After reviewing all the vet FA QB options...
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I think Sanchez is the guy. He is turnover prone, but he knows the system and had a decent year this year. Still fairly young. While not a great starter I think he is an upgrade over the guys we had last year.
I think the Rams go the veteran route to improve their QB situation. I expect a Sanchez, Glennon, or Cousins type in here next year. This team is primed to win and I'm not sure a rookie QB will get us there in 2015. It would be good to nab one in the second or third round to develop however.
I think the Rams go the veteran route to improve their QB situation. I expect a Sanchez, Glennon, or Cousins type in here next year. This team is primed to win and I'm not sure a rookie QB will get us there in 2015. It would be good to nab one in the second or third round to develop however.
I dont know what I'd suggest becasue we dont know who's available yet.What else would you do chief? We're open to ideas.
I like the Glennon idea. I'd gladly take Cutler off of Chicago's hands. If the Rams were to trade up to get Winston or Mariota, it would change perspective on who to "get"
In any event, from a pure talent perspective, Sam is head and shoulders above anyone out there. I get that. However it doesnt change the fact that the liklihood of him playing 16 IMO is slim and none. So he's never the "best" option if the chances of him watching the game on the sidelines in street clothes are extremely high
I've never gotten the Glennon love if he's not even good enough to start for Tampa Bay. Cutler isn't worth it even without the huge contract. Mariota would cost a ton to get and a lot of people are saying he's just the best of a bad class and not all that good himself, and Winston is a headcase and they end up being huge busts.
16 games of any of them will be better than 4-6 games of Sam before he gets hurt.
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Sure, if we absolutely know it's the case that they will all go 16 games and Sam won't. That's just your guess, especially the first part.
And I would disagree that 16 games of Cutler or Winston would be worth it anyway.
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Dieter,
I hear you about it being like comparing apples to oranges when we look at talent vs injury-likelihood when it comes to Sam but I think another way of looking at it is: it's not apples to oranges as much as it's taking all variances into account. If we graded QB prospects on what they could bring to the team, Sam's injury grade would be much lower than others (though, others would have grades - it's not as if there aren't injury concerns with some FA QBs) - it's just one variance among many including: arm strength, smarts, leadership, price, knowledge of offensive sxs.
Now, let's expand that to grading the QB position as a whole. All three spots (QB1, backup, practice squad). I'd even go so far as to grade Sam Bradford at a lower price and a rookie QB* and a seasoned backup (maybe Hill) as the best option for the QB position as a whole.
We may disagree, of course. Regardless, I'm super happy if I'm wrong and the Rams take a ham sandwich in the 1st round and install him as the QB and we win 16 games. My pride would never supersede my desire to win and kick a@@.
*PS, this crop of QBs in the draft will most likely be a really crappy bunch. I'm not sure there's a win there for us but it's still worth a shot.
I hear you about it being like comparing apples to oranges when we look at talent vs injury-likelihood when it comes to Sam but I think another way of looking at it is: it's not apples to oranges as much as it's taking all variances into account. If we graded QB prospects on what they could bring to the team, Sam's injury grade would be much lower than others (though, others would have grades - it's not as if there aren't injury concerns with some FA QBs) - it's just one variance among many including: arm strength, smarts, leadership, price, knowledge of offensive sxs.
Now, let's expand that to grading the QB position as a whole. All three spots (QB1, backup, practice squad). I'd even go so far as to grade Sam Bradford at a lower price and a rookie QB* and a seasoned backup (maybe Hill) as the best option for the QB position as a whole.
We may disagree, of course. Regardless, I'm super happy if I'm wrong and the Rams take a ham sandwich in the 1st round and install him as the QB and we win 16 games. My pride would never supersede my desire to win and kick a@@.
*PS, this crop of QBs in the draft will most likely be a really crappy bunch. I'm not sure there's a win there for us but it's still worth a shot.
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Here's the question to ask about Glennon: Yes, he didn't have an o-coordinator this year, he had a crap oline... but, he had amazing skill players on offense. If you can't put up better numbers with those WRs and that halfback... what does that say about him?
Well, I appreciate that you understand the only point I was trying to make. And that is simply that there isnt a corelation between the talent available and the need to bring back Bradford. No matter how great or poor the talent pool is, it doesnt change Sam's injury prone history.
The lack of stability at the QB position over the past 2 years has been extremely detrimental to the success of the team.
That factor needs to be eliminated
There is no guarantee that any player, least of all a QB behind the Rams Oline will play a full season.
Having two or three QBs that are interchangeable would be great but the CBA won't even let the #1s get enough practice to be proficient how are the 1b and 1c going to get reps? Maybe the rosters need to be expanded to allow more QBs on the roster? Maybe there should be a grooming entity to build NFL ready players?
While all of that would be great they have to deal with what is there and available now and since that is the case Sam is the best solution for this team no matter what Kronke has to pay him. And the next fact is this Oline did not get it done, has not gotten it done for a decade and needs the most attention of any unit. FA draft existing players what ever it takes this unit is the one thing holding back the team the most.
I'm not sure either Hill or Davis should be kept, neither has the arm strength needed to play in the NFL. Bring in as many players as they can get at QB and sort through them for the best three scenarios. Arena football, CFL, college I don't care where they come from there have to be better arms out there than we have seen behind Sam.
But first and foremost FIX THE OLINE!!!!!
Having two or three QBs that are interchangeable would be great but the CBA won't even let the #1s get enough practice to be proficient how are the 1b and 1c going to get reps? Maybe the rosters need to be expanded to allow more QBs on the roster? Maybe there should be a grooming entity to build NFL ready players?
While all of that would be great they have to deal with what is there and available now and since that is the case Sam is the best solution for this team no matter what Kronke has to pay him. And the next fact is this Oline did not get it done, has not gotten it done for a decade and needs the most attention of any unit. FA draft existing players what ever it takes this unit is the one thing holding back the team the most.
I'm not sure either Hill or Davis should be kept, neither has the arm strength needed to play in the NFL. Bring in as many players as they can get at QB and sort through them for the best three scenarios. Arena football, CFL, college I don't care where they come from there have to be better arms out there than we have seen behind Sam.
But first and foremost FIX THE OLINE!!!!!