Bill Belichick not a first-ballot Hall of Famer

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I understand the argument on both sides. My thoughts are simple: he deserves to be in the HoF because there's no way anyone can convince me that it's possible to cheat your way to 8 separate Superbowls.

On the other hand, snubbing him for 1st ballot was appropriate simply due to the controversy surrounding all the cheating allegations–whether proven or otherwise–as the controversy certainly brought into question the integrity of the game. The league could have snuffed that out long ago but chose not to.

Now, it is obvious that the NFL is almost WWE like in that it is one thing above all else–entertainment.

He deserves the HoF because of the way the league decided to handle everything.

Give the man the (black) roses due him.
 
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David Ray said:
Joe Gibbs.
George Allen (he only used Jurgensen when Kilmer wasn't moving the team and wouldn't permit him to be on
the REDSKINS' sideline in Super Bowl VII, though Kilmer wanted the injured QB's help.

Anyway, that's two off the top of my head.

Oh, and Bill Parcells, whom it is rumored instructed his Giants DC in the ways of espionage.
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DragonOfBlood said:
Obviously it's an oversimplification, but every HoF coach has had rosters with multiple HoF players, many of them QBs.
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DragonOfBlood said:
No doubt. Shula helped him get his rings, Marino helped him get that career wins record.

Shula might be the best example of "imagine X coach without Y QB."
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How? He won with multiple QBs. He's the polar opposite of a coach who tied his career to a single QB
Won a championship with Unitas (pre SB) then went to the SB with 3 different QB
 
Here's the breakdown.

Belichick could NEVER do anything significant without Brady.
The Patriots cheated, some claim from the very beginning (2000 on).

The latter brings into question the legitimacy of the dynasty.
The former brings into question who was more responsible, the coach or the QB.

When you review the allegations, of which more than one have been substantiated and combine that with the facts that support the Brady or Belichick debate, the head coach comes off looking like someone who had to cheat to get an edge, and in addition, was limited to how well he could use that edge without the HOF QB. Either way, he DESERVES not to be a first ballot HOF coach at best and at worst, doesn't belong there in the first place without the disclaimer, "his accomplishments were very likely attained through nefarious means and decitful practices".

How's it go? Once is a mistake, twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend. He has trended towards a lifelong cheater his entire coaching career. And yet so many talking heads and fans are up in arms because he wasn't voted in on the first ballot.

Naivity is a flaw. Ignorance is a choice.
 
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PARAM said:
Here's the breakdown.

Belichick could NEVER do anything significant without Brady.
The Patriots cheated, some claim from the very beginning (2000 on).

The latter brings into question the legitimacy of the dynasty.
The former brings into question who was more responsible, the coach or the QB.

When you review the allegations, of which more than one have been substantiated and combine that with the facts that support the Brady or Belichick debate, the head coach comes off looking like someone who had to cheat to get an edge, and in addition, was limited to how well he could use that edge without the HOF QB. Either way, he DESERVES not to be a first ballot HOF coach at best and at worst, doesn't belong there in the first place without the disclaimer, "his accomplishments were very likely attained through nefarious means and decitful practices".

How's it go? Once is a mistake, twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend. He has trended towards a lifelong cheater his entire coaching career. And yet so many talking heads and fans are up in arms because he wasn't voted in on the first ballot.

Naivity is a flaw. Ignorance is a choice.
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All the talking heads are defending him because to question him brings the integrity of the sport into question, as it should.
Goodell was the COO of the NFL when Super Bowl XXXVI was played. One of his primary responsibilties was oversight of the game day officials. Now, we all know that the RAMS were shafted in February 2002 out of a second Super Bowl championship.
Then, a couple years later, Bob Kraft was highly instrumental in Goodell getting promoted to commissioner of the NFL.
If that doesn't scream QUID PRO QUO, I don't know what would.
 
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dieterbrock said:
My bad, got to SB with Unitas and lost to Jets, so he went to SB with 2 different teams and 4 different QB's
Really the coach who was least tied to a QB
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Truth be told, his 1968 Colts team made Super Bowl III with Earl Morrall, who won MVP that season, under center, though Unitas, who was injured that season, was called upon in the waning minutes against the Jets and led Baltimore to their only TD in that huge upset.
 
David Ray said:
Truth be told, his 1968 Colts team made Super Bowl III with Earl Morrall, who won MVP that season, under center, though Unitas, who was injured that season, was called upon in the waning minutes against the Jets and led Baltimore to their only TD in that huge upset.
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Morrall also won 9 games in the undefeated season, all just further evidence to Shula being the least tied to an individual QB in history
 
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How? He won with multiple QBs. He's the polar opposite of a coach who tied his career to a single QB
Won a championship with Unitas (pre SB) then went to the SB with 3 different QB
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You don’t a connection that a guy with multiple HoF QBs has multiple rings and the all time career wins record? Okie doke.
 
DragonOfBlood said:
You don’t a connection that a guy with multiple HoF QBs has multiple rings and the all time career wins record? Okie doke.
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Are you even reading what you are writing?
You said "Shula might be the best example of "imagine X coach without Y QB."
Which is beyond preposterous. He's the polar opposite of that. The dude got to the Superbowl part and partial to the play of 4 different starting QB. Noll without Bradshaw? Walsh without Montana? Johnson without Aikman?
Shula is the furthest thing from it
 
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dieterbrock said:
Are you even reading what you are writing?
You said "Shula might be the best example of "imagine X coach without Y QB."
Which is beyond preposterous. He's the polar opposite of that. The dude got to the Superbowl part and partial to the play of 4 different starting QB. Noll without Bradshaw? Walsh without Montana? Johnson without Aikman?
Shula is the furthest thing from it
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David Woodley and Don Strock were quite the pair but neither were close to HOF material.

Unitas, Morrall, Griese, Woodley-Strock and Marino. Yeah Shula was nothing without those 6 QBs!!! :laugh4::wow2:
 
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