Air India Flight 171

[Merlin]

What a terrible tragedy first off, feel so sorry for the families involved.

Also I wouldn't be flying on a Boeing 787 right now. Been sniffing around a bit on the details of what went down and it looks to me like they're either going to find out they have software issues, or they have a software vulnerability that was used to down that plane. Both of which are things that would prevent me from setting foot on that airframe until it's figured out.

 

[Neil039]

The fact that one person survived is absolutely remarkable. Luckiest man on the planet during this disaster IMO.

 

[CGI_Ram]

What a terrible tragedy first off, feel so sorry for the families involved.

Also I wouldn't be flying on a Boeing 787 right now. Been sniffing around a bit on the details of what went down and it looks to me like they're either going to find out they have software issues, or they have a software vulnerability that was used to down that plane. Both of which are things that would prevent me from setting foot on that airframe until it's figured out.

It’s the first accident on one of these aircrafts, however, right?

Speculation includes a massive bird strike, but a twin engine failure is odd.

 

[Merlin]

They found the black box so this should be interesting.

 

[Londoner]

Also I wouldn't be flying on a Boeing 787 right now.

I don’t fly at all. Or take ships.

Man is a land animal - we aren’t designed to survive in the air or the sea.

 

[Ramhusker]

They had problems on the flight before, ac went out, passenger seat tvs went out, lights went out. It definitely was a sick bird.

 

[Loyal]

I don’t fly at all. Or take ships.

Man is a land animal - we aren’t designed to survive in the air or the sea.

Thank God for the chunnel! ~ Londoner

 

[CGI_Ram]

They had problems on the flight before, ac went out, passenger seat tvs went out, lights went out. It definitely was a sick bird.

Oh. I didn’t hear that, but electrical problem might be it.

A former pilot on YouTube said he thought in a grainy photo it appeared the emergency power prop was deployed to generate electricity. That jives with an electrical problem.

 

[FaulkSF]

What a terrible tragedy first off, feel so sorry for the families involved.

Also I wouldn't be flying on a Boeing 787 right now. Been sniffing around a bit on the details of what went down and it looks to me like they're either going to find out they have software issues, or they have a software vulnerability that was used to down that plane. Both of which are things that would prevent me from setting foot on that airframe until it's figured out.

Boeing won’t admit it but the auxiliary power unit on their 767s are defective and overheat on hot days. About two years ago, many of us had delays due to APU malfunctioning in the Southwest US.

The APU provides cabin air conditioning. On a hot day, there is no way a full plane should be in the air or tarmac for hours with a busted air conditioning unit.

 

[OldSchool]

It’s the first accident on one of these aircrafts, however, right?

Speculation includes a massive bird strike, but a twin engine failure is odd.

Yeah first accident from this model. There are reports that the flight crew had logged maintenance issues that were ignored. I'd seen several pilots, I'm obviously not one I just play one sometimes on Friday nights, speculate that a fire caused the flaps to not raise or that the co pilot hit the flaps instead of raising the landing gear (actual pilots speculation watching the video).

Either way it's tragic so much lost life.

 

[kent.nelson]

Could the surviver have a more British response when asked how he escaped...
"I managed to unbuckle myself, used my leg to push through that opening, and crawled out,"

 

[Merlin]

Boeing won’t admit it but the auxiliary power unit on their 767s are defective and overheat on hot days. About two years ago, many of us had delays due to APU malfunctioning in the Southwest US.

The APU provides cabin air conditioning. On a hot day, there is no way a full plane should be in the air or tarmac for hours with a busted air conditioning unit.

Yes and it supplies power on the ground as well. And it does not surprise me. The FAA has been politicized for years now, and with so much money at stake they often hide issues. When I retired I had many years of releasing aircraft safe for flight under my belt, and a couple of the better job offers I had were from Boeing STL. But I also had some very good reasons for not joining them.

It will be interesting to see what is listed as the cause for this crash. And it won't surprise me if they try to hang it on the pilot. We'll see.

 

[Merlin]

I'm obviously not one I just play one sometimes on Friday nights, speculate that a fire caused the flaps to not raise or that the co pilot hit the flaps instead of raising the landing gear (actual pilots speculation watching the video).

Today's avionics systems are incredible and have grown to prevent some of the potential basic human mistakes that could be made like trying to take off without flaps or raising the flaps instead of the landing gear. And I am not familiar with the 787's specifically, never worked on them, but I would guess the system prevents such an occurrence.

 

[Londoner]

with so much money at stake they often hide issues.

That doesn’t just apply to the FAA, of course. It’s everywhere in the modern world.

 

[OldSchool]

Today's avionics systems are incredible and have grown to prevent some of the potential basic human mistakes that could be made like trying to take off without flaps or raising the flaps instead of the landing gear. And I am not familiar with the 787's specifically, never worked on them, but I would guess the system prevents such an occurrence.

I'm just repeating what somebody who's flown one, by his word, said could have been a cause of this. If you want to disagree that's fine just conveying what I saw.

 

[Selassie I]

I don’t fly at all. Or take ships.

Man is a land animal - we aren’t designed to survive in the air or the sea.

So if I call you Madden sometimes... this is the reason. Mental note taken by me.

Guess I won't be seeing you over here on this side of the pond then. Well, unless you guys build one of your tunnels across the Atlantic.

 

[Londoner]

Guess I won't be seeing you over here on this side of the pond then.

I've always wanted to do a Rams game in LA (then St Louis, now back to LA again!), and I might do it one day. It's not that I have never flown before, but the more I see plane crashes the more I think we just shouldn't be flying.

 

[Selassie I]

I've always wanted to do a Rams game in LA (then St Louis, now back to LA again!), and I might do it one day. It's not that I have never flown before, but the more I see plane crashes the more I think we just shouldn't be flying.

Sir Madden,

My family has been in that industry longer than I've been alive. 2 of them have spent more time in the air than many have been alive... and those 2 are still with us. It's safer than driving, even though it might not feel that way.

 

[Merlin]

I'm just repeating what somebody who's flown one, by his word, said could have been a cause of this. If you want to disagree that's fine just conveying what I saw.

Oh take it easy. I acknowledged I have not worked on that airframe. So I can't really disagree since I don't know for sure.

Just pointing out that even some of the older planes and avionics are designed prevent those types of things. In the old aircraft aviation would use preflight checklists which were laminated and printed out in the cockpits, so if a flight crew did not faithfully go through the checklist every flight it was possible to take off with something set wrong. But as avionics have advanced and progressed to software there are automated checks and balances and even some restrictions in the incorrect control of some flight surfaces.

This is a very intriguing situation because of the nature of the crash. Looks like both engines died, which resulted in a loss of power for the aircraft. Could be a lot of things but I do know that there has been a trend of aircaft functionality transitioning to power generated by the engines vice tapping air off the engine stagings. So that plus the increased dependency on software in these aircraft opens up a lot of scary possibilities in the electronic and software realm.

As an old bastard that stuff concerns me. I prefer the older design focus of redundancy in systems and analog cockpits.

 

[OldSchool]

Oh take it easy. I acknowledged I have not worked on that airframe. So I can't really disagree since I don't know for sure.

Just pointing out that even some of the older planes and avionics are designed prevent those types of things. In the old aircraft aviation would use preflight checklists which were laminated and printed out in the cockpits, so if a flight crew did not faithfully go through the checklist every flight it was possible to take off with something set wrong. But as avionics have advanced and progressed to software there are automated checks and balances and even some restrictions in the incorrect control of some flight surfaces.

This is a very intriguing situation because of the nature of the crash. Looks like both engines died, which resulted in a loss of power for the aircraft. Could be a lot of things but I do know that there has been a trend of aircaft functionality transitioning to power generated by the engines vice tapping air off the engine stagings. So that plus the increased dependency on software in these aircraft opens up a lot of scary possibilities in the electronic and software realm.

As an old bastard that stuff concerns me. I prefer the older design focus of redundancy in systems and analog cockpits.

Not upset al all just pointed out I was relaying so.ebody claiming to be an expert.