Chris Long retires, Hawaiian pizza sucks

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fearsomefour

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SJax ended his career in New England but he doesn't get the hate that CL does. Let children be children IMO.
It's not "hate"....people use that as a way to say there can be no conversation or differing opinion.
I'm not a "hater" of Long.
Loved him on the Rams.
After being released he worked hard and over came his injuries and went on to contribute to teams winning rings. Awesome for him and well done.
Just my perspective/opinion of his off field stuff.
Doesn't mean I'm correct in my assertions about him.
Just having conversation.
 

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Forgot about that.
Did he actually play I games for NE or did he get injured?
On paper it was a perfect match.

As I recall, he played in one playoff game. He looked his age (as he was over thirty at the time). I think it was when the Eagles won, so he never got the ring.
 

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Ummmm, he gave up a years NFL salary. Think what you want,but that is by definition real. Nothing fake about it.
I liked the all 1st round pick line the Rams had of Quinn, AD, Bockers and Long. Sure would have like to see him in LA on a wining team.
Agreed and agreed.
 

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As I recall, he played in one playoff game. He looked his age (as he was over thirty at the time). I think it was when the Eagles won, so he never got the ring.
Yeah, that was a bummer for him.
Would have liked to see him get one.
 

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It's not "hate"....people use that as a way to say there can be no conversation or differing opinion.
I'm not a "hater" of Long.
Loved him on the Rams.
After being released he worked hard and over came his injuries and went on to contribute to teams winning rings. Awesome for him and well done.
Just my perspective/opinion of his off field stuff.
Doesn't mean I'm correct in my assertions about him.
Just having conversation.
Shitting on a guy who's done what he's done for his community and communities across the world because it's reported by the media seems an interesting way to take this but to each their own. And yeah I understand people use the term hate in ways it's not meant to be used.
 

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Bruce going to the Whiners hurt my soul.

Even though I was six years old in the autumn of 1972, Deacon to the Chargers was worse. Although the team from up North are bitter rivals, Deacon should have always been in Horns...Still remember that day in January of 1972 when my Uncle told me that the Rams traded Deacon Jones!

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CHARGERS TRADE FOR DEACON JONES


LOS ANGELES, Jan. 29 (UPI)—The Los Angeles Rams announced tonight they had traded their premier defensive end, David (Deacon) Jones, and two other players to the San Diego Chargers for a linebacker, Jeff Staggs, and three draft Choices.

Jones, 33 years old, was shipped to the Chargers with a defensive tackle, Greg Wojcik, and running back, Lee White. In addition to Staggs, a five‐year pro from San Diego State, the Rains received a No. 2 choice in Tue.sday's college draft and second and third selections next year.

“Obviously, we like the trade,” the Ram coach, Tommy Prothro, said. “But I hated to part with what we did. What can you. say about David Jones? He is a legend in his own time.

“In Jeff Staggs, we feel we have a fine linebacker. If we are as fortunate in drafting as last year, this trade not only helps us immediately but assures us of outstanding help, in the future.”

An 11‐year member of the Rams, Jones was an all‐pro seven times.

In 1968, he was the Rams most valuable player. He was picked as the Rams’ outstanding defensive lineman from 1962 through 1966.

Jones's departure leaves only one member of the Rams’ famous Fearsome Foursome, Merlin Olsen.

Jones, a 6‐foot‐5‐inch 270pounder, was drafted in the 14th round by Los Angeles in 1961. He played most of the 1971 season with a painful injury of his left arch, missing three games. Before being sidelined, Jones had played in 143 straight games for the Rams.

https://www.nytimes.com/1972/01/30/...on-jones-rams-acquire-staggs-three-draft.html
 

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Yeah, could be.
Maybe his intentions are pure.

If you watch the video he explains what moved him to do it. Here is the short version.

He went to climb Kilimanjaro with veterans, one that was missing the bottom half of his legs, and when he saw people drinking out of rivers and dehydrated kids he decided that one of his missions would be drilling and building wells so people could have clean water to drink and bathe in.

Waterboys goal is to get clean water to one million people, to date the number is a bit over 200,000 from over 50 wells that have been built. Also in the video there are other people that say straight out they got involved because of the attention he drew to the work being done.

This guy is a champion of humans of all races and religions. Disliking him for his politics is the exact opposite of how he lives his life. The irony there is delightful!

Yeah, that was a bummer for him.
Would have liked to see him get one.

They lost to that deadly Denver defense run by our current DC I think.
 

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Even though I was six years old in the autumn of 1972, Deacon to the Chargers was worse. Although the team from up North are bitter rivals, Deacon should have always been in Horns...Still remember that day in January of 1972 when my Uncle told me that the Rams traded Deacon Jones!

1*HsX48lgd0bzK9zosKcqIog.gif


CHARGERS TRADE FOR DEACON JONES


LOS ANGELES, Jan. 29 (UPI)—The Los Angeles Rams announced tonight they had traded their premier defensive end, David (Deacon) Jones, and two other players to the San Diego Chargers for a linebacker, Jeff Staggs, and three draft Choices.

Jones, 33 years old, was shipped to the Chargers with a defensive tackle, Greg Wojcik, and running back, Lee White. In addition to Staggs, a five‐year pro from San Diego State, the Rains received a No. 2 choice in Tue.sday's college draft and second and third selections next year.

“Obviously, we like the trade,” the Ram coach, Tommy Prothro, said. “But I hated to part with what we did. What can you. say about David Jones? He is a legend in his own time.

“In Jeff Staggs, we feel we have a fine linebacker. If we are as fortunate in drafting as last year, this trade not only helps us immediately but assures us of outstanding help, in the future.”

An 11‐year member of the Rams, Jones was an all‐pro seven times.

In 1968, he was the Rams most valuable player. He was picked as the Rams’ outstanding defensive lineman from 1962 through 1966.

Jones's departure leaves only one member of the Rams’ famous Fearsome Foursome, Merlin Olsen.

Jones, a 6‐foot‐5‐inch 270pounder, was drafted in the 14th round by Los Angeles in 1961. He played most of the 1971 season with a painful injury of his left arch, missing three games. Before being sidelined, Jones had played in 143 straight games for the Rams.

https://www.nytimes.com/1972/01/30/...on-jones-rams-acquire-staggs-three-draft.html
Yes.
I wasn't around then....or didn't know what was going on outside of my crib anyway.....but, I agree, some guys should not be moved.
Of course, Joe Montana was traded, so, anything is possible.
I hope Donald retires a Ram.
 

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Not even sure CL identifies as being a Ram... ever, these days

Happy trails and C-ya

Oh, and while a decent player, never EVER lived up to number 2 OA status

Ho hum
 

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Not even sure CL identifies as being a Ram... ever, these days

Happy trails and C-ya

Oh, and while a decent player, never EVER lived up to number 2 OA status

Ho hum

He was better than Dorsey and Gholston combined, so...there's that?
 

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crapping on a guy who's done what he's done for his community and communities across the world because it's reported by the media seems an interesting way to take this but to each their own. And yeah I understand people use the term hate in ways it's not meant to be used.
Just my perception.
As I've said, could be totally wrong.
Some of just seems very....stunty.
The homeless one in particular.
Shallow and sort of insulting.
Again, just my perception.
 

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Just my perception.
As I've said, could be totally wrong.
Some of just seems very....stunty.
The homeless one in particular.
Shallow and sort of insulting.
Again, just my perception.

The homeless thing was William Hayes' idea. Long joined in after hearing about it. And it at least had a happy ending for the man and woman they encountered.

As someone who has been homeless, I don't think it was insulting at all.
 

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The homeless thing was William Hayes' idea. Long joined in after hearing about it. And it at least had a happy ending for the man and woman they encountered.

As someone who has been homeless, I don't think it was insulting at all.
Cool.
This is why I like sharing perceptions.
William Hayes sort of disappeared after leaving the Rams.
 

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Just my perception.
As I've said, could be totally wrong.

You've said this three times now... I think you're on to something! :whistle:;)(y)

It seems near impossible to change anyone's mind about anything these days, but maybe there's hope here...

A few things:

1. Nobody's saying CL is perfect, he's human like anyone else. Maybe he's arrogant and self-aggrandizing, who knows? But it's hard to argue against the idea that thousands of people have had their lives improved because of the work he's done. Maybe someone can like getting attention AND be a good human being at the same time?

2. CL used to be discreet about his charitable giving, but then in 2017 he decided to change his strategy and become public about it. Yeah, ppl can say it's more 'virtuous' to be charitable discreetly, but the cold reality is that charities will receive more money if there is PUBLICITY about them.

3. He donated a million bucks in salary to charity. You don't think this proves anything about his commitment?

I dunno... after someone donates hundreds of hours of his time, and millions of dollars of his money, then at SOME point, maybe he should get some credit for it.

Edit: Les Baker is right, please watch that eight-minute video he posted about CL winning the NFL man of the year award. Helping a million people get access to clean water...?
 
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I viewed him as Howie's son. Still do. Drafted way too high. The Rams picking him was to me another lame PR stunt. Just like Denzel's son in training camp and drafting the first openly homosexual. It was as if anything to take emphasis away from the crappy product on the field was a priority. Hopefully now the emphasis will be upon keeping this team in the playoffs.
 

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I viewed him as Howie's son. Still do. Drafted way too high. The Rams picking him was to me another lame PR stunt. Just like Denzel's son in training camp and drafting the first openly homosexual. It was as if anything to take emphasis away from the crappy product on the field was a priority. Hopefully now the emphasis will be upon keeping this team in the playoffs.

I'll give my thoughts on Michael Sam (the openly gay player) later, but let's go into Long being drafted too high.

The other options were literally Glenn Dorsey or Vernon Gholston. Matt Ryan is nice in hindsight, but we couldn't pay the cost of Bulger and Ryan, and we couldn't cut or trade Bulger because of his contract. Dorsey was talented, but extremely injury-prone and never the talent he was labeled as (once in a decade DT, they said). Gholston was a ginormous bust. He had a grand total of zero sacks, and his tape at the Combine is a warning to those who draft purely on Combine stats.

Agreed on Denzel's son being a publicity stunt, but as I recall, that was in 2006, when we still had Zygmunt and Linehan. I could've made a better draft than those two then, and I was sixteen at the time.

Now to my point on Sam. The only reason he came out was because he was going to be outed by scouts anyway. That alone caused his draft stock to sink from an easy fourth round pick to undrafted free agent, if that. Regardless of what people may think about sexuality and gender, it affected the thinking of teams. Yes, Sam had questionable judgment, and we didn't need a defensive end, but the pick itself was sound. If he hadn't been outed, I firmly believe that he would've played football for a lot longer than he did.
 

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You've said this three times now... I think you're on to something! :whistle:;)(y)

It seems near impossible to change anyone's mind about anything these days, but maybe there's hope here...

A few things:

1. Nobody's saying CL is perfect, he's human like anyone else. Maybe he's arrogant and self-aggrandizing, who knows? But it's hard to argue against the idea that thousands of people have had their lives improved because of the work he's done. Maybe someone can like getting attention AND be a good human being at the same time?

2. CL used to be discreet about his charitable giving, but then in 2017 he decided to change his strategy and become public about it. Yeah, ppl can say it's more 'virtuous' to be charitable discreetly, but the cold reality is that charities will receive more money if there is PUBLICITY about them.

3. He donated a million bucks in salary to charity. You don't think this proves anything about his commitment?

I dunno... after someone donates hundreds of hours of his time, and millions of dollars of his money, then at SOME point, maybe he should get some credit for it.

Edit: Les Baker is right, please watch that eight-minute video he posted about CL winning the NFL man of the year award. Helping a million people get access to clean water...?
As I mentioned, Chris' organization providing clean water wells in third world nations is an absolutely good thing. He has done some wonderful things, I see his heart with kids is good, and he gave his all for the Rams, despite being a bit overrated out of college. (Maybe should have been a second/third-rounder?)

But just like anyone else, sometimes he is wrong. So am I.
 

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You've said this three times now... I think you're on to something! :whistle:;)(y)

It seems near impossible to change anyone's mind about anything these days, but maybe there's hope here...

A few things:

1. Nobody's saying CL is perfect, he's human like anyone else. Maybe he's arrogant and self-aggrandizing, who knows? But it's hard to argue against the idea that thousands of people have had their lives improved because of the work he's done. Maybe someone can like getting attention AND be a good human being at the same time?

2. CL used to be discreet about his charitable giving, but then in 2017 he decided to change his strategy and become public about it. Yeah, ppl can say it's more 'virtuous' to be charitable discreetly, but the cold reality is that charities will receive more money if there is PUBLICITY about them.

3. He donated a million bucks in salary to charity. You don't think this proves anything about his commitment?

I dunno... after someone donates hundreds of hours of his time, and millions of dollars of his money, then at SOME point, maybe he should get some credit for it.

Edit: Les Baker is right, please watch that eight-minute video he posted about CL winning the NFL man of the year award. Helping a million people get access to clean water...?
Just my perception.
I could be wrong.