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Some of those are pretty wild. Chicago doesn't actually surprise me. But Joe freaking Namath? Brian Sipe? Warren Moon? That's brutal!
 

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I grew up near Shea; and watching football games there could be brutal because of the wind.

Classic old time baseball stadium. 60% closed but about 40% open, with lower bleachers and even more wide-open in centerfield.

Very few buildings around the stadium to block wind. In the winter, the wind would catch in the stadium, and just whip around and beat the crap out of you.
Are you a Mets fan by any chance?
 

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Are you a Mets fan by any chance?
More of a Yankee fan when I was young, which was kind of rare for a kid from Queens in the late-1960's / early-'70s when the Mets were the far better team. For some reason, I went with the underdog; and back then, that was the Yankees.

However, it was never a problem for me to root for both the Yankees and Mets. Back then, there was no inter-league play; and for decades, when one team was good, the other was usually bad. Plus my father and most of my family and friends were Mets' fans.

Still love the Game but not MLB as much anymore. Just worn-out over a period of years.
Between performance enhancing drugs (unregulated for years), free agency and no real salary cap (again, for years), the bull-shit 60-game COVID season (the bare minimum for players to get 100% of their salaries), the Commissioner and League being either unable or flat-out refusing to punish a championship team (Houston) that admitted to cheating and Analytics (UGH!), I don't watch very much baseball.

I actually prefer the NFL off-season to MLB and the NBA (many of the same complaints).
 

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More of a Yankee fan when I was young, which was kind of rare for a kid from Queens in the late-1960's / early-'70s when the Mets were the far better team. For some reason, I went with the underdog; and back then, that was the Yankees.

However, it was never a problem for me to root for both the Yankees and Mets. Back then, there was no inter-league play; and for decades, when one team was good, the other was usually bad. Plus my father and most of my family and friends were Mets' fans.

Still love the Game but not MLB as much anymore. Just worn-out over a period of years.
Between performance enhancing drugs (unregulated for years), free agency and no real salary cap (again, for years), the bull-shit 60-game COVID season (the bare minimum for players to get 100% of their salaries), the Commissioner and League being either unable or flat-out refusing to punish a championship team (Houston) that admitted to cheating and Analytics (UGH!), I don't watch very much baseball.

I actually prefer the NFL off-season to MLB and the NBA (many of the same complaints).
I have basically stopped watching most of baseball and just follow the Dodgers for the most part because of what you stated.
 

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I have basically stopped watching most of baseball and just follow the Dodgers for the most part because of what you stated.
Unfortunately, the Dodgers and their ability to over-pay, are part of the problem.

Every team has a chance; and games still need to be played. However, in my opinion, Major League Baseball is simply NOT a competitive game. Big markets and wealthier teams always had some advantage but it has become too extreme.

Hell, the world champion Dodgers signed or re-signed three closers this off-season. THREE!

About a decade ago, the Yankess wanted a veteran back-up catcher. They signed three experienced back-ups in one off-season ... Each to a $1M-plus contract (high amount at that time). Many other teams couldn't afford to sign one back-up catcher for that much money. The Yankees then ate all three contracts because none of those veteran back-ups made the roster!

I used to LOVE Baseball ... so I get a little heated. I will take a pill(s), have a drink and stop now.
 

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Unfortunately, the Dodgers and their ability to over-pay, are part of the problem.

Every team has a chance; and games still need to be played. However, in my opinion, Major League Baseball is simply NOT a competitive game. Big markets and wealthier teams always had some advantage but it has become too extreme.

Hell, the world champion Dodgers signed or re-signed three closers this off-season. THREE!

About a decade ago, the Yankess wanted a veteran back-up catcher. They signed three experienced back-ups in one off-season ... Each to a $1M-plus contract (high amount at that time). Many other teams couldn't afford to sign one back-up catcher for that much money. The Yankees then ate all three contracts because none of those veteran back-ups made the roster!

I used to LOVE Baseball ... so I get a little heated. I will take a pill(s), have a drink and stop now.
Well they signed two closers but they also signed a top flight pitcher and got the Japanese pitcher because of their stability.

Not sure who you considered a closer that they re-signed. And I have no problem with teams resigning their players.

But they are definitely an embarrassment of riches right now. Just like the Yankees were for years especially in the 70s.

The Dodgers are definitely Yankees west right now.
 

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Well they signed two closers but they also signed a top flight pitcher and got the Japanese pitcher because of their stability.

Not sure who you considered a closer that they re-signed. And I have no problem with teams resigning their players.

Tanner Scott and Kirby Yates; plus, I was counting the re-signing of Blake Treinen, who will likely just be a set-up-man, but was dominant in the post-season. Half the teams in baseball don't have one comparable option to close. Plus, they have Phillips and Kopech, who both currently have injury concerns.

I feel the same way about the Yankees and current-Mets.

My point is simply what I perceive as a lack of competitive balance.
For me, that makes success (i.e., winning) a little less impressive and satisfying.
 

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Tanner Scott and Kirby Yates; plus, I was counting the re-signing of Blake Treinen, who will likely just be a set-up-man, but was dominant in the post-season. Half the teams in baseball don't have one comparable option to close. Plus, they have Phillips and Kopech, who both currently have injury concerns.

I feel the same way about the Yankees and current-Mets.

My point is simply what I perceive as a lack of competitive balance.
For me, that makes success (i.e., winning) a little less impressive and satisfying.
There are about 10 teams that are competitive most years. The others can be competitive for a year or two and then they drop out again when they have to re-sign their players.

Dodgers
Yankees
Baltimore (lately)
Red Sox
Tampa Bay (not sure how they do that each year with limited funds)
Houston
Mets
Atlanta
Philadelphia
St Louis

Cubs sometimes are very competitive
 

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Unfortunately, the Dodgers and their ability to over-pay, are part of the problem.

Every team has a chance; and games still need to be played. However, in my opinion, Major League Baseball is simply NOT a competitive game. Big markets and wealthier teams always had some advantage but it has become too extreme.

Hell, the world champion Dodgers signed or re-signed three closers this off-season. THREE!

About a decade ago, the Yankess wanted a veteran back-up catcher. They signed three experienced back-ups in one off-season ... Each to a $1M-plus contract (high amount at that time). Many other teams couldn't afford to sign one back-up catcher for that much money. The Yankees then ate all three contracts because none of those veteran back-ups made the roster!

I used to LOVE Baseball ... so I get a little heated. I will take a pill(s), have a drink and stop now.
Hahaha, honestly this is exactly why I have never been a huge baseball fan at all. The competitive balance is non-existent due to some teams just having way more to spend. All the small market teams are essentially farm teams. Everyone knows that when a small market team hits on a prospect, that player is as good as gone once they reach free agency. I just can't support that sport unfortunately due to that.
 

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More of a Yankee fan when I was young, which was kind of rare for a kid from Queens in the late-1960's / early-'70s when the Mets were the far better team. For some reason, I went with the underdog; and back then, that was the Yankees.

However, it was never a problem for me to root for both the Yankees and Mets. Back then, there was no inter-league play; and for decades, when one team was good, the other was usually bad. Plus my father and most of my family and friends were Mets' fans.

Still love the Game but not MLB as much anymore. Just worn-out over a period of years.
Between performance enhancing drugs (unregulated for years), free agency and no real salary cap (again, for years), the bull-shit 60-game COVID season (the bare minimum for players to get 100% of their salaries), the Commissioner and League being either unable or flat-out refusing to punish a championship team (Houston) that admitted to cheating and Analytics (UGH!), I don't watch very much baseball.

I actually prefer the NFL off-season to MLB and the NBA (many of the same complaints).
I’m a lifelong Yankees fan. I started in 1973, when I was young (6), they weren’t very good, and I didn’t know anything about them, except that I liked their uniforms on the baseball cards.

I love MLB baseball. I can’t give it up, but I do agree that it’s it is a mess for all of the reasons that you stated.
 

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I’m a lifelong Yankees fan. I started in 1973, when I was young (6), they weren’t very good, and I didn’t know anything about them, except that I liked their uniforms on the baseball cards.

I love MLB baseball. I can’t give it up, but I do agree that it’s it is a mess for all of the reasons that you stated.
And then in 1976 they made the world series in 4 of the next 6 seasons
 

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I’m a lifelong Yankees fan. I started in 1973, when I was young (6), they weren’t very good, and I didn’t know anything about them, except that I liked their uniforms on the baseball cards.

I love MLB baseball. I can’t give it up, but I do agree that it’s it is a mess for all of the reasons that you stated.
‘73!
Thurman Munson, Bobby Murcer and Roy White.
 

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And then in 1976 they made the world series in 4 of the next 6 seasons
Yes. They were not good when I chose them as my team. It was the same year that I chose the Rams. Not so coincidentally it was my first year collecting sports cards. I knew more about the cards than I did either sport at that point. I didn’t watch either back then. I really didn’t start watching baseball, or football until 1980. I was too busy building models, playing outside, etc….
 

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‘73!
Thurman Munson, Bobby Murcer and Roy White.
Thurman was my favorite. He looked the toughest looking SOB of all the Yankees cards. I didn’t really start watching on WPIX until the 80’s. I was fully hooked once Mattingly showed up. Once WPIX was no longer available I bought a GE Super radio and listened to most games that way, despite the static. Tommy Hutton and Hank Greenwald were very underrated announcers.
 

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And then in 1976 they made the world series in 4 of the next 6 seasons
Well Steinbrenner purchased the Team in 1973; and the world changed.

He pushed the envelope on free agency and allowed / encouraged GM Gabe Paul to make trades.

Nettles and, later, Chambliss from Cleveland. Bonds for Murcer; and then (one year later) they traded Barry's dad for cornerstone players Rivers and Figueroa. Acquired Randolph and Dock Ellis for Doc Medich (who really was a doctor!). Then Ellis went to Oakland for Mike Torrez. Piniella from K.C., Dent from the White Sox. Hunter, Jackson and Goose via free agency.

That was all within a four-year period!