Derion Kendrick

[Allen2McVay]

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And as an aside---this deification of Staley and Pleasant and the demagoguing of Morris is very odd.

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[AvengerRam]

Derion, my wayward son,
There’ll be peace when you are done.

 

[“Turbo set!”]

If they put him in one on one coverage the Rams must blitz to not give time for a deep route to be run. That is one solution.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Replace him, I am done.
He is a Fucking 6th rounder. We will have lots and lots of picks next draft. Draft a couple of corner backs and tell him to hit the road.
Here is his problem, his brain.
Dumb as a box of hammers and you can not fix stupid.

The more polite way to say it is that he has too many mental errors

Certainly not the best game for Kendricks today..

Wouldn't Durant be a better option at this point out wide?

In coverage, yes. For tackling, no.

Spoon has always been the guy who can lock down a good matchup but when that other player has the quality he gets roasted. And he's up and down as a result.

I don't want to knock the guy because I do appreciate what he brings. But Olave is the kind of guy who will give him fits. Olave will probably roast all our dudes honestly. But I think the best suited matchup for him is Durant. We'll see what the Rams do here though, no idea how they're going to approach this or if it's even worth worrying about. His health might solve that for us.

They are liable to go into the prevent mode with the 10 yard cushions, like they did after some of the Commodes big plays. I understand why they would feel its necessary, but it keeps the defense on the field, eats up clock, and allows scoring drives anyway. Many predicted a lot of shoot outs this season. I think I'd prefer that to allowing long slow scoring drives all game.

 

[So Ram]

Oldbutnotdead makes a good point about Kendrick’s speed.He is not quick of foot.

The good thing is he has a relievers mentality,he forgets the play he messed up on & still competes.That last long scoring drive really safes The Rams by eating all that clock. Watching the SEAHAGs game(Monday night) shows how a team can DOMINATE & still loss by letting the other team to comeback.

Oldbutnotdeads take on Kyren Williams was totally wrong.His speed is good & quickness is even better.I know he has gotten caught by DB’s from behind,but for 20 yards he is as fast as any RB.

 

[JimY53]

And there is an aspect I may have wrong.

Think is cover-6 (quarters to the 3 receiver side and halves to the 2 receiver side)
HOWEVER---I think there was a TRIX call (Fangio terminology for poach or robber)
Second HOWEVER if there is a TRIX call it would make sense for Kendrick to force the X receiver outside.
if it was going to be Cover-2 then yearh, inside because safety can get there, but Cover-2 with a robber (TRIX) you have no help deep and sideline is your friend so I am confused there.

But---let's assume I am right, Cover-6 with a TRIX call.
Kendrick has #1 receives (X) in MEG (man everywhere he goes)
Fuller shuffles and tries not to give away that he's robbing. He's looking for the #3 receiver to run a post or dig, an in-breaking route the 2 LBers take the #3 receivers and match with the near side matching short Johnson the right safety caps the #3 or #2 if #3 cuts in Durant as the #1 near side (strong) in MOD (Man outside and deep) if he cuts in then the slot has to read that and pick up #1 and Durant takes someone deep "looks for work"

Durant has outside leverage. His help is inside. And then as route develops the WR is outside...to complete that it is tough throw over him.
Lake as the #2 pretty good Johnson, I put a question mark...he looks a little out of place, but then again, I probably don't know what he's is supposed to do. On the other hand, Johnson and Fuller have looked like they have made mistakes the last 3 games.

So, questions
Was there a TRIX call? Were they expecting, say a post for #3 strong?
Did Fuller go solo?
Was he supposed to cap the route and help Kendrick? Without TRIX call I think yes.

As it was he saw the problem (kept eyes on QB) and hightailed it out of there to try and at least bracket the #1 weak.
But Kendrick beat, ball a bit underthrown making it look closer than it was if ball perfect, but backup QBs? Darn good throw.

So, there it is, the best I can do. The leverage with Kendrick bothers me a little ...

 

[JimY53]

This looks like 2-man (Fangio Cover-5)
Kendrick has outside leverage, so he wants to funnel inside
so he HAS to be expecting deep help.

Fuller ... LOOKS to be cheating towards the MOF -- is he looking for a post? Is it the call?
Kendrick was beat early, and then after the penalty beat again. Sure it looks great to
be in press but if someone cannot play it...not sure it's the right thing.

You can see good coverage elsewhere and Johnson III caps the 1/2 field

Now---caveats
In Fangio 2-man is called Cover-5\
Okay, cover-5 has flavors
the one I show is Cover-5 Fist, 2- deep safeties playing 1/2 the field, everyone else man-to-man
someone may tell me I am wrong and it is Cover 5 Pounder -- 2 deep safeties playing 1/4 of the field deep, everyone else man-to-man
or it could be Cover-5 Finger, with one safety 1/2 field and the other 1/4 everyone else man-to-man,

This COULD be Cov-5 finger which is why Fuller looks to squirrely to me. I just cannot fathom why he does not help Kendrick.
I know of know call that would cause it. But that does not mean this isn't one.

So, my best efforts tell me some form of Cover-5 Fist, possibly Cover-5 Pounder.

 

[jjab360]

Derion, my wayward son,
There’ll be peace when you are done.

Post of the year candidate right here

 

[Merlin]

Fuller ... LOOKS to be cheating towards the MOF -- is he looking for a post? Is it the call?
Kendrick was beat early, and then after the penalty beat again. Sure it looks great to
be in press but if someone cannot play it...not sure it's the right thing.

Yeah the frustrating aspect of looking at this stuff is we don't know the nuance of the calls and who has what specific responsibility. But what it looks like to me is that Fuller had a chance to make a play there but was late.

Also just generally I would expect Fuller to know when they line up where the mismatches not in the Rams' favor are, so I would expect him to be ready when Kendrick gets beat so quickly. Rams have a lot of decisions to make at safety this offseason. Fuller is likely gone. I don't think Yeast is good enough for the pairing, and JJ worries me in terms of counting on him for a season even if they can lock him up on the cheap.

 

[Kupped]

Dan, I appreciate the details so much.

Derion sure looked bad, but I'm still not dumping him for anyone else on the roster. He gives all-out effort and throws his body into the run game. Physical and high-effort.
I'd absolutely be hoping to find an upgrade in the offseason, but I don't see one on this roster. Not yet. Tomlinson may have some potential.. and Durant has speed, ball skills and agility.. but I don't see much "compete" in him.

 

[snackdaddy]

OK, since you are still fairly new to the forum, you are probably unaware of Forum Rule #7.

Rule #7
The use of two words, in the same sentence, that would require most Forum posters to reach for the dictionary is Strictly Forbidden. Most of our posters are not that bright, and we prefer Not to remind them of this fact.

Another two words that do not belong in the same sentence are cute and little.

 

[JimY53]

it looks like to me is that Fuller had a chance to make a play there but was late.

Very possible.

 

[JimY53]

Dan, I appreciate the details so much.

Derion sure looked bad, but I'm still not dumping him for anyone else on the roster. He gives all-out effort and throws his body into the run game. Physical and high-effort.
I'd absolutely be hoping to find an upgrade in the offseason, but I don't see one on this roster. Not yet. Tomlinson may have some potential.. and Durant has speed, ball skills and agility.. but I don't see much "compete" in him.

I think Kendrick needs to be replaced. He's not an NFL-level starter on a good team, IMO. Agree he's physical and high-effort but he also doesn't "get it". Have seen players like him before. He's a dog on his own hunt. Does not mean he's the worst in the NFL but you can't win with guys who get flagged so often and get picked on. Right now, he's a pigeon. Even when he makes a play it's because he's getting picked on.

They don't try Spoon much anymore...there are few returns on that investment of a throw. I like Durant more that most people here, it seems. THT has dog in him ... from what little I have seen and he at least has some speed to make it work. But until I see what he can do in NFL regular season I am always sus of a player.

Rams have picks next year and hopefully they trade down (I am a trade down person as long as you can get equal value---two guys are better than one ... in theory) Also best player available---to a degree, not absolute.

But IMO, Rams should target edge, QB of future, another IOL, CB, tackle ---- not in any order

 

[rdlkgliders]

Did Fuller go solo?
Was he supposed to cap the route and help Kendrick? Without TRIX call I think yes.

Feels like the poacher forgot to look for the stash exchange

 

[Merlin]

Durant has the cover skills and ball awareness for outside the hash. This defense doesn't get enough picks for my taste. Ideal defense is pressure up front + ballhawks on the back end. Durant has those ballhawk skills he just has to get the tackling side down or he'll never be the guy outside the hash because teams like SF will eat him up. Deebo would straight punk him.

Tomlinson is tougher physically I think. But it's weird to see him not translating because he had good film vs top draws at TCU in big games, and it's not like we're loaded in the secondary. So I just can't explain him not looking ready. He either has an attitude or has struggled to learn the pro game and scheme, or something idk.

And for this offseason the problem with both those dudes is that the Rams can't plan for them to be the guys. They haven't shown enough. Rams will need to add one really good corner to the mix. Though I suppose from a draft perspective they're not completely void back there. Feels like we're gonna see a corner & safety in some combo in FA and draft.

 

[rdlkgliders]

This looks like 2-man (Fangio Cover-5)

Once McLaurin gets to the 35 behind the beaten DK, Fuller needs to provide support "IMO" with no threats imminent. Lake passes off his assignment to JJ. Lake is beaten anyway and heads to MOF to cover the vacated space left from Fuller

 

[Allen2McVay]

I think Kendrick needs to be replaced. He's not an NFL-level starter on a good team, IMO. Agree he's physical and high-effort but he also doesn't "get it". Have seen players like him before. He's a dog on his own hunt. Does not mean he's the worst in the NFL but you can't win with guys who get flagged so often and get picked on. Right now, he's a pigeon. Even when he makes a play it's because he's getting picked on.

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This is Exactly how I feel about Derion Kendrick; and I want to take this moment to acknowledge Dan's post.

In the future, I intend to take these Exact words, and use them as my own; and will not acknowledge Dan.

If some trouble-maker suggests that these were originally Dan's words, I will reply ... "Dan? ... Dan Who?"

I am not using blue font, as I usually do, because I am Truly Not Kidding.

 

[ReekofRams]

This is Exactly how I feel about Derion Kendrick; and I want to take this moment to acknowledge Dan's post.

In the future, I intend to take these Exact words, and use them as my own; and will not acknowledge Dan.

If some trouble-maker suggests that these were originally Dan's words, I will reply ... "Dan? ... Dan Who?"

I am not using blue font, as I usually do, because I am Truly Not Kidding.

Who is @Allen2McVay?

 

[JimY53]

here are vids of the plays to go with the stills, forgot to post last nite---


View: https://x.com/53_jim70721/status/1737072506949820611?s=20






View: https://x.com/53_jim70721/status/1737071816722505918?s=20

 

[JimY53]

A couple of points on Kendrick---yes, I want an upgrade as soon as one is available. My issues with him are with the duality of being a defender with attitude and one whose attitude becomes a detriment to the team by avoidable penalties. I am not saying he's Richie Incognito but his stuff comes at the worst times at he's just one of those guys who has to rely on some intimidation or talking to make up for some lack on skills --- in his case long speed.

Now: To the thing on speed. Yes, he's slow. He had a bad time at his pro day. But for any player there are a range of times...and that may have been a bad day, the slowest he's ever run. If it were kind of a mid-point, like he's a 4.75 to 4.85 on any given day...then that is one thing.

I think thee is evidence that he's a 4.7-4.8 so while he is SLOW his isn't as slow as that day, I think it is possible that was the worst he could do. If he ran it every day for the next 10 days my guess is he'd be anywhere from 4.7 to 4.75 to 4.79.

If the 4.79 was his "time" that would been over a period of time every time he ran it he'd be 4.75, 4.79, 4.84 ... some worse, some better -- a range.

So, i think he's no as slow as the 4.79 but a tick better, but even with that tick better he's still lacking speed and always will.