Covid 19 thread

[Mojo Ram]

 

[Merlin]

Ok dudes I was kiddin around. Well kinda; except for the inmates who are sentenced to life part.

 

[GBRam15]

View: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

 

[Dieter the Brock]

View: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

I read this and it’s really good - but in most of California we are locking down and same as in Austin - is that mitigation or suppression? I know parts of rural Texas aren’t on lockdown so is that mitigation? I mean the hardest hit parts of the USA are obviously locking down. Won’t there be results cause of this? I mean locking down it has to making a difference

 

[kurtfaulk]

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get used to it, especially once the military start invading your cities.



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[GBRam15]

I read this and it’s really good - but in most of California we are locking down and same as in Austin - is that mitigation or suppression? I know parts of rural Texas aren’t on lockdown so is that mitigation? I mean the hardest hit parts of the USA are obviously locking down. Won’t there be results cause of this? I mean locking down it has to making a difference

Good question. I’d say the lock downs going on in California and Austin that you referred to are employing strategies and concepts more aligned with suppression than mitigation. However, he mentions that China took more drastic measures enforcing their lock down which helped bring down the number of infected individuals as fast as they did. Also, we are still not up to speed with regards to testing and tracing.

There is no question in my mind that locking down will make a difference, especially if people strictly adhere to the guidelines. That being said, it is still very possible that our healthcare system will be overwhelmed, even in parts of the country taking more drastic measures to reduce the spread of this virus.

 

[1maGoh]

“A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals.”
-Fyodor Dostoyevsky

Did he expand on that at all? I mean, is better better or of better worse? What's the judgement scale here? I can see an argument being made that a society that makes constructive use of it's prisoners for the rest of society is a better one. I don't think history would agree, but a pragmatic argument could be made.

 

[12intheBox]

Did he expand on that at all? I mean, is better better or of better worse? What's the judgement scale here? I can see an argument being made that a society that makes constructive use of it's prisoners for the rest of society is a better one. I don't think history would agree, but a pragmatic argument could be made.

A pragmatic argument could be made for slavery - at least pragmatic for slavers. But pragmatism isn’t everything, morals also matter.

We could harvest organs from prisoners, test pharmaceuticals on them, make them fight for our enjoyment gladiator style. Or we could recognize that even a prisoner is a life - and in many cases the difference between them and us is nothing more than dumb luck.

I would venture to say that everyone on this forum has done something in their lives that could have landed them in prison. Not rape, or intentional murder - but a bunch of people go to prison over accidents. They got reckless and someone died. Which of us hasn’t been reckless?

Dumb luck.

 

[1maGoh]

A pragmatic argument could be made for slavery - at least pragmatic for slavers. But pragmatism isn’t everything, morals also matter.

We could harvest organs from prisoners, test pharmaceuticals on them, make them fight for our enjoyment gladiator style. Or we could recognize that even a prisoner is a life - and in many cases the difference between them and us is nothing more than dumb luck.

I would venture to say that everyone on this forum has done something in their lives that could have landed them in prison. Not rape, or intentional murder - but a bunch of people go to prison over accidents. They got reckless and someone died. Which of us hasn’t been reckless?

Dumb luck.

That was kind of my point. The quote is simply unclear. I didn't actually mean to endorse being the kind of people that would do that. Again, history doesn't support the idea that those are better societies.

 

[12intheBox]

That was kind of my point. The quote is simply unclear. I didn't actually mean to endorse being the kind of people that would do that. Again, history doesn't support the idea that those are better societies.

Well, it’s Dostoyevsky. He isn’t going to ham hand it.

A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones.” - Nelson Mandela

Also doesn’t spell it out, equally vague - but if you have a decent sense of morality, the point is there.

 

[jrry32]

Did he expand on that at all? I mean, is better better or of better worse? What's the judgement scale here? I can see an argument being made that a society that makes constructive use of it's prisoners for the rest of society is a better one. I don't think history would agree, but a pragmatic argument could be made.

Torturing prisoners is not what makes a decent society. Putting aside the Constitution, what separates us from the worst criminals is our humanity and mercy. If we abandon that, we've lost it all. I'm not big on slippery slope arguments, but it's quite easy to see the slippery slope here.

 

[XXXIVwin]

I'm of the mind that they should infect all the prisoners and get it over with. I also think prisoners who are serving life sentences should be used for medical testing programs but in this day and age that type of thing would never be allowed and maybe that's a good thing.

HIGH-LAY-RIOUS!

HAHAHA!!

Not.

History is just too damn ugly regarding what happens when a group of people are considered “non-human...”

 

[Merlin]

HIGH-LAY-RIOUS!

HAHAHA!!

Not.

History is just too damn ugly regarding what happens when a group of people are considered “non-human...”

You sound rather put out. Perhaps even victimized by my careless words and grotesque manner?

I detect a strong scent of huffiness on your digital breath good sir.

 

[XXXIVwin]

You sound rather put out. Perhaps even victimized by my careless words and grotesque manner?

I detect a strong scent of huffiness on your digital breath good sir.

Yeah, these are tough times we’re livin’ in. I know that in your mind you were just jokin’ around, but saying “we should infect all the prisoners”... well, to use your words, that’s “careless and grotesque.”

Love your football posts, I agree with your takes more than almost any other poster. But given the multiple strong reactions u got to that post, I’m not alone in thinking that post crossed a line.

I get your impulse— when I heard that Harvey (rape monster) Weinstein just got infected, I can’t say I was disappointed that karma got to him. But I just know of too many folks imprisoned for minor crap, and joking that thousands of them should be infected with Covid-19 is in poor taste.

I know you’ve been following this pandemic as much as anyone, and tracking the mortality rate and whatnot. And I know you were just joking around. I guess we we can just agree to disagree about that one particular post.

Cheers.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled pandemic programming....

 

[Ramhusker]

Whew! This went down a Dostoyevskyian utopian Socialist worm hole in a hurry. Back to reality, how is everyone holding up? Still got toilet paper?

 

[ozarkram]

I believe tensions are running a bit high. And rightfully so. I have often been told by friends (the few I have) that I have a very dry and sometimes dark wit. Over the years in my posting life I have posted things that may have been very close to the edge or even over believing them humorous and that I was among friends that would. (get it) Forgetting that there is a big difference between actually sitting across from someone at a bar joking around and posting on the internet. This medium can make it very difficult at times to understand someones true meaning because we cant see their facial expressions or delivery. Or the follow up laugh and you know me I was just kidding. As a person who has made a few mistakes in his time and had his posts misunderstood or taken out of context before. I would ask and hope that with things the way they are around the country we could take a deep breath step back and remember everything posted isnt meant to be taken literally and we are all for the most part among friends.

 

[Vapor]

I am going back to the boobies thread....

 

[bluecoconuts]

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get used to it, especially once the military start invading your cities.



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Man, people are stupid. Cops are telling you to get the fuck out, that doesn't mean fuck around and act stupid, it means leave.

Just... Use your damn head people.alm:

 

[kurtfaulk]

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We're heading into a dangerous new world. Governments around the world are gonna force us to stay in our houses.

We have no idea what it's gonna be like once we get to the other side.

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[12intheBox]

The scene downtown was different today. The people who had been lighthearted last week were pretty damn serious about things today - even fewer people - more closings.

I'm starting to think about starting a vegetable garden out back in case shit breaks bad and my thumb is the farthest thing from green.