Aaron Donald’s contract situation

[OldSchool]

I just did some research - NBA players get about 50% and NFL players get about 48%. Should they get 50%? I don't know, but I'm just saying if the pot increases, they should keep the same ratio and get more money as a result.

The cap goes up every year the same percentage as the revenue grows doesn't it? It's gone up 5 straight years over $10 million each year. Hardly something worth crying about that the players get 2% less of the total revenue than another league.

 

[Akrasian]

The cap goes up every year the same percentage as the revenue grows doesn't it? It's gone up 5 straight years over $10 million each year. Hardly something worth crying about that the players get 2% less of the total revenue than another league.

A lot of revenue is not shared, and does not count for the cap. That's why teams move or threaten to move unless they get sweetheart stadium deals with a lot of the revenue not being shared, and so going straight into the owners' pockets.

In addition, as a sport where playing careers are short and come with a decent likelarlihood of being crippling or even long term lethal, I would say the players should get more than the NBA overall.

This is different though than saying the stars deserve to be able to renegotiate at will, or that the stars' percentage of the cap should go up. If anything, stars are more important in the NBA, by a large margin. If only one of the leagues should have a salary max, it should be the NFL, not the NBA. 3 stars surrounded by average players is a championship contender in the NBA. 3 stars surrounded by average players in the NFL is lucky to challenge for a wildcard spot

I suspect there will be an actual strike, and a nasty one, when the CBA is up. With perhaps a major change in how contracts are done, and a major change in how the cap is done, as the goals.

 

[OldSchool]

A lot of revenue is not shared, and does not count for the cap. That's why teams move or threaten to move unless they get sweetheart stadium deals with a lot of the revenue not being shared, and so going straight into the owners' pockets.

In addition, as a sport where playing careers are short and come with a decent likelarlihood of being crippling or even long term lethal, I would say the players should get more than the NBA overall.

This is different though than saying the stars deserve to be able to renegotiate at will, or that the stars' percentage of the cap should go up. If anything, stars are more important in the NBA, by a large margin. If only one of the leagues should have a salary max, it should be the NFL, not the NBA. 3 stars surrounded by average players is a championship contender in the NBA. 3 stars surrounded by average players in the NFL is lucky to challenge for a wildcard spot

I suspect there will be an actual strike, and a nasty one, when the CBA is up. With perhaps a major change in how contracts are done, and a major change in how the cap is done, as the goals.

Hold on while I feel sorry for guys living their dream and making a lot of money while other guys are making even more money. All this after almost all of them got a free ride through college. Yeah I'm almost there to feeling sorry for these guys especially when you look at the salary cap provides for an average of $3.4 million a person and league minimum is $555,000. How can they live off that! They're all greedy the players and the owners. Lets not forget the union who made millions last year and does exactly as the teams do and pays the biggest names the most money. Not to mention DeMaurice Smith who like Goodell became a very wealthy man while the average football player struggles.

Sorry I find it hard to feel sorry for anybody playing in a profession sport. Love watching them on gamedays though.

 

[RamFanWA]

Hold on while I feel sorry for guys living their dream and making a lot of money while other guys are making even more money. All this after almost all of them got a free ride through college. Yeah I'm almost there to feeling sorry for these guys especially when you look at the salary cap provides for an average of $3.4 million a person and league minimum is $555,000. How can they live off that!

Well, there is that.....

 

[Loyal]

Hold on while I feel sorry for guys living their dream and making a lot of money while other guys are making even more money. All this after almost all of them got a free ride through college. Yeah I'm almost there to feeling sorry for these guys especially when you look at the salary cap provides for an average of $3.4 million a person and league minimum is $555,000. How can they live off that! They're all greedy the players and the owners. Lets not forget the union who made millions last year and does exactly as the teams do and pays the biggest names the most money. Not to mention DeMaurice Smith who like Goodell became a very wealthy man while the average football player struggles.

Sorry I find it hard to feel sorry for anybody playing in a profession sport. Love watching them on gamedays though.

I hear what you are saying, but if you’re being honest, would you act differently intheir place? I know that I would tell myself that the owner continues to be a billionaire due to my efforts (and the efforts of the rest of the team), and I would know that when the next young talented guy out of college arrives with a cheap rookie contract (regular NFL player, not AD), they will dump me without hesitation. Yeah,it’s kids game... but if I’m doing it right, a restrictive diet never ends, for years. If I’m doing it right, I go to work early and stay late, and constantly perfect my body and craft, because I know there’s always going to be others who want my job. If you’re Jimmy Kennedy and have done all of these things, having worn out his heart valves, you have a couple of strokes and multiple AFIB episodes at age 38. Yeah, go ahead and get that money AD, Kroenke can afford it.

 

[OldSchool]

I hear what you are saying, but if you’re being honest, would you act differently intheir place? I know that I would tell myself that the owner continues to be a billionaire due to my efforts (and the efforts of the rest of the team), and I would know that when the next young talented guy out of college arrives with a cheap rookie contract (regular NFL player, not AD), they will dump me without hesitation. Yeah,it’s kids game... but if I’m doing it right, a restrictive diet never ends, for years. If I’m doing it right, I go to work early and stay late, and constantly perfect my body and craft, because I know there’s always going to be others who want my job. If you’re Jimmy Kennedy and have done all of these things, having worn out his heart valves, you have a couple of strokes and multiple AFIB episodes at age 38. Yeah, go ahead and get that money AD, Kroenke can afford it.

Maybe it's just me but yeah I would think the same. I realize the owners put up the money to start and fund the league. It's their business that everybody else is working in. Sorry that's the way the world works it's no different than any of us unless we have our own business. Every negative thing you're describing is something they do to themselves to try to make that money. Sorry they didn't have to go into football and suffer those things.

 

[Loyal]

Maybe it's just me but yeah I would think the same. I realize the owners put up the money to start and fund the league. It's their business that everybody else is working in. Sorry that's the way the world works it's no different than any of us unless we have our own business. Every negative thing you're describing is something they do to themselves to try to make that money. Sorry they didn't have to go into football and suffer those things.

Business is business, and the negative things can come with it, but we can’t complain if (or shouldn’t ) if the player is also using the tools he has to increase his pay. Business is business.

 

[DLux27]

The players sign the contract, if there gonna get all bent out of shape 3 years into a 6 year deal then don’t sign a 6 year deal. Oh wait what if they get injured, that’s why they sign the 6 year instead of doing 2 year deals which if they stayed healthy would lead to significant raises. So essentially the players want their cake (long term contracts) and eat it too (renegotiate halfway through). It’s just business when it comes down to it they can risk for shorter deals with more pay or go for security but it seems they want both that’s why I have no issue with teams applying tags and not renegotiating. They don’t have to sign on the bottom line..... They should weigh the risk/reward and make a decision.

 

[OldSchool]

Business is business, and the negative things can come with it, but we can’t complain if (or shouldn’t ) if the player is also using the tools he has to increase his pay. Business is business.

I don't fault them for doing it, but the opinion was put out that we should feel sorry for them. I've never criticized AD for what he's doing. I've also never criticized the team for doing what they're doing. Neither will get pity from me either.

 

[Loyal]

The players sign the contract, if there gonna get all bent out of shape 3 years into a 6 year deal then don’t sign a 6 year deal. Oh wait what if they get injured, that’s why they sign the 6 year instead of doing 2 year deals which if they stayed healthy would lead to significant raises. So essentially the players want their cake (long term contracts) and eat it too (renegotiate halfway through). It’s just business when it comes down to it they can risk for shorter deals with more pay or go for security but it seems they want both that’s why I have no issue with teams applying tags and not renegotiating. They don’t have to sign on the bottom line..... They should weigh the risk/reward and make a decision.

Or the NFL owners could guarantee full contracts like MLB, but also want that “cake” to eat. Six year deals are fantasy land,mostly, in the NFL.

 

[RamBall]

I hear what you are saying, but if you’re being honest, would you act differently intheir place? I know that I would tell myself that the owner continues to be a billionaire due to my efforts (and the efforts of the rest of the team), and I would know that when the next young talented guy out of college arrives with a cheap rookie contract (regular NFL player, not AD), they will dump me without hesitation. Yeah,it’s kids game... but if I’m doing it right, a restrictive diet never ends, for years. If I’m doing it right, I go to work early and stay late, and constantly perfect my body and craft, because I know there’s always going to be others who want my job. If you’re Jimmy Kennedy and have done all of these things, having worn out his heart valves, you have a couple of strokes and multiple AFIB episodes at age 38. Yeah, go ahead and get that money AD, Kroenke can afford it.

If I were getting paid millions-10s of millions of $ to play a game I loved as a child I dont think I would be to worried about Joe Blow making more than me. I know its hard to know for sure, but I dont think I would let my ego get in the way of me playing a game I love.

Unfortunately for me I loved alcohol and drugs too much to ever find out if I could have gone on to play baseball or football at the college level to get a shot at a professional career. My lack of size may have prohibited making it beyond college, but I will never know.

 

[DLux27]

Or the NFL owners could guarantee full contracts like MLB, but also want that “cake” to eat. Six year deals are fantasy land,mostly, in the NFL.

Again the players sign the deals... look what Kirk Cousins did, he’s changing the game and other players need to take notice and demand fully guaranteed contracts like he did. If I was an owner and the players kept taking bad contracts why in the world would I just start handing out fully guaranteed ones when they keep taking less, it’s all bargaining.

 

[Loyal]

Again the players sign the deals... look what Kirk Cousins did, he’s changing the game and other players need to take notice and demand fully guaranteed contracts like he did. If I was an owner and the players kept taking bad contracts why in the world would I just start handing out fully guaranteed ones when they keep taking less, it’s all bargaining.

I am not advocating for either side...But the truth is about Cousins is that he was highly sought after, and even then it was a rare contract in the NFL. All the other more common guys will never get that deal (never even have the chance at such a deal), so you pointed towards an outlier to prove your argument. Doesn't fly, in my opinion.

 

[Merlin]

I agree with the players. They should be paid a percentage of the revenue - if the revenue increases, their pay should increase. We watch for the players, not the owners. They shouldn't get ripped off just because they already get payed a lot.

I'd like to see the majority of players get raises. Not just the elite players and hard to find positions. Some guys are always going to get their payday and it'll take care of itself, but I'd like to see the owners raise the minimum wage in the NFL for the non-early round guys on their first contracts to make teams spread more of that money around.

 

[Loyal]

I'd like to see the majority of players get raises. Not just the elite players and hard to find positions. Some guys are always going to get their payday and it'll take care of itself, but I'd like to see the owners raise the minimum wage in the NFL for the non-early round guys on their first contracts to make teams spread more of that money around.

I don't know..I like the idea of the common NFL player getting more, but I wonder if there just too many players on a team, and a whole bunch of guys waiting to take their place if the opportunity came? There are great players who get the cash...The moderate - good players can be replaced with new guys every year, imo...Kills leverage?

 

[Merlin]

I don't know..I like the idea of the common NFL player getting more, but I wonder if there just too many players on a team, and a whole bunch of guys waiting to take their place if the opportunity came? There are great players who get the cash...The moderate - good players can be replaced with new guys every year, imo...Kills leverage?

It would just mean a higher percentage of the available pie goes to the average players. Cap goes up, and so does the high end pay for the best players. But the little guys get forgotten IMO, and they're a big chunk of the league.

 

[Loyal]

It would just mean a higher percentage of the available pie goes to the average players. Cap goes up, and so does the high end pay for the best players. But the little guys get forgotten IMO, and they're a big chunk of the league.

Part of the reason they are forgotten is because the elimination of the rookie (huge) contracts like 1st rounders used to get. They are all cheaper now, so decent veterans are getting dumped for the new guys....a perverse unseen development that no one saw coming..

 

[Merlin]

Part of the reason they are forgotten is because the elimination of the rookie (huge) contracts like 1st rounders used to get. They are all cheaper now, so decent veterans are getting dumped for the new guys....a perverse unseen development that no one saw coming..

Yeah but if you raise the floor on the min contract, I would hope it would even that particular playing field too. If you're a min contract vet, team can hopefully look at you objectively for a given role without that disparity brought on by the first contract types being so much cheaper.

And the top guys still get lion's share type money, but not quite as much.

 

[Loyal]

Yeah but if you raise the floor on the min contract, I would hope it would even that particular playing field too. If you're a min contract vet, team can hopefully look at you objectively for a given role without that disparity brought on by the first contract types being so much cheaper.

And the top guys still get lion's share type money, but not quite as much.

Could work I guess...If the owners are willing

 

[SteezyEndo]

Tired of this contract situation narrative. What the hell is the contract solution? So we can bury it, and end these never ending threads. There has got to be a solution right?