Yes. Warner got his shot at the end of 1998 and was sent to Amsterdam. Remember the talent level of the 1998 Rams? lol. He couldn't even beat out Tony Banks. And quite frankly, if you're going to keep discounting the just SICK talent that was on the 1999 Rams offense, then you're being extremely disingenuous.
Spare me the disingenuous argument. Warner got zero starts in 1998.
I don't care to hear anymore about the talent Warner had. He posted the second best passing season in NFL history to that point, he won two MVPs that year, and he led the Rams to a Super Bowl victory. I don't give a shit what talent he had. Warner was a HOF caliber QB. Keenum is not. Don't insult Warner's memory by comparing Keenum to him.
It would be like me comparing Daryl Richardson to Eric Dickerson.
"It's not fair to Daryl Richardson because he didn't have the OL that Dickerson had."
Keenum was here for "most" of 2014? He had zero camp time with this team. Zero. I can't even believe you're going this route. It's so unlike you. The numbers say exactly what I've been telling you they say. No QB can tear it up (not even a rookie in this class) unless or until we improve the offense. It's that simple.
That's not relevant to my point. Keenum was on the team so he had some understanding of the offense and some chemistry with the players. Despite the fact that we changed OCs, from all reports, we kept the same system and most of the playbook intact.(but we "simplified" it)
Keenum was not in his first year with the Rams. To try and frame it that way is dishonest. The toughest parts of being in your first year with the team are learning the system and building chemistry with teammates. Keenum had both those things.
And you know this how? Seriously. You're just throwing crap against the wall now. I can play this game too. If Bradford had played the last 5 games of 2015, he would have done almost exactly the same as Keenum.
Because Bradford played with Steven Jackson and didn't average 25 attempts per game.
Are you serious right now? Every time you make a counter argument, I supply you with stats and information to accommodate you. And now you're moving the goal posts yet again? Would you like to count the overall W/L record of both Bradford and Keenum's opponents in ALL of the games they ever played? You said Keenum had a cupcake schedule and he didn't. I showed you that Bradford did. Why are you going down a rabbit hole only so you can pull Keenum down with you?
Hold up here...I'm moving the goal posts? You created a gigantic strawman argument and I'm moving the goal posts? I talked about Keenum playing a weak OVERALL schedule. You chose to not include the stats for the overall schedule. That's what I asked you for. That's not moving the goal posts. That's asking for you to address my actual argument.
You're right about one thing, though. I said Keenum had a cupcake schedule. You never addressed that point. You removed two of the five games. Two games that came against bad teams. You also removed four of Bradford's seven games. I don't remember who they were against so I can't speak to whether they were good or bad teams. That's not addressing my argument.
So I won't have to "move the goal posts" if you won't refute strawman arguments.
I'd be fine with that too. I've never ruled out getting a clear upgrade to Keenum AND adding playmakers to the offense. But what're we gonna do that with? Two picks in the 2016 draft after unloading everything to move into the top 2, and more picks the following year? I just reject your assessment of Keenum's talent. I really don't think you watched him closely enough, because he's not the garbage you're making him out to be.
I watched him plenty closely. I watch every QB on this team closely.
How will we add a QB and playmakers? Trade up for Goff/Wentz or take Lynch. Add a WR in the 2nd. Add Anquan fucking Boldin in free agency.(yes, I'm still mad that they won't make this move...for their sake, I hope it's because Boldin will only play for a contender)
You don't want to be like the Texans who got into the playoffs because Hoyer had a crappy game? You mean like when Brett Favre got the Packers into the playoffs and threw 7 interceptions against the Rams? That Texans TEAM got into the playoffs largely because DeAndre Hopkins had 192 targets for 11 TDs. The entire Rams receiving corps (TEs included) combined for 11 TDs last year. They used FOUR quarterbacks last year, and Hopkins kept on producing. We should be so cursed to be like that team with a receiver like that.
No. I don't want to be like the Texans. Making the playoffs in 2016 with Keenum only to realize he's not good enough, not be in position to draft a franchise QB, and desperately throw 4 years $72 million at a mediocre QB would be an incredibly shitty position to be in. Yes, it would be good to make the playoffs. But it would be extremely crappy to see that this team has no future of being a real contender because we didn't wise up and address the QB position when we should have.
That Texans team got into the playoffs largely because of DeAndre Hopkins? It wasn't their defense which ranked 7th in Points Allowed? It was a WR who helped their offense rank 21st in Points Scored?
And last I checked, the Packers didn't go out and give a mediocre QB $18 million a year because they were so desperate to move on from Favre. Not to mention the fact that Favre had already brought the Packers a Super Bowl title and was a multiple time MVP. So no, I don't think it's remotely comparable. But Case Keenum is more than welcome to throw 10 INTs in a playoff game if he leads the Rams to a Super Bowl title, wins multiple MVPs, and makes himself a clear first ballot HOFer before that happens.
Yeah. Why not? Is 6 journeymen QBs winning the SB not enough proof that it's possible? This isn't a team that's going to win the SB on offense no matter how much you wish it to be true. This team is going to get into the playoffs, and win, ONLY on the strength of the defense and run game and play-action. Unless they do a complete 180 and fill the team with enough playmakers to turn it into a Coryell offense.
I don't care if it's possible. I care about the Rams being in the best position to win a Super Bowl. Having a journeyman QB does not accomplish that. The 2006 Colts won the Super Bowl despite being ranked 23rd in Points Allowed. I'm not going to say, "Fuck it. If the Colts can win a Super Bowl with a poorly performing defense, the Rams can. Let's dump our defense."
This is a team that can win a Super Bowl in the very near future if we get ourselves a franchise QB. The Patriots and Seahawks left a very clear blueprint for how to win Super Bowls with defenses, running games, and franchise QBs. It didn't include an overwhelming amount of talent at WR.
