Chris Simms' Top 40 QB rankings

[Merlin]

It'll be interesting to see how Simms over-analyzes the guys at the top. I'll just refer him to three consecutive clutch finishes to hoist the Lombardi. I cannot recall the last time that has happened, or if it ever has.

As Steve Young told him on the post-game show that was a three game playoff stretch of Hall of Fame caliber performances.

 

[Faceplant]

I'm curious how you people would rank the 7 QBs left?

I think you nailed it, personally.

 

[Shuie3225]

It'll be interesting to see how Simms over-analyzes the guys at the top. I'll just refer him to three consecutive clutch finishes to hoist the Lombardi. I cannot recall the last time that has happened, or if it ever has.

As Steve Young told him on the post-game show that was a three game playoff stretch of Hall of Fame caliber performances.

Yea it's the old discussion of overall talent vs clutch gene. Rodgers has more natural talent than Stafford but he's not more clutch. So how does that shake out? Mahomes should be number 1. But I'm interested in Wilson, Burrow, and Herbert rankings because Simms LOVES Herbert.

 

[Shuie3225]

So pretty much the QB's who have won a Super Bowl, or are expected to win one are left.

Yea pretty much. Active QBs with SB wins: Mahomes, Rodgers, Stafford, Wilson. Allen, Burrow, and Herbert are the other 3. What sort of weight will the SB wins give the first four? I think Allen's talent is absurd. But all elite level QBs at this point in the rankings for sure. Glad to see Brady ranked at #8 and not rewarded necessarily for all his old production and Super Bowls.

 

[BrooklynRam]

@ Rams on Demand community

BUY or SELL this?
I’m selling.

Hard sell. No WAY Goff is Top 16.

 

[Merlin]

Ask yourself this... If you had a QB draft right now and you had the first pick who would you take as a new GM.

 

[CoachAllred]

Wentz is way too high

My exact thoughts. Maybe just switch Goff and Wentz's rank.
Goff too low IMHO

 

[Mojo Ram]

Ask yourself this... If you had a QB draft right now and you had the first pick who would you take as a new GM.

J. Allen

 

[MachS]

Ask yourself this... If you had a QB draft right now and you had the first pick who would you take as a new GM.

Mahomes for sure with Allen a close 2nd. But all the top guys that will be on this list are studs. There's a chance Burrow or Herbert end up being the best of them all. Who knows how it shakes out when their careers are done.

 

[majrleaged]

he’s better than mariota trubisky and tua at least

Tannahill, Cousins, Mayfield, Jones. Come on. Any of those been in the SB. Say what you will, but Goff is at least 15 and I am Sorry, but Dak in the Top ten. He is not better than Goff. Never has been, never will be. Simms is way off on this.

 

[FrantikRam]

I think Goff is around 25th.

It is straight up stupid to have Lance at 31 and the other three rookies who all looked hopeless that far ahead of him. Goff should be above those four, Trubisky, Jones (wtf??) and Winston.

I would rather have Mariota than Goff as a starter though, can't lie about that.

 

[Merlin]

Mahomes for sure with Allen a close 2nd. But all the top guys that will be on this list are studs. There's a chance Burrow or Herbert end up being the best of them all. Who knows how it shakes out when their careers are done.

Yeah it's tough at the top. To answer my own question age would matter so I'd go with one of the younger QBs, but even that's a tough call. Allen can flat take over a game so he's special. But either of Burrow or Herbert would make sense.

For a team with a winning group around the QB and in order to win right now it's tough to do better than Stafford. Pretty amazing we're sitting here right now tbh.

 

[thirteen28]

Tannahill, Cousins, Mayfield, Jones. Come on. Any of those been in the SB. Say what you will, but Goff is at least 15 and I am Sorry, but Dak in the Top ten. He is not better than Goff. Never has been, never will be. Simms is way off on this.

None of the other guys you mentioned has ever made it past the divisional round of the playoffs. Dak has had some solid teams around him and hasn't been able to advance the Cowboys. Cousins has one playoff win period and a number of regular season chokes with playoffs on the line. Mayfield actually had a lot of talent around him a couple of years ago and couldn't get it done, and OBJ's time here pretty much proved where the problem was. Tannahill isn't bad but shit the bed in his lone playoff game last year. Jones ... I think it's too early to get a full evaluation.

That being said, if we didn't have Stafford, I'd still take Jared over any of those other guys you mentioned. He may not be able to do what Matt did, but on the other hand, he at least got us to a Super Bowl and had an epic performance in the NFCC against the Saints, something that none of the others has ever even sniffed.

 

[FrantikRam]

Yeah it's tough at the top. To answer my own question age would matter so I'd go with one of the younger QBs, but even that's a tough call. Allen can flat take over a game so he's special. But either of Burrow or Herbert would make sense.

For a team with a winning group around the QB and in order to win right now it's tough to do better than Stafford. Pretty amazing we're sitting here right now tbh.

You and I were on this from fucking day one. There were a few others too but damn were we right and yes it feels amazing that we have this roster, QB and coach.

 

[Merlin]

I have to admit when I first heard about the trade I wasn't sure about Stafford. Had to actually watch his games then I was all in. So it took me a couple days, though I was glad they moved on from Goff.

What's funny is I was making excuses for Goff that season after the Super Bowl. But then that next season I couldn't lie to myself any more.

Ten years from now and after Stafford wins another championship or maybe more, that trade is going to go down as the greatest in franchise history and one of the best trades ever.

 

[FrantikRam]

None of the other guys you mentioned has ever made it past the divisional round of the playoffs. Dak has had some solid teams around him and hasn't been able to advance the Cowboys. Cousins has one playoff win period and a number of regular season chokes with playoffs on the line. Mayfield actually had a lot of talent around him a couple of years ago and couldn't get it done, and OBJ's time here pretty much proved where the problem was. Tannahill isn't bad but shit the bed in his lone playoff game last year. Jones ... I think it's too early to get a full evaluation.

That being said, if we didn't have Stafford, I'd still take Jared over any of those other guys you mentioned. He may not be able to do what Matt did, but on the other hand, he at least got us to a Super Bowl and had an epic performance in the NFCC against the Saints, something that none of the others has ever even sniffed.

Problem is people said this about Stafford last year too. So let's learn from that mistake. I'm not a huge Dak fan but it's possible McVay wins a Super Bowl with him.

 

[thirteen28]

Problem is people said this about Stafford last year too. So let's learn from that mistake. I'm not a huge Dak fan but it's possible McVay wins a Super Bowl with him.

But Stafford had shit around him for years. Awful teams.

You can't say that about Dak, you can't say that about Cousins, you can't say that about Mayfield, etc. etc. Dak has actually had some solid teams around him. Mayfield, as I mentioned, had OBJ (as well as Jarvis Landry), and with us OBJ all but proved that between him and Baker that the latter was the problem. Cousins on at least one occasion had at least a playoff worthy team around him and choked in a regular season finale that kept his team out - and that was WITH McVay as his OC.

Thus, comparing Stafford's situation to the others is a rotten apples to fresh oranges comparison. Stafford was a good QB on a bad team. Those other guys? Stafford would have done better than any of them in the same situation.

 

[MachS]

Problem is people said this about Stafford last year too. So let's learn from that mistake. I'm not a huge Dak fan but it's possible McVay wins a Super Bowl with him.

Yup I agree. This list is his subjective opinion of talent in a vacuum. Some agree with certain evaluations and others don't. But we cannot take for granted McVay, his system, play calling, or ability to teach. I bet McVay would have Dak looking like a top of the league QB.

This was always my argument with Goff outside of a few unbelievable games. We relied so heavily on play action and 'fooling' the defense to gain an advantage. They never knew run or pass. Once they DID know a pass was coming, Goff's numbers plummeted horribly. They could dial up the rush, disguise coverage, and Goff's accuracy went to shit and turnovers went up. IMO you cant stop elite QBs even when you know the pass is coming. Thats what we have now with Stafford. But McVay is such a good coach he maximized Goff's talent. When he had a clean pocket coming off a play action the dude was lights out and deadly. But when things got chaotic he struggled. Good coaches will maximize what their best players do well, and try their best not to expose their weaknesses.

 

[dieterbrock]

Bottom line,
Stafford Rules



... And Goff is more of a #20-25 guy off last season with a chance to move up this year
But he'll NEVER be Stafford

 

[dieterbrock]

You can't say that about Dak, you can't say that about Cousins, you can't say that about Mayfield, etc. etc. Dak has actually had some solid teams around him

Absolutely
Dallas has had one of the top O-lines for years. Detroit never did
Dallas has had the leading rusher in the same backfield with Dak 3 times. Detroit never even close to a top RB