Dare I Say.. Sign Darnold?

[Merlin]

Boy I wish I had Darnold level issues. So I might not make 200 Million but I may get 100 Million to get booed for the rookie replacement. ~ @Loyal Real World Issues

Are you saying @Loyal isn't your front runner for RoD's 2025 Darnold Award?

 

[RamWoodie]

Sounds to me like the Vike coach O'Cconnell wants to keep him...and I think the Rams should stand pat. Darnold is not good under pressure.

 

[Neil039]

Sounds to me like the Vike coach O'Cconnell wants to keep him...and I think the Rams should stand pat. Darnold is not good under pressure.

I was watching ESPN ( not by choice) when the discussion came up about Darnold. One of the guys credited Glenn from the Lions on the Blue Print to disrupt Darnold. He said Shula just mastered it with his front 4.

The Vikes need OL help whether it's Darnold or McCarthy.

 

[dieterbrock]

Gotta disagree here. If Daniel Jones got 40 mil, wouldn't surprise me if Darnold got similar when the rate of pay has gone up for QBs.

Daniel Jones re-signed for 40 mill with the Giants, he wasnt paid that on the open market, thats apples and oranges. I already said that the most money he would get would be from Minnesota, if they want to re-sign him.

 

[dieterbrock]

I was watching ESPN ( not by choice) when the discussion came up about Darnold. One of the guys credited Glenn from the Lions on the Blue Print to disrupt Darnold. He said Shula just mastered it with his front 4.

The Vikes need OL help whether it's Darnold or McCarthy.

Problem with that theory is that Darnold caused a lot of those sacks by not getting rid of the ball. His indecisiveness had more to do with it than the pressure.

 

[gogoat1]

Let this thread die.
We are not signing Darnold the Choker.
Whatever "It" is, he does not have it.

 

[Merlin]

This is one of those threads that every time I see it I cringe for the OP. Then I proceed to talk some shit and bump it.

 

[dieterbrock]

Let this thread die.
We are not signing Darnold the Choker.
Whatever "It" is, he does not have it.

Doesnt hurt to actually read what people are talking about in the thread. The discussion is about where he ends up and for how much $$. Nobody is even considering him for the Rams

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Daniel Jones re-signed for 40 mill with the Giants, he wasnt paid that on the open market, thats apples and oranges. I already said that the most money he would get would be from Minnesota, if they want to re-sign him.

Nah he'll get that from free agency as well. I'm pretty confident in that. Not that I agree with him getting that type of contract but that's just the QB market. Including Daniel Jones in the conversation is not apples and oranges when I'm talking about QB salary in general. If that was the going rate in 23 for a sorry ass QB like Daniels, why are you so sure Darnold can't get the same/more (yes I know you said he'd get 40 if he re-ups with Minny) after a year where he set career highs? Whether a player hits open free agency or not isn't going to effect the impact it has on the amount the player's agents push for on these contracts. All these QB salaries just keep climbing by a ridiculous amount too. All it takes is one interested team is all I'm saying and I feel like someone is going to take that crazy chance. Add in that the FA and the draft isn't that strong in QBs, and that's where Darnold's agent takes advantage.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Let this thread die.
We are not signing Darnold the Choker.
Whatever "It" is, he does not have it.

I just posted a long response too

 

[dieterbrock]

Nah he'll get that from free agency as well. I'm pretty confident in that. Not that I agree with him getting that type of contract but that's just the QB market. Including Daniel Jones in the conversation is not apples and oranges when I'm talking about QB salary in general. If that was the going rate in 23 for a sorry ass QB like Daniels, why are you so sure Darnold can't get the same/more (yes I know you said he'd get 40 if he re-ups with Minny) after a year where he set career highs? Whether a player hits open free agency or not isn't going to effect the impact it has on the amount the player's agents push for on these contracts. All these QB salaries just keep climbing by a ridiculous amount too. All it takes is one interested team is all I'm saying and I feel like someone is going to take that crazy chance. Add in that the FA and the draft isn't that strong in QBs, and that's where Darnold agent takes advantage.

It's entirely apples to oranges using Daniel Jones as an example, not sure how you dont get that? He wasnt a free agent, was signed prior to free agency.
I think the comparable market now would be Gardner Minshew's 2 year 25 mill deal

 

[El Chapo Jr]

It's entirely apples to oranges using Daniel Jones as an example, not sure how you dont get that? He wasnt a free agent, was signed prior to free agency.
I think the comparable market now would be Gardner Minshew's 2 year 25 mill deal

I guess we'll agree to disagree. Comparing going rates for QBs definitely not apples and oranges but yet you throw a random QB out there like Minshew to give a comparable market rate? Too funny. I'll stick to my guess being he'll get at minimum 40 mil from some desperate team. Always teams looking for QBs. Why not go with one that helped lead his team to 14 wins? That's the pitch I'd use on a desperate sucker if I was his agent

 

[PhillyRam]

I guess we'll agree to disagree. Comparing going rates for QBs definitely not apples and oranges but yet you throw a random QB out there like Minshew to give a comparable market rate? Too funny. I'll stick to my guess being he'll get at minimum 40 mil from some desperate team. Always teams looking for QBs. Why not go with one that helped lead his team to 14 wins? That's the pitch I'd use on a desperate sucker if I was his agent

Probably more like Mayfield. I think he got about $30M a year. That would seem to be more of a fair market deal. Afterall, he did win 14 games.

 

[dieterbrock]

I guess we'll agree to disagree. Comparing going rates for QBs definitely not apples and oranges but yet you throw a random QB out there like Minshew to give a comparable market rate? Too funny. I'll stick to my guess being he'll get at minimum 40 mil from some desperate team. Always teams looking for QBs. Why not go with one that helped lead his team to 14 wins? That's the pitch I'd use on a desperate sucker if I was his agent

You really are thick headed. Comparing a contract extension or new contract for a team's current player to a UFA deal is really dumb.
Minshew is a comp, do you know what a comp is? A comparable. Sorry you dont like what word means, but that's what he is, again IF he doesnt stay in Minnesota. Minshew became a UFA after a decent 1 year stop in Indy, where he earned a pro bowl nod. Darnold also a UFA after a great year, with a sour ending. Are they equal? NO, but the situation is comparable
Career wise
Minshew- Comp 63.3% TD % 3.9 vs INT 2% QB Rate 88.5 YDS per game 202.5
Darnold-Comp 61.2% TD % 4.2 vs INT 2.9% QB Rate 83.9 YDS per game 197.5
Sam had a career year, so the gamble is will he continue with that play on a new team or will he regress and play mediocre/bad like he did on his other 3 teams?
A team paying him 40+ mill will be starting him day 1
And he'd have to be in high demand
Cant see it.
If he's worth 2x Minshew, 20-25 mill per, I could see some teams getting involved as a potential bridge QB

 

[dieterbrock]

Probably more like Mayfield. I think he got about $30M a year. That would seem to be more of a fair market deal. Afterall, he did win 14 games.

Baker also won a playoff game for Tampa (a won playoff game for Cleveland), and played good in the game they lost. Well deserved 2nd contract with the Bucs.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Probably more like Mayfield. I think he got about $30M a year. That would seem to be more of a fair market deal. Afterall, he did win 14 games.

I think that's what he should get in the ballpark of but unfortunately still think some sucker is going to pay more. QB options are slim this off-season.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

You really are thick headed. Comparing a contract extension or new contract for a team's current player to a UFA deal is really dumb.
Minshew is a comp, do you know what a comp is? A comparable. Sorry you dont like what word means, but that's what he is, again IF he doesnt stay in Minnesota. Minshew became a UFA after a decent 1 year stop in Indy, where he earned a pro bowl nod. Darnold also a UFA after a great year, with a sour ending. Are they equal? NO, but the situation is comparable
Career wise
Minshew- Comp 63.3% TD % 3.9 vs INT 2% QB Rate 88.5 YDS per game 202.5
Darnold-Comp 61.2% TD % 4.2 vs INT 2.9% QB Rate 83.9 YDS per game 197.5
Sam had a career year, so the gamble is will he continue with that play on a new team or will he regress and play mediocre/bad like he did on his other 3 teams?
A team paying him 40+ mill will be starting him day 1
And he'd have to be in high demand
Cant see it.
If he's worth 2x Minshew, 20-25 mill per, I could see some teams getting involved as a potential bridge QB

Be careful calling me thick headed after I just back from the boobie and booty threads. Got board these damn windows up now hahaha..... So talking about the market for QB in general is dumb? Guess all teams and NFL agents are dumb then Some dumb ass team is gonna gamble on 14 win Darnold to continue to blossom. That's essentially what I'm saying over and over. Easier to take a chance on a highly drafted QB that some team thinks it finally clicked for vs a Minshew who was never highly touted coming outta college.

 

[RamWoodie]

I was watching ESPN ( not by choice) when the discussion came up about Darnold. One of the guys credited Glenn from the Lions on the Blue Print to disrupt Darnold. He said Shula just mastered it with his front 4.

The Vikes need OL help whether it's Darnold or McCarthy.

No doubt. I said that in the game thread. However, Sam still appears panicked when the rush gets around him.

 

[DzRams]

Problem with that theory is that Darnold caused a lot of those sacks by not getting rid of the ball. His indecisiveness had more to do with it than the pressure.

Yes, Darnold caused a lot of the sacks, but not all. The Vikings OL committee crew podcast put half on Darnold and the other half on the OL.

It's both. Darnold and the OL.

 

[fearsomefour]

That’s why you draft 1. You get them for 4 years of development. Hard to sign a guy for 1 year and invest in their development when they may be gone the next season.

True.
You can certainly determine if you want to work with them going forward however.
Maybe that is the decision they have made with Bennett?
Its pretty hard to find a QB beyond the high first round, but, it does happen of course.
Examples not needed.