Brian Flores suing NFL

[Allen2McVay]

BB saying he heard that Flores was the guy in NY doesn't help his case. That insinuates they were high on him which works against the racism angle.

From what I read, Belichick thought he was texting Brian Daboll but mistakenly texted Brian Flores.

 

[Memento]

Okay, I think that the Rooney rule has failed. If what Flores said about Denver is true (that John Elway and company basically came in an hour late and hungover and conducted a sham interview), then yeah, that's a failure of a rule. There needs to be more of a grassroots movement to help people (not just people of color, but women as well, honestly; I think women could make excellent GMs and scouts. I know I'm biased, and I don't care.) get jobs in the coaching and front office, even if it's something like analytics.

There shouldn't be a limit to coaching jobs; look at what the Giants in baseball did; an amazing record and a playoff berth while having a ton of coaches, including a woman coaching. Even if you have to make up new jobs, get people involved who want to be involved.

EDIT: This may be me just rambling. I think it makes sense now, I may not think it makes sense later.

 

[JonRam99]

What. A. Mess.

 

[Merlin]

From what I read, Belichick thought he was texting Brian Daboll but mistakenly texted Brian Flores.

Ok I get it. Should have realized that.

Problem for him then is that Belicheat is not in a spot to speak for the Giants.

Still feel like he needs to throttle back. Just do your thing dude and when you get your next look dunk that shit.

 

[RhodyRams]

Bellicheat will destroy his phone to get rid of the text just like Brady during deflategate

 

[AvengerRam]

I disagree. I think it settles - but if not, its a question of damages - not winning or losing.

the league put the Rooney rule in place for a reason - and if you have a smoking gun that it wasn't followed, that you were just used as a token - I think you have good grounds for a discrimination case.

No, you don't. The Rooney rule is not legally enforceable. If you could show a team deliberately disregarded it, that might be deemed circumstantial evidence of a discriminatory intent, but the plaintiff would still have to prove that the hiring decision was not made for legitimate, nondiscriminatory reasons.

None of these issues, however, justify (1) suing the NFL, rather than the team alleged to have discriminated, or (2) the attempt to make this a class action.

 

[Selassie I]

Belicheat did this on purpose.

No doubt in my mind.

 

[Psycho_X]

Problem for him then is that Belicheat is not in a spot to speak for the Giants.

Yeah that's what makes this so flimsy unless there's more to be released. If I'm the Giants I say "Oh yeah I was talking to Bill one evening and made the comment that we really liked Daboll and he must have took it as us already making a final decision. But truth of the matter was that we really liked Flores and we were not going to make a decision before we gave him an opportunity to present his ideas on leading our organization into the future. In the end, it was a tough decision but we were blown away by Daboll's vision on where to take this organization and our team."

Done.

 

[OldSchool]

So the question is will the pay to lose allegations force an ownership change in Miami?

 

[jrry32]

Brian Flores finished the 2021 season on a 8-1 run. The Dolphins fired him anyways. He led them to back-to-back winning seasons despite having a very mediocre roster. Yet, somehow, many other NFL teams wanted no part of him this off-season while considering numerous retread candidates.

By filing this lawsuit, Brian Flores has EVERYTHING TO LOSE. He could have kept quiet, taken a coordinator job, and been a head coach again soon. This lawsuit could end his NFL career. I ask you to think about that before you glibly dismiss his allegations.

 

[Merlin]

So the question is will the pay to lose allegations force an ownership change in Miami?

I would burn my jerseys and find a new team if my owner did that shit.

 

[12intheBox]

No, you don't. The Rooney rule is not legally enforceable. If you could show a team deliberately disregarded it, that might be deemed circumstantial evidence of a discriminatory intent, but the plaintiff would still have to prove that the hiring decision was not made for legitimate, nondiscriminatory reasons.

None of these issues, however, justify (1) suing the NFL, rather than the team alleged to have discriminated, or (2) the attempt to make this a class action.

I don't practice employment law - I'll admit - but I just read through this complaint. If it survives a motion to dismiss (and I think it will) - then you and I both know the NFL will settle this to avoid the discovery process. Everything is in play, Kaep, Gruden, Concussion settlements, the hiring and firing of dozens and dozens of positions.

Look at the firm that filed this - these lawyers are real.

I'm telling you - this looks like a problem for the league.

 

[Merlin]

I ask you to think about that before you glibly dismiss his allegations.

 

[12intheBox]

Yeah that's what makes this so flimsy unless there's more to be released. If I'm the Giants I say "Oh yeah I was talking to Bill one evening and made the comment that we really liked Daboll and he must have took it as us already making a final decision. But truth of the matter was that we really liked Flores and we were not going to make a decision before we gave him an opportunity to present his ideas on leading our organization into the future. In the end, it was a tough decision but we were blown away by Daboll's vision on where to take this organization and our team."

Done.

Even if that is a lie, is that what you would say? You don't have the right to plead the 5th in civil cases - part of the discovery process is the duty to tell the truth.

 

[Kupped]

No, you don't. The Rooney rule is not legally enforceable. If you could show a team deliberately disregarded it, that might be deemed circumstantial evidence of a discriminatory intent, but the plaintiff would still have to prove that the hiring decision was not made for legitimate, nondiscriminatory reasons.

None of these issues, however, justify (1) suing the NFL, rather than the team alleged to have discriminated, or (2) the attempt to make this a class action.

I appreciate the breakdown.

Where I’d quibble is calling it extortion.

Much like Stl’s relocation suit forcing a reckoning… showing the world what the league does, rather than what it claims.. with a policy like this that the league uses as armor against claims of racism.. seems like a worthy and defensible suit from an ethical perspective.

 

[AvengerRam]

I don't practice employment law - I'll admit - but I just read through this complaint. If it survives a motion to dismiss (and I think it will) - then you and I both know the NFL will settle this to avoid the discovery process. Everything is in play, Kaep, Gruden, Concussion settlements, the hiring and firing of dozens and dozens of positions.

Look at the firm that filed this - these lawyers are real.

I'm telling you - this looks like a problem for the league.

I do practice employment law. I have for 30 years. I've represented employers and employees.

This may survive a motion to dismiss (though it will likely have to be amended first, given how the claims were framed and some of the superfluous commentary that a judge may strike) and it may ultimately settle. Lots of claims that have little or no actual legal merit settle due to the defendant's desire to avoid the costs (real and intangible) associated with mounting a defense.

However, make no mistake... this is not a serious attempt to obtain a legal remedy for an aggrieved individual (Flores). This is a political stunt.

 

[AvengerRam]

I appreciate the breakdown.

Where I’d quibble is calling it extortion.

Much like Stl’s relocation suit forcing a reckoning… showing the world what the league does, rather than what it claims.. with a policy like this that the league uses as armor against claims of racism.. seems like a worthy and defensible suit from an ethical perspective.

I'm using the term "extortion" in its general sense - an attempt to compel someone to pay you money by threatening them (as opposed to seeking a legal judgment). I believe that this is a primary purpose of this action, along with making a political statement.

 

[AvengerRam]

So the question is will the pay to lose allegations force an ownership change in Miami?

If that allegation is true, it could very well result in the league taking action against the Dolphins' ownership.

It would not, however, establish a claim of race discrimination.

 

[12intheBox]

I do practice employment law. I have for 30 years. I've represented employers and employees.

This may survive a motion to dismiss (though it will likely have to be amended first, given how the claims were framed and some of the superfluous commentary that a judge may strike) and it may ultimately settle. Lots of claims that have little or no actual legal merit settle due to the defendant's desire to avoid the costs (real and intangible) associated with mounting a defense.

However, make no mistake... this is not a serious attempt to obtain a legal remedy for an aggrieved individual (Flores). This is a political stunt.

Political to what end? What is the end game for Flores here? Or for the law firm?

 

[jrry32]

Yes, yes, I'm being unreasonable by asking you not to just immediately conclude that a guy who is literally putting his promising career on the line isn't just lying for attention.

I'm using the term "extortion" in its general sense - an attempt to compel someone to pay you money by threatening them (as opposed to seeking a legal judgment). I believe that this is a primary purpose of this action, along with making a political statement.

Why would he risk blowing up his career to make a political statement?