Cris Carter says we need to cut Todd Gurley

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yrba1

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I'd rather listen to Skip & Shannon than these two clowns.

lol they're genuinely entertaining to listen to when you aren't taking them seriously. Cris Carter deserves to have a kitchen knife shoved down his urethra for making an outlandish suggestion.
 

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Rams if they cut him after 2020 season would eat 8.4 million in cap space. After 2021 it's 4.2 million. So you're looking at him being a Ram for another 2 years after this.

Why you don't sign running backs no matter what. Their shelf life is non existent. And when they go, they go. Maybe the Rams org will be looked upon nicely by other vets seeing how they took care of their own.

IMO he will be released after this year.

SMH, dumb NFL.com link.

Try this one from E$PN:

View: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=27731659

I couldn't get it to work..........

....my point being, he don't look too bad to me. Did it again, scored 2 TD's, if we'd won he'd prolly get a game ball, especially if our D didn't get us so far behind that we had to abandon the run.
NO WAY do you CUT TODD GURLEY. Dumbest idea evar.


Without correcting your grammar or spelling I think you are being a homer. He doesn't look goo at all. And if he looks like this the rest of the year letting him go is the smart move.
 

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Cris Carter failed 3 NFL drug tests for cocaine abuse

I sense a 4th coming up

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5 carries.
That's all he got.
Making a judgement based on 5 carries is ridiculous.

Gurley scored 2 Td's, 54 receiving yards, and blocked all day.
No, he didn't go off and get 125 rushing yards, but was he given chance?

To cut him is ike a politician arguing we need to resolve something or other whilst not put a resolution in place.

Kupp, Woods, and Cook are pulling in yards this season.
McVay is pass happy.
More to this than just Gurley.

Play Gurley is what I say.
 

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Yeah, the team isn’t cutting Gurley. There isn’t any good reason to do so.

That being said, there’s definitely something up with the dude. I just saw his press conference today and he is NOT in good spirits. Win or lose, I don’t get the attitude? Sure a lot of guys have the whole Marshawn Lynch approach to press conferences but when did Gurley develop that attitude?


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Chris Carter once said Goff can't play because he wasn't on the field. This was less than a month into his rookie season. His opinions are worthless.

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I haven’t seen anything on the field to suggest Todd is playing hurt or not capable as before. He clearly wants the ball more... which implies he’s healthy.

He hasn’t had the same number of touches and the running lanes have been fewer... so let’s cut him! :unsure:
 

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Oh and his contract... as said elsewhere, about $25MM owed 2020...

Worse case, the Rams got a lot of dollars out of the way before Goff’s deal... which - oh by the way - is why they did it.
 

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The media just waiting on the rams to totally collapse. They just cant stand this team, thought that would change after making the bowl but I guess not.
Do they watch the games ?
The o line has played horrible, maybe worse than gurleys second year.
 

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He hates losing... and I love that about Gurley. I'd be pissed AF too.

As for the media talking puppets. They make those guys say the most moronic things they can come up with to get clicks and ratings. Carter should have more pride in himself than to read shit like that off of the prompter. He's a fucking sellout. Stupidity like that is the reason shows like that are unwatchable for me.
 

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Gurley is a big part of the Rams offense THIS year PERIOD. They will evaluate ALL players in the OFF season including Gurley. Next topic.
 

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IMO he will be released after this year.

Without correcting your grammar or spelling I think you are being a homer. He doesn't look goo at all. And if he looks like this the rest of the year letting him go is the smart move.
lol I don't know what got into me. I think when my hackles get raised I start speaking like a fanatic. ;)
My main point is, it's hard to evaluate where TG is at the moment, because EVERY team is now playing us in a 6-1 defense, even the Buckaroos. They are stacking the line against our run game, specifically to stop TG's outside zone runs. Straight out of the horse's mouth, even Arians explicitly said as much. So, to counter this, everyone says, "why aren't we running Gurley up the middle???" So, I posted one of his "up the middle" TD runs; the other one I would've posted but the NFL.com link function isn't functional. In the one I posted, it was about a 13-14 yd TD run... trucking defenders at the goal line... looks pretty good to me. With all of 5 touches in this game, how is he supposed to look good? the one run he tried to bounce outside was a TFL. Against a 6-1 defense, anything run outside is going to have predictably bad results.
TG is understandably frustrated with facing 6-1 stacked defenses all day long. (So was SJax.) I think it's actually recognition by the teams we play that TG is our BEST WEAPON when they specifically game plan their D to stop him. Once this happens, "you take what the D is giving you", so you start passing more, and since we haven't had Higbee on the field, we can't really go over the middle, so we rely on what we have -- undersized WR's who go on intermediate sideline routes, leading to Goff holding the ball too long, leading to strip sacks. Pretty good game plan -- I'd run it if I were playing the Rams, wouldn't you?
I also think that, in order to counter this, McVay & Peete & Kromer are changing the run scheme, and usually this comes with a learning curve. On top of this, we have relative newbie Noteboom, rookie Allen, and Demby/Blythe as our interior OL. If we are indeed changing our run scheme, Snead may not have drafted / acquired the appropriate talent for what we are having to change into. On top of this, refs are now flagging the type of legal holding we were doing last season, Hav being one of the worst -- I saw him doing it on almost every play, & I even saw Whit doing it too. I don't know much about OL schemes, or football in general, but I'm starting to see a "perfect storm" of conditions that are affecting TG's play & attitude.
Regardless, the runs I saw up the middle were SUCCESSFUL, so I posted the evidence to support my mostly-objective opinion that there's nothing wrong with GURLEY -- there's a bunch of things wrong around him, but there's nothing that tells me that we need to CUT him... that's just an insane idea. I suspect that McVay will make the changes needed to counter what we're seeing other teams do to stop our BEST WEAPON (I have more faith that this will happen than when we had SJax), but until then we can probably expect more pain & frustration.
 

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......and, overreaction by talking heads & frustrated fans.
Ya ima keep goin'....
Didn't everyone say that Gurley was washed up in 2016?? a poster child for why you don't pick a running back in the first round?? Then, we hire McVay, and he brings in Kromer, and all of a sudden we have an All-Pro running back??
Yes he may not have that cutting ability he used to, maybe there's something wrong with his knee, but until we've played at least 8 games I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about Todd's future with the Rams. Actually, he may even be coached to stop cutting hard, stop jumping over defenders, etc. to extend his longevity, as well as managing his "pitch count" -- how do we know what's going on inside that RB room?
Regardless, there's no way I'd entertain the idea (from an entertainer) that we cut Todd. NO. WAY.
 

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lol I don't know what got into me. I think when my hackles get raised I start speaking like a fanatic. ;)
My main point is, it's hard to evaluate where TG is at the moment, because EVERY team is now playing us in a 6-1 defense, even the Buckaroos. They are stacking the line against our run game, specifically to stop TG's outside zone runs. Straight out of the horse's mouth, even Arians explicitly said as much. So, to counter this, everyone says, "why aren't we running Gurley up the middle???" So, I posted one of his "up the middle" TD runs; the other one I would've posted but the NFL.com link function isn't functional. In the one I posted, it was about a 13-14 yd TD run... trucking defenders at the goal line... looks pretty good to me. With all of 5 touches in this game, how is he supposed to look good? the one run he tried to bounce outside was a TFL. Against a 6-1 defense, anything run outside is going to have predictably bad results.
TG is understandably frustrated with facing 6-1 stacked defenses all day long. (So was SJax.) I think it's actually recognition by the teams we play that TG is our BEST WEAPON when they specifically game plan their D to stop him. Once this happens, "you take what the D is giving you", so you start passing more, and since we haven't had Higbee on the field, we can't really go over the middle, so we rely on what we have -- undersized WR's who go on intermediate sideline routes, leading to Goff holding the ball too long, leading to strip sacks. Pretty good game plan -- I'd run it if I were playing the Rams, wouldn't you?
I also think that, in order to counter this, McVay & Peete & Kromer are changing the run scheme, and usually this comes with a learning curve. On top of this, we have relative newbie Noteboom, rookie Allen, and Demby/Blythe as our interior OL. If we are indeed changing our run scheme, Snead may not have drafted / acquired the appropriate talent for what we are having to change into. On top of this, refs are now flagging the type of legal holding we were doing last season, Hav being one of the worst -- I saw him doing it on almost every play, & I even saw Whit doing it too. I don't know much about OL schemes, or football in general, but I'm starting to see a "perfect storm" of conditions that are affecting TG's play & attitude.
Regardless, the runs I saw up the middle were SUCCESSFUL, so I posted the evidence to support my mostly-objective opinion that there's nothing wrong with GURLEY -- there's a bunch of things wrong around him, but there's nothing that tells me that we need to CUT him... that's just an insane idea. I suspect that McVay will make the changes needed to counter what we're seeing other teams do to stop our BEST WEAPON (I have more faith that this will happen than when we had SJax), but until then we can probably expect more pain & frustration.

This started last year. This isn't new, this isn't a new scheme, this isn't a learning curve, not every time Gurley was sidelined did we see the other team playing a 6-1 defense.

So all of the blame you are trying to place just isn't right.

Something is wrong with Gurley.


Didn't everyone say that Gurley was washed up in 2016??

I never heard a single person say that. Let alone "everyone".
 

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Gurley is a big part of the Rams offense THIS year PERIOD. They will evaluate ALL players in the OFF season including Gurley. Next topic.

No he isn't. He hasn't been a "big part" of the offense dating back to late last year.

There is a lot of headinthesand about this.

Last year, towards the end of the year, speculation about his knee cropped up. We saw him last year in the post season.........we all saw it. He got fewer touches than CJ Anderson in the playoffs last year. 46 carries and 4 receptions for Anderson and 30 carries and 4 receptions for Gurley.

Every fan, every player, every coach at any position knows getting to the SB is not assured. Most of them never make it. So why would you give a backup more opportunities than you OPOY running back with all the chips on the table?

If he was healthy and fine you'd be reducing your chances to win by not giving him the ball. What HC would do that? What HC would take the one player that the offense revolves around and limit his role so dramatically that his backup got more touches?

In a really tight NFCC game versus the Saints we got our answer. Gurley has 5 touches for 13 yards. No effing way a healthy Gurley gets that few touches in a game that close. He got one touch in the second half and overtime. ONE!

This same conversation swirled around about Faulk when he was starting to decline. Every now and again he flashed on a run, or for an entire game. But it was pretty clear he wasn't the same as he had been. We are seeing the same thing with Gurley right now.

They can "manage" this by reducing his workload, but if it is as everyone suspects arthritis, it's going to flare up when it wants to and there isn't much that can be done to prevent that.

I hate seeing this as much as any of us. Everything we see and hear points to him not being able to play like he has before.
 

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No he isn't. He hasn't been a "big part" of the offense dating back to late last year.

There is a lot of headinthesand about this.

Last year, towards the end of the year, speculation about his knee cropped up. We saw him last year in the post season.........we all saw it. He got fewer touches than CJ Anderson in the playoffs last year. 46 carries and 4 receptions for Anderson and 30 carries and 4 receptions for Gurley.

Every fan, every player, every coach at any position knows getting to the SB is not assured. Most of them never make it. So why would you give a backup more opportunities than you OPOY running back with all the chips on the table?

If he was healthy and fine you'd be reducing your chances to win by not giving him the ball. What HC would do that? What HC would take the one player that the offense revolves around and limit his role so dramatically that his backup got more touches?

In a really tight NFCC game versus the Saints we got our answer. Gurley has 5 touches for 13 yards. No effing way a healthy Gurley gets that few touches in a game that close. He got one touch in the second half and overtime. ONE!

This same conversation swirled around about Faulk when he was starting to decline. Every now and again he flashed on a run, or for an entire game. But it was pretty clear he wasn't the same as he had been. We are seeing the same thing with Gurley right now.

They can "manage" this by reducing his workload, but if it is as everyone suspects arthritis, it's going to flare up when it wants to and there isn't much that can be done to prevent that.

I hate seeing this as much as any of us. Everything we see and hear points to him not being able to play like he has before.
I find it hard to believe a 25 year old is “done”. I understand your concerns but he looked completely fine vs the Panthers.

There might be something up with Gurley. But he wouldn’t play 76% of the snaps if he was broken. Pass blocking is much harder on the knees then running. Faulk had an actual injury that he couldn’t come back from and he was over 30. I don’t think that’s a good comparison.

If we were running our other backs 25 times and Gurley only got 3 carries, I would agree. But we ran 11 times dude. This was on McVay.
 

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I find it hard to believe a 25 year old is “done”. I understand your concerns but he looked completely fine vs the Panthers.

There might be something up with Gurley. But he wouldn’t play 76% of the snaps if he was broken. Pass blocking is much harder on the knees then running. Faulk had an actual injury that he couldn’t come back from and he was over 30. I don’t think that’s a good comparison.

If we were running our other backs 25 times and Gurley only got 3 carries, I would agree. But we ran 11 times dude. This was on McVay.

We have to look beyond just the Carolina game and this recent game. We can't be selective when looking at this situation.

I laid out the carry/reception stats from the playoffs last year.

This year he has 49 carries and 11 receptions in 4 games. 7 of those catches came last week, through 3 games he had 4 catches.

In his last 7 games he has 79 rushes and 15 receptions. In 5 of those games he's averaged between 2.5 and 3.9 YPA. Rounding the numbers here..........game by game it's 7.2, 2.5, 3.5, 6.9, 3.9, 3.0, 3.2..........that's not a healthy Gurley.

He's clearly not 100% and by all accounts it's arthritis. If what most people think is true and he does have an arthritic knee he's going to be up and down until it finally ends his career.

The reason he was in on a lot of snaps is because he is one of the best, maybe the best, at blitz pickup of any RB in the NFL.

I'm bummed because it's happening to a great guy, and it's going to impact the O until they figure a workaround.

We'll see how it plays out. This presents a huge challenge to Snead because guys like Gurley don't last until late in the 1st round where the Rams will be drafting.