Could it be that Snead has a couple of surprising draft day trades up his sleeve?

[Rams43]

Thinking a little bit outside the box here, I know. But we ARE talking about Trader Les here, sooooo...

I’m still thinking that a Hav trade for pick or a comparable player at a Ram ‘need’ position is a possibility, like WOLB, ILB, CB, OC, or vertical WR? Rams have perhaps 4 depth players that could provide quality starts at RT if Hav departs.

Evans
Edwards
Brewer
Anchrum

And heaven knows Snead could put a late 3rd or a decent 4th for Hav to good use in this draft, right? Either would allow Snead to add a quality football player for the future. Not to mention the cap savings to be reinvested in a FA at a ‘need’ position.

Another possibility is trading Hekker for a pick or player. I mean, signing a Punter of the caliber of Bojorquez seems odd unless Snead is thinking of moving Hekker and his salary. Bojorquez ain’t no camp leg, that’s for sure, so one has to ask why the signing?

Hell, maybe Snead already has secret handshake contingency trades already in place And doesn’t want to tip his hand predraft? Would take a couple of draft ‘needs’ off their ‘to do’ list. That would be huge in this particular draft, don’t you think?

I know many, if not most posters will be horrified at the thought of trading either Hav or Hekker, much less both. But I’m putting this out there because I think each could be a timely chess-like move to improve overall team strength AND to perhaps stimulate some discussion while we’re waiting for the actual draft to take place.

So, anybody with me?

 

[BonifayRam]

Do fans here really think that Snead & Mcvay traded the team's present & future draft wealth & future major chunks of cap salary for a QB to run the ball behind a very good run blocking RT Havnestein? Did we not try that the last few seasons & how well did that work out for our offense?

You & I have been on this same thought for some time now. I know I been posting about it since before January. I think that after the conclusion of the first round Thursday night & depending on how it goes for teams looking for ready start RT's .......we should see some possible action take place there. Snead/Demoff is still badly in need of Cap relief & this team is in an outstanding position of depth @ RT's. Hav has the good value that can obtain a good second-day draft pick or picks for teams in serious need.

If Mcvay really wants to open up the field beside the 4 to 5 yd passing routes like in the last two seasons then he very well might desire to have a very good pass blocking OT starting @ RT.

Hav has been discussed for a long time...any fan who does not have his head stuck in the sand knows his Achilles Heel is smaller quick-pass rushers. The NFL has the book written on Hav & they do attack him in this area that has often caused much panic & even sacks on passing downs.

It's extremely UNpopular in here @ ROD for me to post this....but this passing offense would be better off if a fully healed Andrew Whitworth were starting @ LT & 4th yr OT Joseph Noteboom was starting @ RT. Have Bobby Evans who has been a good Swing OL'er back up as Whitworth/Noteboom as emergency back game day. Evans is far more OT than OG!

Do not move David Edwards @ LG. Then take your previous backup OT's who are thicker larger OL'ers like Chandler Brewer 6-6/320 plus & Tremayne Anchrum 6-2/314 & utilize their OT pass blocking skills @ RG in place of Corbett who will be our starting OC.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Do fans here really think that Snead & Mcvay traded the team's present & future draft wealth & future major chunks of cap salary for a QB to run the ball behind a very good run blocking RT Havnestein? Did we not try that the last few seasons & how well did that work out for our offense?

You & I have been on this same thought for some time now. I know I been posting about it since before January. I think that after the conclusion of the first round Thursday night & depending on how it goes for teams looking for ready start RT's .......we should see some possible action take place there. Snead/Demoff is still badly in need of Cap relief & this team is in an outstanding position of depth @ RT's. Hav has the good value that can obtain a good second-day draft pick or picks for teams in serious need.

If Mcvay really wants to open up the field beside the 4 to 5 yd passing routes like in the last two seasons then he very well might desire to have a very good pass blocking OT starting @ RT.

Hav has been discussed for a long time...any fan who does not have his head stuck in the sand knows his Achilles Heel is smaller quick-pass rushers. The NFL has the book written on Hav & they do attack him in this area that has often caused much panic & even sacks on passing downs.

It's extremely UNpopular in here @ ROD for me to post this....but this passing offense would be better off if a fully healed Andrew Whitworth were starting @ LT & 4th yr OT Joseph Noteboom was starting @ RT. Have Bobby Evans who has been a good Swing OL'er back up as Whitworth/Noteboom as emergency back game day. Evans is far more OT than OG!

Do not move David Edwards @ LG. Then take your previous backup OT's who are thicker larger OL'ers like Chandler Brewer 6-6/320 plus & Tremayne Anchrum 6-2/314 & utilize their OT pass blocking skills @ RG in place of Corbett who will be our starting OC.

Yes but McVay's offense is also predicated off of play action. Play action not as effective if you can't run so saying trade Hav and replace him with Noteboom doesn't help IMO. I think Hav is a proven, better option than Noteboom at RT so I don't agree. We'll see what the Rams think soon since their opinions mean more than any of ours lol

 

[BonifayRam]

Yes but McVay's offense is also predicated off of play action. Play action not as effective if you can't run so saying trade Hav and replace him with Noteboom doesn't help IMO. I think Hav is a proven, better option than Noteboom at RT so I don't agree. We'll see what the Rams think soon.

Are speaking of the previous past era McVay offense here?

So your position is McVay will remain married to what he was forced to run by big limitations of a QB for the last few seasons?

P.S. Has anyone seen our top reserve OT ever start @ any post other than LT & LG? Is there any evidence that Noteboom is incapable of being a well-balanced RT in a newly redesigned offense?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Are speaking of the previous Goff era Mcvay offense here?

So your position is McVay will remain married to what he was forced to run by limitations of his QB for the last four years?

Yes McVay will still run PA because we have a beast in Akers. With Akers being such a threat in the run game, it opens up the PA so much more with a QB that can read the field better than Goff ever could. Goff not reading the field was his biggest issue much more than McVay's play calling.

 

[BonifayRam]

Mentioning Akers.......It's my position that his ceiling being used out of the backfield as a pass receiver is a vast untouched resource.

On McVay offense remaining the same..........I truly believe that he will be less of the PA & much more varied & newly created design. I would not want to believe & restrain McVay to his well-used old worn-out previous ineffective offense of redundancy.

McVay is going to pass often & he will want his OL very solid in pass protection. He hired two new OL coaches. He will not plan to start a OL'er who has major flaws in pass protection skills & abilities with a 34 old Stafford @ helm who has an arm to do great & wonderful things in the passing game.

OL'er Blythe pass protection skills were slightly better than Hav's....Blythe has left the building.

 

[Tano]

Let's not make this into another Goff thread please. Goff had his issues but let's focus on Stafford's mobility and his ability to make big plays with his arm. I am also hoping that Stafford's ability to read the field is as good as a lot of you claim. I am not completely convinced yet and I want to see a few games with McVay before I am all in on Stafford.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Mentioning Akers.......It's my position that his ceiling being used out of the backfield as a pass receiver is a vast untouched resource.

On McVay offense remaining the same..........I truly believe that he will be less of the PA & much more varied & newly created design. I would not want to believe & restrain McVay to his well-used old worn-out previous ineffective offense of redundancy.

McVay is going to pass often & he will want his OL very solid in pass protection. He hired two new OL coaches. He will not plan to start a OL'er who has major flaws in pass protection skills & abilities with a 34 old Stafford @ helm who has an arm to do great & wonderful things in the passing game.

OL'er Blythe pass protection skills were slightly better than Hav's....Blythe has left the building.

Ok comparing Blythe to Hav is just terrible. Really? Hav is a legit o-lineman, Blythe not such much. Hav has trouble with speed rushers. Well damn, who doesn't. Can't expect every o-lineman to be good at everything lol. Sorry, it's just not smart IMO to trade a affordable, good starting offensive tackle all for the sake of we need to pass more. If we shore up the middle, putting help such as chip blocks on Hav's side could help facilitate that. Don't want our offense to turn in Martz 2.0. Balance is a good thing.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Let's not make this into another Goff thread please. Goff had his issues but let's focus on Stafford's mobility and his ability to make big plays with his arm. I am also hoping that Stafford's ability to read the field is as good as a lot of you claim. I am not completely convinced yet and I want to see a few games with McVay before I am all in on Stafford.

Well unfortunately Goff's name will be thrown in there because Stafford will be compared to him in this offense, fair or unfair. McVay himself has alluded to the fact that Stafford can read the field well. I just personally think Stafford will run McVay's offense better.

 

[Rams43]

I’ve seen no comments on the hypothetical Hekker trade.

Does that mean that everyone is onboard with such a trade?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I’ve seen no comments on the hypothetical Hekker trade.

Does that mean that everyone is onboard with such a trade?

I like Hekker and rather he stick around, but if there is somewhere to save money, such as punter, I'm all for it as punters don't make or break teams. Plus we just signed one who had a better year than Hekker did for much cheaper.

 

[BonifayRam]

Ok comparing Blythe to Hav is just terrible. Really? Hav is a legit o-lineman, Blythe not such much. Hav has trouble with speed rushers. Well damn, who doesn't. Can't expect every o-lineman to be good at everything lol. Sorry, it's just not smart IMO to trade a affordable, good starting offensive tackle all for the sake of we need to pass more. If we shore up the middle, putting help such as chip blocks on Hav's side could help facilitate that. Don't want our offense to turn in Martz 2.0. Balance is a good thing.

The suggestion of trade of Hav & the reason for such considerations is more than what you have described in your above post (for the sake of we need to pass more). That's far from the full reason that has been in discussions of thought in this forum for a long time & I am sure you are aware of that.

Could it be that Snead has a couple of surprising draft day trades up his sleeve?

Thinking a little bit outside the box here, I know. But we ARE talking about Trader Les here, sooooo... I’m still thinking that a Hav trade for pick or a comparable player at a Ram ‘need’ position is a possibility, like WOLB, ILB, CB, OC, or vertical WR? Rams have perhaps 4 depth players that...

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Where did you see that I was comparing the skills & abilities between Blythe & Hav? It was a short none detailed one-sentence comment.....on my belief that Blythe's pass protection skills were slightly better than Hav's.

I agree that a well balance (all five OL'ers) OL is a good thing .......there you & I are on the same page here. Glad you all in hopes that we can field a better more well-balanced Ol in 2021.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

The suggestion of trade of Hav & the reason for such considerations is more than what you have described in your above post (for the sake of we need to pass more). That's far from the full reason that has been in discussions of thought in this forum for a long time & I am sure you are aware of that.

Where did you see that I was comparing the skills & abilities between Blythe & Hav? It was a short none detailed one-sentence comment.....on my belief that Blythe's pass protection skills were slightly better than Hav's. Glad you all in hopes that we can field a better more well-balanced Ol in 2021.

I agree that a well balance (all five OL'ers) OL is a good thing .......there you & I are on the same page here.

Well I'm just saying, there's no comparison at all between Blythe and Hav to me as Blythe sucks compared to Hav in every aspect of being an offensive lineman. Hav on the open market would get picked up much more quickly than Blythe did. I will say if McVay does happen to pass more, he still needs to definitely run the ball as doing so will limit the effectiveness of Akers and play action. I just think we'll see more diversity within the plays themselves as Stafford will be able to progress thru reads faster and make better off script plays. Not sure the offense changes like crazy but may look it as a result.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Yes but McVay's offense is also predicated off of play action. Play action not as effective if you can't run so saying trade Hav and replace him with Noteboom doesn't help IMO. I think Hav is a proven, better option than Noteboom at RT so I don't agree. We'll see what the Rams think soon since their opinions mean more than any of ours lol

True enough that only McVay/O'Connell really knows what we might have behind Havenstein at RT if he's traded, but we do have bodies, several of them. Like Brockers, moving Hav creates millions of dollars in available CAP space for 2021 & 2022, so if the Rams identify a post draft free agent vet that fills a positional need, we'll have the capital to go get him. My final point would be that it's unlikely the Rams part with Havenstein unless we draft another OT to compete now at RT and later at LT for when Whitworth retires. I do believe the Rams can find a quality Havenstein replacement among the competing group of hopefuls in Edwards, Noteboom, Evans, Brewer, Anchrum and a newly drafted OT, and while Havenstein has been fairly solid, he too has his weaknesses, he's certainly not in the same class as irreplaceables like Donald, Ramsey or even Whitworth and perhaps Floyd, ... if McSnead feels we can benefit by his departure, then realizing this is an aspect of how the game is played in the modern NFL, i'm OK with it. jmo.

 

[Karate61]

Why is it always trade Hav?

How about keep Hav, and trade one or more of these:

Evans
Edwards
Brewer
Anchrum
Noteboom

 

[Rams43]

Why is it always trade Hav?

How about keep Hav, and trade one or more of these:

Evans
Edwards
Brewer
Anchrum
Noteboom

Could it be a combo of trade value and cap savings?

Next question.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Why is it always trade Hav?

How about keep Hav, and trade one or more of these:

Evans
Edwards
Brewer
Anchrum
Noteboom

If teams are interested in acquiring developmental players, they can raid Practice Squads, but when you want a proven starting veteran player from another team, you trade for him. Havenstein has higher value as a proven vet, he also provides much needed CAP relief, the others you have named have neither as yet.

 

[dang]

Why is it always trade Hav?

How about keep Hav, and trade one or more of these:

Evans
Edwards
Brewer
Anchrum
Noteboom

No to Edwards being traded.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

True enough that only McVay/O'Connell really knows what we might have behind Havenstein at RT if he's traded, but we do have bodies, several of them. Like Brockers, moving Hav creates millions of dollars in available CAP space for 2021 & 2022, so if the Rams identify a post draft free agent vet that fills a positional need, we'll have the capital to go get him. My final point would be that it's unlikely the Rams part with Havenstein unless we draft another OT to compete now at RT and later at LT for when Whitworth retires. I do believe the Rams can find a quality Havenstein replacement among the competing group of hopefuls in Edwards, Noteboom, Evans, Brewer, Anchrum and a newly drafted OT, and while Havenstein has been fairly solid, he too has his weaknesses, he's certainly not in the same class as irreplaceables like Donald, Ramsey or even Whitworth and perhaps Floyd, ... if McSnead feels we can benefit by his departure, then realizing this is an aspect of how the game is played in the modern NFL, i'm OK with it. jmo.

I guess I'm more so of the mindset that they would have traded him already if they truly wanted to give those behind him a chance. I think Hav is undervalued personallly since he's affordable and an above average starter at RT. However, wouldn't surprise me either, from a salary cap perspective, if the Rams did otherwise and moved on as I can't predict what they have in mind in terms of the future.

 

[dieterbrock]

I’ve seen no comments on the hypothetical Hekker trade.

Does that mean that everyone is onboard with such a trade?

I dont think you can get a ham sandwich for Hekker in a trade. Love the guy but his value i way overrated by the fanbase, particularly at the price tag of nearly 4 mill per season.
How valuable are punters? Well, the guy who led the league in avg per punt was a FA until last week....

As for trading Havenstein or any of the o-lineman, I cant see it. Bringing in a new o-line coach and needing to replace the C is one thing, has to have some sort of foundation to work with.