Given that we currently have a WR who put up 1,715 receiving yards last year . . .But, it’s the biggest, shiniest toy we could have in a very long time.
Given that we currently have a WR who put up 1,715 receiving yards last year . . .But, it’s the biggest, shiniest toy we could have in a very long time.
Because they aren't as important as they used to be. They haven't been important since Faulk retired. Name ONE team that won a Super Bowl that had a good running back that won a Super Bowl that didn't have an elite defense backing them up. Name ONE running back that carried a team to a Super Bowl title where the quarterback had only him as a weapon. Name ONE running back that dominated on a good team and won a Super Bowl without a top five O-line. You won't be able to because that team and that running back never existed.Relax, Verse was in my second scenario not my preferred one. And to say the Philadelphia Eagles would have won the 2024 Super Bowl without Saquon Barkley as the addition is imcorrect. Same with your 49ers scenario, McCaffrey opened it up for all those other guys. There's something you are missing regarding impact running backs. You are parroting the same tired line of running backs being expendable and not important. This guy Love will be a generational running back.
There's a very real possibility he gets to 7, not sure why you are absolutely convinced there is no way. Titans have bigger fish to fry and have 2 solid backs. Paying a back what you have to picking them at #3 would immediately make him one of the highest paid backs in the league. They certainly could take him, far from a guarantee.I can fully understand not wanting to make the trade up but just know that he is not getting to 7, dosent get past 4, IMO. And I'm not so sure it's "the farm." Do you know for sure Rams are planning on extending BY? And Verse is starting to give me Kevin Carter vibes. And thats NOT a compliment. But let me be clear, not looking to dump Verse.
Love is an IMPACT RB. Think Faulk, Saquon.
Again, I fully understand anyone not wanting to pay this price. I'm kind of just thinking out loud because I think if we got Love we would truly be GSOT again. That's with no disrespect to Kyren and Corum.
I ask because you're either overvaluing what our players are worth or undervaluing what it costs to trade up per the trade chart.
Let's say you're right that 13 + BY gets you to 6 (that puts BY's value at pick 45 which isn't unreasonable.) If KW is worth a late 3rd, that only gets you to pick 5. Even a 2027 1st won't be enough to move from 6 to 2.
Per the trade chart, it takes a lot to move from 6 to 2. We won't get there without dismantling the team.
Because they aren't as important as they used to be. They haven't been important since Faulk retired. Name ONE team that won a Super Bowl that had a good running back that won a Super Bowl that didn't have an elite defense backing them up. Name ONE running back that carried a team to a Super Bowl title where the quarterback had only him as a weapon. Name ONE running back that dominated on a good team and won a Super Bowl without a top five O-line. You won't be able to because that team and that running back never existed.
Kansas City never had a special running back when they won their Super Bowls. The Broncos? Paved the way with their defense. Ravens? Defense again. The Cheatriots and the Bucs? They didn't have that elite running back either. Seattle? Won a Super Bowl with Charbonneau out against us and New England, but they didn't need Charbonneau because JSN would consistently pop off, and their defense was the best in the game. Philly had the single best O-line in the game led by a HOF center and future HOF right tackle, an elite left tackle and guards, elite wide receivers, one of the better tight ends in the game, a complete No-Fly secondary, and a talented defensive line led by one of the most gifted - if mercurial - defensive tackles in the game today; Barkley was merely the cherry on top of the sundae.
HELL, WE didn't have a special running back when we won, unless Cam Akers suddenly counts! We had a talented defense, one of the greatest QBs in the game today, and Kupp at his utmost prime. Running game? WHAT running game?
Aside from all of that, you, me, and everyone else have absolutely no idea if he will be generational or not. He has the tools to be special, but no running back is immune to wear and tear, if not outright injury, and the sheer cost to take Love would make us a worse team than we currently are.
Why? Because there isn't any scenario where Verse + #13 + 2027 first + some other asset we'd hate to lose, if not even more, is not on the table. No, that's where it starts the conversation, and believe me, trading up to #2 - because it won't be #3; the Cardinals aren't going to trade with us and get them out of position to get a top-flight asset, and that's if they don't take Love themselves, and #4 (Titans) is where Love's slide ends. Also don't forget that K.C. and other teams are already sniffing around for a trade and a lot of those teams have far more to deal than we could reasonably part with - K.C. has two firsts in this class + more picks, one of which is higher than what we're offering - for Love would take a hell of a lot more than you're assuming it would.
We're already in a position to grab a talented player already at a position we actually need (i.e., wide receiver, edge rusher or O-line). We're in a position to trade down to accumulate more assets and still get a solid player at a position of need. We don't fucking need Love when we already have a solid, stable group of running backs. At the very most, we spend a sixth or seventh on a back, if that, and that's all we need. K-Will isn't some bum we picked up off the streets; he's been a top ten back. Corum is one of the best backups in the game today. Hunter still hasn't shown what he's capable of, and he will.
We don't need to trade up and give up everything for one single player at a position we don't need!
Same trade chart. The difference is, you may pay a premium when moving up to target a QB versus a weak draft like this one, but generally the trades are still within +/- 10%.Check if you are using the trade chart when trading up for a Quarterback vs trading up for a Running Back. Because the cost is significantly different. Even if what you are saying is right, I am in the ballpark.
There's a very real possibility he gets to 7, not sure why you are absolutely convinced there is no way. Titans have bigger fish to fry and have 2 solid backs. Paying a back what you have to picking them at #3 would immediately make him one of the highest paid backs in the league. They certainly could take him, far from a guarantee.
Then we can start talking 2026 or 2027 2nd Rounders. But McVay or Snead would have to be completely infatuated in Love to do this. Not completely out of the question but probably less than likely.Same trade chart. The difference is, you may pay a premium when moving up to target a QB versus a weak dtaft like this one, but generally the trades are still within +/- 10%.
You're in the ballpark to get to 6. You're nowhere close to get to 2.
Yeah, but we’ve had that before and Love looks like Gurley. Don’t get me wrong I love Kyren, but the bigger back who is also adapt at catching the football & a stonewall in pass protection make my heart go pitter patter.Given that we currently have a WR who put up 1,715 receiving yards last year . . .
We already have a great running back corps. What do you NOT get about that? Kyren Williams is not just chopped liver; he's been a top ten back for the past three years. Corum just broke out as one of the best backups in the league as far as advanced stats. Hunter was just drafted in the fourth round, should be solid as a returner and teams, and should get even more opportunities.You are completely missing the point that adding a great running back to an already great team with a great franchise quarterback with great wide receivers and with a well above average to great offensive line is the only equation here. Not the straw man argument gobbledygook that you are selling.
We already have a great running back corps. What do you NOT get about that? Kyren Williams is not just chopped liver; he's been a top ten back for the past three years. Corum just broke out as one of the best backups in the league as far as advanced stats. Hunter was just drafted in the fourth round, should be solid as a returner and teams, and should get even more opportunities.
We can win with K-Will, Corum, and Hunter; hell, we have won with K-Will numerous times. We do not need to "upgrade" with Love. I won't say a word if he makes it to #13 and he's the pick, as unlikely as that scenario is, but there's no way in fucking Hades I give up valuable assets to trade up to #2 to get him when it's the only way we are getting him, not when giving up players makes us worse, not when giving up current picks (like the second and third round picks we'd have to give up to get Love) gives us less depth to play with, not when future picks makes us unable to secure that potential franchise QB in 2027.
And all that for a hope and a prayer? For a back that you are hyping up to ridiculous degrees, comparing him to a HOFer. For someone who may very well not be that great running back you hope he is, when you already have a great running back in K-Will and a great group behind him. The old saying "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." fits here. I get that you like Love, I get it! But what you're suggesting just isn't fucking feasible in the slightest.
Yeah, but we’ve had that before and Love looks like Gurley. Don’t get me wrong I love Kyren, but the bigger back who is also adapt at catching the football & a stonewall in pass protection make my heart go pitter patter.
The fact that you even mentioned he could make it to 13 and be the pick just shows that you don't know what Jeremiah Love....IS.
Gurley was 100% on their level. If not for his knee he would be above AP IMO.And just think, you're underachieving Love with the Gurley comparison. He's Adrian Peterson, Marshall Faulk, Walter Payton. Emmitt Smith maybe.
Gurley was 100% on their level. If not for his knee he would be above AP IMO.
I said IF. IF, as in IF he's there, and we take him at #13 if he's there - however completely unlikely it is; I said in an earlier post that he's not getting past four - I won't complain in the slighest. Not that he would be there. I know exactly whom he is and exactly what he would bring to the table of a team that could feasibly select him (i.e., it would not be us. Not then. Not now. Not ever.).
I never said "could", I never said "would", I never said he'd be at #13 and in fact expressed the exact opposite. I never said any of that.
My literal only issue with your posts is that you're wanting to trade the fucking moon for a running back prospect when none of us know the future and how good, exactly, he's going to be and for how long if he is.
LOL, why even say "if?" "If" Mendoza is there at 13, take him.
Or we could trade up to #1 to get Mendoza in your scenario, right? That's about as farfetched as us trading the farm to select Love - your scenario, by the way, not mine.
It's not happening because if he really IS the lovechild of Marshall Faulk (again, your words, not mine), WHY would any team trade down with us if they knew that they could have that, especially in a weak draft class?
You can have your draft crush all you want. I've had my own. But to double down on your proposal and deny logic even when it's staring at you and screaming at you right in your face only makes you look like a fool.