Oh no way. If you noticed, never did I include a 2027 1st in my trade proposals. That's just about off the table.
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Oh no way. If you noticed, never did I include a 2027 1st in my trade proposals. That's just about off the table.
Right. I noticed that, which is why your proposal was unrealistic. It wasn't enough comp per the trade charts.
And you shouldn't look to dump Verse (or Fiske, for that matter, for people who have given up on him), because it normally takes three years for linemen - both offensive and defensive - to really show who they are. It took three years for Agent Zero to really show out (with his previous two years being good, but not exceptional). It took Turner three years to really turn into the lynchpin for our defensive line. It took three years for Warren McClendon to take the right tackle job like taking a bull by the horns.
I'm not ready to dump anyone, especially not Verse, for a running back when we already have a good room of them (K-Will, Corum, Hunter). I don't care how good Love is; he's still only a running back.
Now, trading Young for a 2027 first? Absolutely, I'd do it, and take someone like Bain (if he falls) or Faulk/Mesidor/Howell (after a trade down), but that's more because Young will be an older edge rusher (twenty-nine and close to thirty at the end of his rookie contract) and likely unsigned compared to Nacua, Turner, and our offensive linemen (Avila/Dotson/McClendon/Shelton).
I disagree that it's unrealistic keeping in mind it's not for a QB. 13 + BY gets us up to pick 6 or 7, + Kyren (or his trade comp) gets us closer plus the spare change I referenced which can still be a rather High pick. It can be done if we wanted to.
El Chapo Jr
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Just put some Robitussin on it!.... Well I wouldn't go as far as putting him in DA's category. DA had some pretty fucked up knees that was well documented.
Comparing Love to a no-doubt first-ballot HOFer? That's unfair to Faulk and his accomplishments and Love and his expectations. Love will never reach the heights Faulk did because running backs are heavily devalued in this league, and have been right when Faulk ended his career. S-Jax - and y'all know how much I love him and fate knows he's my favorite sports player period - never made an impact to our win/loss record because running backs simply don't mean as much as people think they do.
And before anyone wants to bring up Seattle, they won on the strength of their defense, JSN having a breakout year, Darnold being kept upright by an improved O-line, and a timely trade for an underrated wide receiver on a struggling team (Shaheed), not because of Kenneth Walker. He and Charbonneau helped, but they were far from the main reasons why Seattle won the Super Bowl; in fact, Charbonneau wasn't even playing in the last two games of the Super Bowl season.
With all of the rotations, all of the injuries and overall wear and tear, the fact that Love will likely be gone by the end of five years or will require a contract that will take him through his declining years (and that's implying he's as good as you say he'll be), all of everything that can derail a running back's career, you think that spending the highest pick we've had in fate knows how long on a running back - in a league where the idea of a bellcow back leading a team to a Super Bowl has never been so far away, and to add to a running back group that, in all honesty, doesn't need another running back - is a wise decision?
Well Steven Jackson for all his greatness was no Marshall Faulk taking receiving into account, not to mention the crap teams he was on compared to Marshall. Love also being an elite receiver is why I gave him the Faulk comp.
Recent top 5-10 running backs Saquon Barkley and Christian McCaffrey were drafted by BAD teams and had no impact, then went to GOOD teams and won a Super Bowl and came within a hair of winning a Super Bowl respectively. Love would be joining a GOOD team IMMEDIATELY on a Rookie Contract to boot. The possibilities are endless.
Barkley and McCaffrey also being good "receiver " backs a la Love.
Yeah. Just comparing how much I loved the receiver and how it killed me that he couldn't stay healthy lol
Barkley and McCaffrey are at the very least, Hall of Very Good, if not borderline HOFers. Again, that's even assuming that Love is as good as they are. To compare him to Faulk in any way is distasteful to Faulk, his accomplishments, and the hype around Love. You have no idea that he'll even be that good, and to say he will is presumptuous.
Running backs get injured a lot. Running backs get wear and tear. Running backs can be ineffective. Running backs don't matter as much as you think they do.
San Fran won with more than just McCaffrey (prime Deebo, Aiyuk in his prime, a great all-around defense, and a rookie quarterback whose weaknesses weren't figured out at the time) and the overall cost - giving up valuable picks, seeing McCaffrey injured a ton and likely declining - made it a fool's cost.
Philly won on the strength of an elite defense, an elite O-line, and Hurts having more than just Barkley as a weapon (or do A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith, and Dallas Goedert no longer count?). Now they're paying Barkley out the ass through his declining years, and they're having to cut valuable roster players because of it.
Running backs are useful, but they're also the single most expendable roster position - and you're wanting us to trade Jared fucking Verse for the opportunity to draft a running back who might be good. The possibility for failure on multiple fronts is just as endless.
I don't know that anyone has given up on Fiske. I'm the only here that I know of that has said I'd like an upgrade to him because he's not good on run defense.
Hopefully, he takes a huge jump in year 3, but even if he does, it's doubtful it would be in the run D category. Nevertheless, a huge jump in pass rushing production could make him a desired extension candidate. As of now, I don't think he is.
Relax, Verse was in my second scenario not my preferred one. And to say the Philadelphia Eagles would have won the 2024 Super Bowl without Saquon Barkley as the addition is imcorrect. Same with your 49ers scenario, McCaffrey opened it up for all those other guys. There's something you are missing regarding impact running backs. You are parroting the same tired line of running backs being expendable and not important. This guy Love will be a generational running back.
WestCoastRam
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I like to ask myself and see what other people think about where the top 3 WRs would go compared to the last 2-3 classes.
These trade proposals for Love are wild lol. Kyren is averaging 1232 rushing yards, 12 rushing TDs, and 4.6 yards per carry over the past three years. He's also a tremendous pass protector. Y'all must think Love is a blend of Barry Sanders and Marshall Faulk to be proposing these trades. I'd be happy to draft Love if he falls, but don't go too crazy over the shiny, new toy.
I ask because you're either overvaluing what our players are worth or undervaluing what it costs to trade up per the trade chart.
Let's say you're right that 13 + BY gets you to 6 (that puts BY's value at pick 45 which isn't unreasonable.) If KW is worth a late 3rd, that only gets you to pick 5. Even a 2027 1st won't be enough to move from 6 to 2.
Per the trade chart, it takes a lot to move from 6 to 2. We won't get there without dismantling the team.
Other than Tate, probably late 1st to 2nd round. Tyson would be a high pick in any draft except for his injury history.
