and players is obscene. Does this affect what guys are willing to endure?

Being in great shape is not the same as being in game shape. I don’t think combined practices elevate the speed and hits to the same level as live fire experienced in actual games.

The length of the season has to be a consideration too. Shutting someone down for the first month still gives ample time for the team to ramp up at the end of the year.

Take your pick, there are plenty causes to choose from.

 

[Oregonram]

It also makes me wonder about Reggie Scott and the conditioning program....

Are these players on diet restrictions. Do we have guys eating vegan and not getting the B12 they need? Beef beef beef…it should be what’s for dinner.

 

[0311rams]

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