Carson Wentz signs 4 year extension

[SuperMan28]

Yep. The Article skews the numbers by not including that little fact that Goff only started 7 games his rookie year.

Also Dak has never thrown over 23 TD’s in any year.

2018 Goff 32TD 12int 4668 yards 8.4 ypa

2018 Dak 22TD 8int 3885 yards 7.4 ypa

No one in their right mind would compare Dak to Goff.

And yet their contracts may both be between 33 and 37 million a season. Maybe more! Jerry is gonna pay like a big boy but that's not Daks level of play. Somethings gotta give.

 

[Merlin]

I guess we will just have to wait and see. Lots of interesting QB situations out there. Mayfield is getting tons of hype. Murray is said to be even better than him. Wentz was an MVP front runner at one time. Brady wants to play a few more years. Breese is still playing at a high level and his offense is stacked. Rogers isn't done. Rivers is a forgotten stud, Wilson too. Derek Carr revival looks to be on the horizon with AB. Love Drew Lock as a Tiger but he went to the wrong team (hes not a starter yet but he'll be a stud) Matt Ryan was MVP not long ago and still... not old. Lamar Jackson could be awesome if he could learn to throw earlier in a Playoff game.And sure, Ill agree Goff is right in the mix.

With QBs I look heavily at situation on top of the talent and fit. Goff isn't an off-schedule QB that the media drools over, but he is simply set up for long term success in much the same way Brady has been. Ten years from now his numbers are going to be insane and among the best ever. Goff basically has his offensive genius locked up as his head coach and he is probably going to have a long term quality defense on the other side to support him too which is crucial. But just going around the league...

I think Brees is almost done. His rubberband arm already limits what the Stains can do.

Brady just won his last Super Bowl IMO. He's not going to be the same without Gronk, and this next year teams are going to sit on his short routes heavier like the Rams did. Time is undefeated, I think his era is coming to a close.

Rivers is much of the same. Great QB, but he demonstrates how crucial it is to have the right situation around you and fit as a QB. And time is about out for him too.

Rogers isn't done but he's a prick in a situation where the organization might see a serious dip, which is unfortunate for a guy who still has some of his golden years left. I think there's going to be struggle and drama in his immediate future.

Wilson is going to continue to be limited by a run-first offense. He is a great QB but will never put up the insane numbers some of the others will.

Carr revival is possible but he's a dumb QB IMO. I don't think he's got the talent to sustain big passing numbers long term.

Ryan demonstrates the importance of the right situation as well. He is similar to Goff but in a less than stellar circumstance and it's going to hurt him long term. At least until they get it right but not sure they're going to. IMO Winston will probably have a better year this season because of Arians' addition in Tampa.

Mayfield does give me pause. He is a gamer but how stable is Cleveland going to be? I suspect his head coach is in over his head and there's gonna be some year 2 drama before they settle in with a more qualified HC who can run the whole thing. Pu$$y head coach + strong willed players is a recipe for a letdown.

Reason I say Goff and Mahomes is because Mahomes has a similar situation to Goff in a coach who can scheme it up offensively and that stability is going to pay major dividends over time.

 

[SuperMan28]

With QBs I look heavily at situation on top of the talent and fit. Goff isn't an off-schedule QB that the media drools over, but he is simply set up for long term success in much the same way Brady has been. Ten years from now his numbers are going to be insane and among the best ever. Goff basically has his offensive genius locked up as his head coach and he is probably going to have a long term quality defense on the other side to support him too which is crucial. But just going around the league...

I think Brees is almost done. His rubberband arm already limits what the Stains can do.

Brady just won his last Super Bowl IMO. He's not going to be the same without Gronk, and this next year teams are going to sit on his short routes heavier like the Rams did. Time is undefeated, I think his era is coming to a close.

Rivers is much of the same. Great QB, but he demonstrates how crucial it is to have the right situation around you and fit as a QB. And time is about out for him too.

Rogers isn't done but he's a prick in a situation where the organization might see a serious dip, which is unfortunate for a guy who still has some of his golden years left. I think there's going to be struggle and drama in his immediate future.

Wilson is going to continue to be limited by a run-first offense. He is a great QB but will never put up the insane numbers some of the others will.

Carr revival is possible but he's a dumb QB IMO. I don't think he's got the talent to sustain big passing numbers long term.

Ryan demonstrates the importance of the right situation as well. He is similar to Goff but in a less than stellar circumstance and it's going to hurt him long term. At least until they get it right but not sure they're going to. IMO Winston will probably have a better year this season because of Arians' addition in Tampa.

Mayfield does give me pause. He is a gamer but how stable is Cleveland going to be? I suspect his head coach is in over his head and there's gonna be some year 2 drama before they settle in with a more qualified HC who can run the whole thing. Pu$$y head coach + strong willed players is a recipe for a letdown.

Reason I say Goff and Mahomes is because Mahomes has a similar situation to Goff in a coach who can scheme it up offensively and that stability is going to pay major dividends over time.

I agree with a lot of that. I thought the best point you made was the coaching in Cleveland. I knee Dorsey would stack that team with talent. But if that talent isn't placed in the situations that best help it succeed then it's a waste.

Disagree with Breese. They just got Cook you see what he did with that TE that went to SEA and did nothing.

Wilson is the best QB in the NFC IMO but that team peaked and is a year or two away now.

Ryan may or may not be in a similar situation as Goff. I'm on the fence there. Julio, Ridley, good TE is awesome.

I think Gronk will be back no later than week 13. He only cares about rings at this point and that division still blows.

You forgot Wentz, bud. They just got D Jax and they already had Aghalor and and Jeffery plus some really good RBs and Ertz. That's the situation you are talking about.

We good on the rest

 

[Ram65]

Why didn't the Rams resign Goff now?

They could somehow use the higher salary next year to lower the cap hit early on I guess.

Seems like a gamble that can cost more money. While Eagles risk is Wentz' injury history Goff has been healthy.

On a side note the reports here are that Wentz looks different. They say he looks not as thick meaning more lean/skinnier. Sounds like Goff. Goff take a licking and keeps on ticking.

 

[TexasRam]

Russell Wilson is what I call a "Prevent D" or "Garbage time" QB.

His massive stat padding in garbage time is absurd.

2017 Wilson:
1st Quarter - 75.3 QB rating (32nd) 5.8 ypa (34th)
1-3 Quarters - 83.5 QB rating, 15 TD 10 Int
4th Quarter - 138.2 QB rating 19 TD 1 int


He is not a QB that throws NFL throws all game, gets up on teams and sits down in the fourth quarter like Goff and the other Greats. Wilson is the opposite. He struggles very often through 2-3 Quarters of a game but always is backed by a great defense to keep it close, so he utilizes late game prevent defenses and soft coverages and 4 down drives to do his dirty work.

If Wilson didn't have the best defense in the NFL for a few years, he wouldn't have a Super Bowl.

Facts.

 

[Merlin]

I agree with a lot of that. I thought the best point you made was the coaching in Cleveland. I knee Dorsey would stack that team with talent. But if that talent isn't placed in the situations that best help it succeed then it's a waste.

Disagree with Breese. They just got Cook you see what he did with that TE that went to SEA and did nothing.

Wilson is the best QB in the NFC IMO but that team peaked and is a year or two away now.

Ryan may or may not be in a similar situation as Goff. I'm on the fence there. Julio, Ridley, good TE is awesome.

I think Gronk will be back no later than week 13. He only cares about rings at this point and that division still blows.

You forgot Wentz, bud. They just got D Jax and they already had Aghalor and and Jeffery plus some really good RBs and Ertz. That's the situation you are talking about.

We good on the rest

Yeah I have the utmost respect for Wentz. But he has never been able to stay healthy and still runs to contact. Will he learn? I don't know. He's in the mix I just think he'll be a cut below Goff & Mahomes over the next decade or so due to missed games/injuries.

Re: Cook you're not gonna get much backup on a Rams board lmao. I can't stand that dude and think he's an underachieving POS with poor hands. Brees is going to have a good year btw. Just think the end is nigh for him.

Re: Ryan he had the perfect offensive mind before Shanny Jr left for SF. Now? Koetter lmao. Some OCs it really doesn't matter how good your talent is. He'll put up some good numbers this year maybe but I still don't think he's set up for long term success.

Which reminds me: Garoppollo. Overrated as that MFer is in the media his situation is good just by having his OC locked up as his HC and what looks like a future HoF TE in his prime. Particularly if they can find a couple wideouts to complement Kittle. But my whiner bias prevents me from going further lol.

In all seriousness of course who knows. But I'm just of the opinion that Goff is set the F up. Plus I think he's much better than people realize, and I also think pocket QBs take longer to get truly appreciated. So it's coming IMO but hey maybe I'm biased. Well tbh I am biased so maybe I'm right anyway.

 

[SuperMan28]

Why didn't the Rams resign Goff now?

They could somehow use the higher salary next year to lower the cap hit early on I guess.

Seems like a gamble that can cost more money. While Eagles risk is Wentz' injury history Goff has been healthy.

On a side note the reports here are that Wentz looks different. They say he looks not as thick meaning more lean/skinnier. Sounds like Goff. Goff take a licking and keeps on ticking.

Fair point, I'd say. Won't get any easier.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Sure feels like the new CBA needs to limit the ceiling of the higher end deals, saving some cap for the rest of the roster.

It’s an odd window with the CBA expiring after 2020.

Feels like it would be ideal to sign Goff soon. Then again, the Rams seem to have a plan.

 

[Tano]

I feel that in the next CBA that they should put in the following clause or something like this.

Highest paid player cannot go over 17 % - 18% of the cap. However, they can put in the contract that their salary can go up to the max % every time the cap goes up.

I think 17% - 18% is a fair number.

And then raise the minimum salary to $1 million with a corresponding increase to the cap for those players (taking into account the 18% maximum increase that will also occur).

One thing to keep in mind - this max cap will only be attainable by probably the top 5 - 10 QBs in the game.

Of course I am dreaming that this will actually be implemented.

 

[Raptorman]

Russell Wilson is what I call a "Prevent D" or "Garbage time" QB.

H
If Wilson didn't have the best defense in the NFL for a few years, he wouldn't have a Super Bowl.

Facts.

That's pretty much par for the course on any team that wins the Super Bowl. If Warner didn't have the 4th best defense the Rams wouldn't have won it.