Do the Cardinals trade Rosen?

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I am starting to believe there could be something to this story.

And... if you’re the Cardinals, and love Murray, why not?

They’re in position to ensure they have the QB they want. It’s an unusual position, but they hold the cards.

Rosen has solid trade value.

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https://www.abc15.com/sports/nfl-dr...nals-will-trade-josh-rosen-draft-kyler-murray

NFL Draft expert: 'More probable than not' that Cardinals will trade Josh Rosen, draft Kyler Murray
Steve Keim added fuel to the fire Wednesday

Kliff Kingsbury unintentionally lit the fire four months ago, and Steve Keim poured fuel on it Wednesday.

Before being named the Arizona Cardinals' head coach in January, Kingsbury served as the head coach at Texas Tech -- and as his team was getting ready to play Oklahoma in October, he said he would draft OU quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner Kyler Murray with the No. 1 pick in the NFL Draft if he could.

Well, lo and behold, Kingsbury is now the head coach of the NFL team that happens to own the No. 1 pick in April's draft. This has led to speculation that the Cardinals could trade quarterback Josh Rosen, whom the Cardinals selected in the first round of the 2018 draft, and select Murray with that top pick.

Then, at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis on Wednesday, Keim, the Cardinals' general manager, was asked whether Rosen is the Cardinals' quarterback.

"Yeah. He is right now, for sure," Keim said.

"Right now?" That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement for your franchise QB going forward. But then again, we in the media tend to over-analyze just about everything that coaches and GMs say.

So, what should we make of Keim's comment? Is there a real possibility that the Cardinals could deal Rosen in favor of Murray?

ESPN NFL Draft expert Louis Riddick says yes.

"There’s a lot you can actually read into what he said and how he said it," Riddick told ABC15 about Keim's comment. "General managers know what kind of signals they’re putting out there, especially when they use verbiage like that — 'for now’ — when they talk about quarterbacks in particular. You’ve heard people do it in the past, and usually what that means is, yeah, he is for now, unless we think we have something better.

"Kyler Murray is someone who new head coach Kliff Kingsbury has obviously a lot of admiration for and feels as though he would be someone in the type of offense he would ideally like to run. So, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility at all. As a matter of fact, I think it’s more probable than not, to use some of the league’s terminology, that Kyler Murray winds up on this football team, and maybe as the No. 1 overall pick. I don’t think we should be shocked — as a matter of fact, I think we should prepare ourselves for that. It’s not a stretch to say go ahead and prepare yourself to see Josh Rosen in another uniform down the line."

The Cardinals selected Rosen with the 10th overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft. A prototypical pocket passer, he started 13 games in his rookie season, completing 55.2 percent of his passes with 11 touchdowns and 14 interceptions.

Despite playing behind a makeshift offensive line, Rosen's mediocre numbers have some fans and experts wondering if he can develop into the Cards' QB of the future.

Murray, meanwhile, is a true dual-threat QB. He threw 42 touchdowns with seven interceptions and rushed for 1,001 yards and 12 touchdowns for Oklahoma last season.

"He's a dynamic talent," Kingsbury said about Murray in an interview with ESPN on Wednesday. "To be the quickest player on the field regardless of position, and then to be able to drop back and beat you in the passing game as well -- I just think the world of him as a player and a person, having recruited him in high school and knowing what he's about, and I think he's going to continue to prove people wrong at the next level."

But Kingsbury also gave his current quarterback a ringing endorsement.

"Josh is our starter. That's the guy that it's been and will continue to be," he said. "We love Josh. He's a top-10 pick for this organization for a reason, and I'm excited to work with him."

Regardless of how things play out, Riddick is intrigued to see what happens with the Cardinals and the No. 1 pick as April's draft approaches.

"Teams, a lot of times, mask their intentions. But again, reading into what (Keim) said -- and I don’t like to blow things out of proportion, quite honestly — but I think that was very telling what was said here today in Indianapolis," Riddick said.

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/02/does-washington-want-josh-rosen/

Does Washington want Josh Rosen?

Washington needs a quarterback, but Washington won’t be able to sink a lot of money into a quarterback, given the money committed to Alex Smith. With Smith likely to miss 2019 (and possibly never play again) after suffering a badly broken leg last season, Washington’s options are limited.

One option would be to trade for Josh Rosen, if the Cardinals indeed plan to take Kyler Murray with the first pick in the draft. Tony Pauline of DraftAnalyst.com reports that multiple sources have indicated that Washington is talking openly about trading for Rosen, if Arizona decides to make the move.

Washington holds the 15th pick in the 2019 draft; Arizona acquired Rosen with pick No. 10 a year ago. Arizona paid Rosen a signing bonus of $10.878 million and a 2018 base salary of $480,000, leaving only $6.239 million to be paid out over the next three years. Come 2022, Rosen’s fifth-year option would become the quarterback transition-tag number for 2021, since he was a top-10 pick. By 2021, however, Smith’s $31 million in remaining injury guarantees will have exited the books.

It’s unclear whether the Cardinals would take the 15th overall pick for Rosen, or whether they would want more — especially since they’d be handing to a new team a very affordable quarterback contract, with an average of $2.079 million per year through 2021.
 

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I think the Cardinals talking about drafting Murray is just s smokescreen to increase the #1 pick trade value. Of course they will want two #1's and two #2's picks to trade out IF they can find a trade partner.
 

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Of course they will want two #1's and two #2's picks to trade out IF they can find a trade partner.

Great Point, but Kliff Timothy Kingsbury is a wild card and IMO, he's in love with Murray, I believe trading Rosen is very possible and don't be shocked if the Miami Dolphins could be the team that Rosen ends up with.
 

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Great Point, but Kliff Timothy Kingsbury is a wild card and IMO, he's in love with Murray, I believe trading Rosen is very possible and don't be shocked if the Miami Dolphins could be the team that Rosen ends up with.
How about the Redskins? Seems they would be in the market for a QB, have the need that's for sure..
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100% yes. if theres an option in the sportsbook for this bet ill be betting all my rod credit on it. id even go as far to say they already told Murray they will/likely will select him and that played apart in him entering the draft
 

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Will be interesting to see how this turns out. If trading Rosen is the answer, what will they get back. Could set the Cardinals up in a very good spot going foward.
 

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How about the Redskins? Seems they would be in the market for a QB, have the need that's for sure..
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I'm sure Washington will be in the mix, however, I guess it will come down to the highest bidder, but trading a player out of conference is always a plus.
 

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@den-the-coach stole my thunder.
I was gonna put my stamp on Miami for Rosen. I think Arizona will take Murray. And cut their losses, take the #13 pick for him. It’s a bad look but it basically only cost a 3rd and 5th. I don’t think they do much better than that.
My 2nd W.A. guess would be New England. If Rosen price drops far enough that a package of the #32 and a couple other pieces, would make a lot of sense.
Rosen has that Patriot-Douchiness that seems to be a fit
 

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I'm sure Washington will be in the mix, however, I guess it will come down to the highest bidder, but trading a player out of conference is always a plus.
Skins have the 15th pick in first round, that would be a get for Kingsbury i'd think
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Skins have the 15th pick in first round, that would be a get for Kingsbury i'd think
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Miami has the 13th, so that trumps 15 and I'm betting the California kid would choose South Beach over D.C.
 
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I didn’t get to watch as much college football as usual this year. Is Murray similar to RGIII? We all know how that ended up.
 

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In the ROD mock he's up for grabs but then so is the #1 pick.
 

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I think the Cardinals talking about drafting Murray is just s smokescreen to increase the #1 pick trade value. Of course they will want two #1's and two #2's picks to trade out IF they can find a trade partner.

I can never agree with this logic especially when it comes to being in a spot to draft a franchise QB. The Cardinals either want Kyler Murray or they don't. You don't trade out of the spot if you actually want him.
 

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Miami has the 13th, so that trumps 15 and I'm betting the California kid would choose South Beach over D.C.

Well, Rosen doesn't get a say. But yes, the Redskins would probably need to trade more than their 1st, if they want a young cheap QB with upside to solve the Alex Smith dilemma. Unless they believe that Smith is going to be back and healthy in 2020, that is likely their best option. And they need to decide before the league year, so that they can do something else if they get outbid.
 

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I can never agree with this logic especially when it comes to being in a spot to draft a franchise QB. The Cardinals either want Kyler Murray or they don't. You don't trade out of the spot if you actually want him.

Their new HC apparently wants him - and if you hire a new HC and can easily get him the QB he wants, you do it.
 

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Their new HC apparently wants him - and if you hire a new HC and can easily get him the QB he wants, you do it.

Totally agree. I'm just saying you can never create a draft day smoke screen in that situation. You either want Murray or you don't.
 

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Totally agree. I'm just saying you can never create a draft day smoke screen in that situation. You either want Murray or you don't.

I suspect that it'll be obvious by the beginning of the league year. If Rosen is traded, then we'll know that Murray is being drafted.
 

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tellin ya one thing i'm not happy about, that being a bidding was between Miami and Wash for Rosen, too much upside for Zona
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