But that is just it, the rules, as they are written, are not different for a QB in that situation. If Gurley decides to slide, or AP decides to slide the rules are written to be same!
Anyone else see what the Vikings HC said after the game?
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Like most things can't be determined yet...don't know till it is done. Right now yes, and let me be clear I think this is VERY unlikely (purely hypothetical), but if there was another scandal and we lost draft picks etc due to it...well then maybe not...
It is sort of Calipari at KY most every KY fan would say it was worth having him, but if in a couple years there is scandal, titles stripped, and the program gutted.......well (once again not trying to put GW in the same category, merely giving example). Or asking Cards fans if having big mac here was worth it, considering the excitement he brought, the good times....then the scandal, and black eye....I think most would say yes it was worth it (each set of circumstances end different). GW could end up a great redemption story, one for the books and movies...
SuperMan28
Hall of Fame
I watched the replay several times over at NFL.com.
#1, it's not clear that Joyner could have avoided contact - it looked like he went low right about the same time Bridgewater began his slide. As close in time as those two events occur, it's probably beyond the ability of human reaction time to have avoided contact. As long as Bridgewater was running upright, Joyner has every right to go into try to tackle him. If Bridgewater starts to slide at just about the same time Joyner commits to making a tackle, that's just unfortunate timing, not dirty play.
#2 In contrast to what the game announcers said (and others have written), Joyner most decidedly did not use his forearm on Bridgewater. As you watch the play unfold, once Joyner realizes that Bridgewater is sliding, he actually pulls his arm into his own body. It was the side of Joyner's upper arm that actually makes contact with Bridgewater's helmet. If you are trying to execute a dirty hit, that certainly seems like an unusual part of the arm to do it with.
So looking at the replay, I have a hard time seeing where Joyner was doing anything other than playing hard nosed football. Zimmerman is supposed to be an old school coach, he should quit whining, injuries like that happen. Unfortunate, but not intentional. Just bad timing.
Two other points, one somewhat related to the play, the other one not:
#3 Ironically, only a few plays earlier, TruJo go flagged for defensive holding on an atrociously bad call. Had he not been, it would have set up 3rd and 16 much deeper in their own territory. The likelihood of Bridgewater scrambling such a play would have been much less, and it's probable the way the defense was playing that they would have gotten the stop. Instead, their drive was extended by a penalty that should have never been called, and Bridgewater ended up getting KO'd a few plays later (FYI, it was 2nd and 1 on the play he was injured).
#4 With respect to his thinly veiled jabs at Fisher and Williams, at least those guys never referred to a child-beater as a role model. Can't say the same for Zimmerman.
#1, it's not clear that Joyner could have avoided contact - it looked like he went low right about the same time Bridgewater began his slide. As close in time as those two events occur, it's probably beyond the ability of human reaction time to have avoided contact. As long as Bridgewater was running upright, Joyner has every right to go into try to tackle him. If Bridgewater starts to slide at just about the same time Joyner commits to making a tackle, that's just unfortunate timing, not dirty play.
#2 In contrast to what the game announcers said (and others have written), Joyner most decidedly did not use his forearm on Bridgewater. As you watch the play unfold, once Joyner realizes that Bridgewater is sliding, he actually pulls his arm into his own body. It was the side of Joyner's upper arm that actually makes contact with Bridgewater's helmet. If you are trying to execute a dirty hit, that certainly seems like an unusual part of the arm to do it with.
So looking at the replay, I have a hard time seeing where Joyner was doing anything other than playing hard nosed football. Zimmerman is supposed to be an old school coach, he should quit whining, injuries like that happen. Unfortunate, but not intentional. Just bad timing.
Two other points, one somewhat related to the play, the other one not:
#3 Ironically, only a few plays earlier, TruJo go flagged for defensive holding on an atrociously bad call. Had he not been, it would have set up 3rd and 16 much deeper in their own territory. The likelihood of Bridgewater scrambling such a play would have been much less, and it's probable the way the defense was playing that they would have gotten the stop. Instead, their drive was extended by a penalty that should have never been called, and Bridgewater ended up getting KO'd a few plays later (FYI, it was 2nd and 1 on the play he was injured).
#4 With respect to his thinly veiled jabs at Fisher and Williams, at least those guys never referred to a child-beater as a role model. Can't say the same for Zimmerman.
fearsomefour
Legend
I had the same impression. Not intentionally trying to injure, but, deserved the flag.
Its not like Bridgewater (whom I like quite a bit) was lighting it up.
I feel bad that Zimmer got a sore vag over it.
If it brings us the playoffs and the Super Bowl, the NFL can do whatever they want.
I don't think he really tried to avoid hitting him, but I also would say that guys go right over the head of sliding QBs every week, all day...Flag it, fine him if need be and move on...There's nothing more to see here...I'm a bit confused by the late hit on Foles..Do you suppose he was trying to hurt him ??? Of course not, it's football...
Facebookstalker
UDFA
You guys are funny, your scary defense really is nothing, just not that good. The only thing you are good at is cheap shots, and that still couldn't wind the Game. MN defense is is just plain better than yours, even with our backups in. You lost. Deal with it.
Missed the game. Just watched all the highlights. Looks to me like Joyner barely got a shoulder on Teddy and they were both parallel.
Whats all the fuss about? Do we have another pussyfoot HC in the NFC who doesn't like physical football?
Whats all the fuss about? Do we have another pussyfoot HC in the NFC who doesn't like physical football?
Lol wow. Great analysis there chief. You're clearly salty about Bridgewater. Half our defense was out and our offense couldn't do shit. You guys are mediocre as fuck. One and done in the playoffs, if you make it. Deal with it.
You didn't see our defense icehole. It was on the bench.
Hope we meet again in the playoffs.
View: https://twitter.com/APkrawczynski/status/663486488496181250/photo/1
Thought my gf put it well (She sent me this) "Joyner already showing more class than the Vikings coach"
MountainRam
Rookie
Hey Vikings and Mr.Zimmer-
This is how Rams will play. And this is how Fisher played for 20+ years. Like Belichick, Fisher and Gregg Williams play on the fringe and in the grey areas. There is nothing you or NFL can do about them or us the Rams. Just like cold Minnesota winter, we are coming to playoffs and deal with IT!
This is how Rams will play. And this is how Fisher played for 20+ years. Like Belichick, Fisher and Gregg Williams play on the fringe and in the grey areas. There is nothing you or NFL can do about them or us the Rams. Just like cold Minnesota winter, we are coming to playoffs and deal with IT!
Eh not really. The spear that Foles took at Green Bay was far more violent, dangerous and malicious and yet not many here, no one in the Rams' staff or the media jumped on it as intentional or dirty.
Zimmer overreacted, and now the media will coddle him.
Difference is Foles wasn't concussed and had to leave the game. If either of those happened on a play like what happened with Bridgewater, I'd imagine a lot of us would be pissed.
Zimmer overreacted for sure, but I think most coaches in a similar situation would act the same way as him.
The Vikings played better today. The score says as such. But if you're going to play the whole "missing starters" card, the Rams were without three starters on defense today, too.
Completely forgot about Tree.5 starters on defense.
Gaines showed great potential last year and outplayed Tru and JJ at some points during the season, but I don't know if he'd be starting over either of them right now.