2013 NFL Draft/Prospect Discussion thread

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2013 NFL Draft: Shawn Williams - DB - Georgia

Potential SS prospect for Rams in 2013 NFL Draft?

Shawn Williams - DB - Georgia

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[fearsomefour]

The real question with Austin becomes is there a true position for him in the NFL? Is he a good enough receiver to be a receiver alone or play wr as his primary receiver? If Amendola and Gibson leave the Rams have to replace a large % of their passing offense....and hopefully improve on it. Austin garnered a lot of yards out of the backfield. Players who come into the league of split position or "slash" sort of players dont have a big history of doing amazing things. What percentage of the Rams offense would the OC being willing to dedicate to an "Austin" package? The NFL, like all pro sports, is a league of specialists. Im not saying that a guy like Austin wont excel, he is pretty clearly one of the most athletic guys in the draft. However, for every Reggie Bush (who has underachieved in my book) there is a Todd Kinchen....a guy who was supposed to be a multi-position threat guy who is just average at several things. What I am trying to say in a very long winded way is that the Rams would really have to define a roll for Austin if they were to draft him. How close is he to being an NFL ready WR? If the guy is seen as a kick returner, a project at WR and a guy to run several times a games out of the backfield, 16 is way too high for that.

Saying all of that, I am now down on Austin. In fact I think he is the most exciting player in this draft. The thing that is hard to determine from outside of the coaches meeting room is how it is perceived a player would fit into a system and fit the personel around him.

It will be interesting to see where Austin ends up.

 

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The real question with Austin becomes is there a true position for him in the NFL? Is he a good enough receiver to be a receiver alone or play wr as his primary receiver? If Amendola and Gibson leave the Rams have to replace a large % of their passing offense....and hopefully improve on it. Austin garnered a lot of yards out of the backfield. Players who come into the league of split position or "slash" sort of players dont have a big history of doing amazing things. What percentage of the Rams offense would the OC being willing to dedicate to an "Austin" package? The NFL, like all pro sports, is a league of specialists. Im not saying that a guy like Austin wont excel, he is pretty clearly one of the most athletic guys in the draft. However, for every Reggie Bush (who has underachieved in my book) there is a Todd Kinchen....a guy who was supposed to be a multi-position threat guy who is just average at several things. What I am trying to say in a very long winded way is that the Rams would really have to define a roll for Austin if they were to draft him. How close is he to being an NFL ready WR? [hil]If the guy is seen as a kick returner, a project at WR and a guy to run several times a games out of the backfield, 16 is way too high for that.[/hil]

Saying all of that, I am now down on Austin. In fact I think he is the most exciting player in this draft. The thing that is hard to determine from outside of the coaches meeting room is how it is perceived a player would fit into a system and fit the personel around him.

It will be interesting to see where Austin ends up.

That's an interesting take. I wonder what kind of production people tie to draft slots. Meaning, how many TDs would justify taking a guy at 16? Or, how many snaps per game would a guy drafted at 16 need to be in on? What if the guy is in on all snaps, is a great TE, but really only gets the ball about 10 times per game (and that's a high number for a TE). Would 16 be okay? 22?

I'm still high on taking the best TE in the draft and improving the passing game THAT way. But, also, I'm pretty high on Austin as well. He, too, would improve the offense quite a bit, IMO, and would solve our multi-year problem in the return game immediately. And if Dolamite isn't re-signed, then there's a gaping hole at slot receiver. Austin would fill that nicely. So, if DA is gone and Austin is sitting there at 16, would need become a factor and make the choice easier? Lots of things to consider with a player like TA.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I don't think I'd take Austin at 16 at all, there's going to be other better talent there to take, it wouldn't be smart. Even 22 is a bit of a reach, but it would be understandable, especially if Amendola leaves. If Amendola stays, as much as I love Austin, I wouldn't take him. Unless he somehow slipped to 46, then I would.

 

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Keenan Allen won't work out at NFL Scouting Combine
Keenan Allen will not work out at the NFL Scouting Combine this week, his agent told NFL Network on Wednesday.
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J.T. Johnson, who represents the Cal wide receiver, said Allen will be re-evaluated by Dr. James Andrews for a second-grade posterior cruciate ligament sprain suffered during the season.

Allen and his agent made the decision not to work out. He could work out, but they are being cautious.

Allen, currently listed as NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock's No. 2 wide receiver in the draft, will run routes on his March 14 pro day at Cal.

The highly regarded wideout also will have a personal pro day the first week of April, with the date to be determined.

 

[DR RAM]

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Keenan Allen won't work out at NFL Scouting Combine
Keenan Allen will not work out at the NFL Scouting Combine this week, his agent told NFL Network on Wednesday.
Jeremiah: The workout wonders
Who will be the biggest star of this year's combine? Daniel Jeremiah picks 10 prospects expected to wow in Indianapolis. More ...

J.T. Johnson, who represents the Cal wide receiver, said Allen will be re-evaluated by Dr. James Andrews for a second-grade posterior cruciate ligament sprain suffered during the season.

Allen and his agent made the decision not to work out. He could work out, but they are being cautious.

Allen, currently listed as NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock's No. 2 wide receiver in the draft, will run routes on his March 14 pro day at Cal.

The highly regarded wideout also will have a personal pro day the first week of April, with the date to be determined.

Not even in my top 3 anyway. This will hurt him, IMO.

 

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Keenan Allen not going to work out at combine
By Bruce Feldman | Senior College Football Columnist
February 20, 2013 8:35 am ET

Cal's Keenan Allen, projected by many NFL Draft analysts as a first-round pick in April's draft, will not work out at this week's combine in Indianapolis, his agent J.T. Johnson confirmed to CBSSports.com Wednesday morning.

The 6-3, 212-pound Allen, whom NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock compared to Baltimore Ravens star Anquan Boldin, is Cal's all-time leader in receptions. Allen caught 205 passes for 2,570 yards and 17 touchdowns in three seasons in Berkeley despite the Bears struggles in the passing game. Last season, Allen missed three games due to what had been deemed a Grade 2 posterior cruciate ligament tear in his left knee. NFL teams have been eager to gauge Allen's speed and were hopeful to see him run the 40 in Indianapolis, but they'll have to wait about six more weeks to do so.

Allen had some swelling in his knee while he was training. He went to get an MRI and saw noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews, who diagnosed Allen as having a Grade 2 PCL strain. According to Allen's agent, Andrews told the 20-year-old wideout that his injury should not ever require surgical intervention.

Allen is scheduled to have a follow-up exam with Andrews on March 11. Allen will continue to do rehab to strengthen his quad muscles while the knee heals, and he will run routes only at Cal's pro day March 14, Johnson said.

Allen will have a separate pro day in the first week of April where any team that wants to see him run the 40 or test him in the vertical or do any physical drills can would be able to do so.

 

[fearsomefour]

"he guy is seen as a kick returner, a project at WR and a guy to run several times a games out of the backfield, 16 is way too high for that.

Saying all of that, I am now down on Austin. In fact I think he is the most exciting player in this draft. The thing that is hard to determine from outside of the coaches meeting room is how it is perceived a player would fit into a system and fit the personel around him.

It will be interesting to see where Austin ends up.

That's an interesting take. I wonder what kind of production people tie to draft slots. Meaning, how many TDs would justify taking a guy at 16? Or, how many snaps per game would a guy drafted at 16 need to be in on? What if the guy is in on all snaps, is a great TE, but really only gets the ball about 10 times per game (and that's a high number for a TE). Would 16 be okay? 22?""

This kind of lends itself to what I was saying. Drafting a player that high you better have a plan and fit for him. Someone like Warmack or Cooper, it is obvious, they would be on the field every offensive play. A guy that projects as a starting S or OLB would be on the field most plays in a worst case (lets say a LB that is a 2 down player). I was not saying that I think Austin isent worthy of a high pick, but, who drafts him needs to have a defined roll for him so he doesnt turn into a glorified kick returner. That is the tough part of all this draft business....being able to project how to fit guys in and what their ceiling is. Everyone in the league was high on Jimmy Kennedy, no one drafted D'marco Farr.

To your example of a blocking TE, if his roll was to be that, a dominating blocking TE and he saw action 60% of O snaps, that would be a successful pick even if he never scored. If he was drafted to be a blocker, a downfield pass receiver and run TE sweeps (or whatever) and he turned out to be just a great blocker, it would be a bad pick. The idea of drafting a guy because he is athletic and saying (Im not saying YOUR saying this) "we will find a spot for him" seems a bad way to go about it to me.

 

[shaunpinney]

I hope we stay away from WR's in the first round I'd like to see us pick up a FA tried and tested WR (instead of Smith, who was just using up a roster spot in 2012). But Givens was coming into his own and I'm really hoping that Quick is going to be on the field more this season.

think we'll probably go for:

#16 - Chase Warmack (OG, North Carolina)
#22 - Jon Cooper (OG, North Carolina) / Kenny Vaccaro (FS, Texas)

Round 2: from:
Tavon Austin - if he's still on the board (WR, West Virginia);
Upshaw (DE, Alabama);
Ertz (TE, Stanford);
Mike Adams (OT, Ohio);
Dallas Thomas (OT, Tennessee);
DJ Fluker (OT, Alabama)

Round 3
Jelani Jenkins (OLB, Florida)
Baccari Rambo (FS, Georgia);
Kyle Long (OT, Oregon);
Da'Rick Rogers (WR, Tennessee);
Brandon Jenkins (OLB, Florida)

Round 4
Josh Boyd (DT, Miss. State)
Zeke Motta (FS, Notre Dame)

Round 5
William Gholston (DE, Michigan)
Duke Williams (SS, Nevada)

Round 6
Jeff Baca (G, UCLA)
Braden Hansen (GG, BYU)

Round 7
Rodney Smith (WR, FSU)
Christine Michael (RB, Texas A&M)
Theo Riddick (RB, Notre Dame)

 

[fearsomefour]

That is major "best case" scenario that Warmack and Vaccarro fall to the Rams. If either one is there it is a no brainer in my opinion to draft them. I would be surprised if they either one falls that far. Things become a lot less clear if they are both gone. I dont think Ertz falls to 46 or whereever we are in the second round either. If they can grab Warmack and Vaccarro in the first that would be fantastic and improve the team a ton immediatly.

 

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2013 NFL Draft: Dallas Thomas - OL - Tennessee

Potential OL prospect for the Rams in this year's draft

Dallas Thomas - OL - Tennessee

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[bluecoconuts]

If we draft Warmack there's also the option to have Dahl play RT. Two years ago he did a pretty good job, but I don't know how he would do for a full season. But say Rok is able to play the LG spot (which he should), Warmack takes RG, and then Dahl can take RT allowing Snead to focus on playmakers for Sam and more playmakers on defense.

 

[Angry Ram]

Combine...can't wait to see which lineman is better suited b/c he has 33 and a half inch arms and the other guy has 3 inch arms. I know some ppl love it but its not that important.

 

[shaunpinney]

That is major "best case" scenario that Warmack and Vaccarro fall to the Rams. If either one is there it is a no brainer in my opinion to draft them. I would be surprised if they either one falls that far. Things become a lot less clear if they are both gone. I dont think Ertz falls to 46 or whereever we are in the second round either. If they can grab Warmack and Vaccarro in the first that would be fantastic and improve the team a ton immediatly.

Definitely a best case scenario, which is why I've given options, I see us taking either Warmack or Vaccarro in R1, but draft day is its own machine and I for one am excited! Snead and Fisher did a good job last off-season

 

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If we draft Warmack there's also the option to have Dahl play RT. Two years ago he did a pretty good job, but I don't know how he would do for a full season. But say Rok is able to play the LG spot (which he should), Warmack takes RG, and then Dahl can take RT allowing Snead to focus on playmakers for Sam and more playmakers on defense.

That line could bulldose some holes if Rok ever turns out

 

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Mayock is now saying the Chiefs should consider taking Warmack 1st overall. Omfg. I'm not arguing that he's a great prospect, but oh my fuck. :roll:

 

[DR RAM]

Mayock is now saying the Chiefs should consider taking Warmack 1st overall. Omfg. I'm not arguing that he's a great prospect, but oh my fuck. :roll:

I hope they do, it would just roll more good players to us. How much impact can you really make from one guard position? Enough to warrant a number one overall pick?

 

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Steve Wyche and Mark Kriegel debate whether or not drafting a guard with the No. 1 pick would detract from the NFL Draft.

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[Memento]

Mayock is now saying the Chiefs should consider taking Warmack 1st overall. Omfg. I'm not arguing that he's a great prospect, but oh my fuck. :roll:

What. What? What?!

He's a fucking guard, Mayock! All this talk of top ten, let alone number one overall, is bullshit because guards don't ever go that high! If Steve Hutchinson didn't go in the top ten, then there's no chance in hell that Warmack will! Besides, if any non-quarterback is going to go to the Chiefs (which they won't because their fans will fucking riot and burn down the entire fucking city if they pick yet another lineman in the first round), it will be Luke Joeckel, not Chance Warmack!

...Okay. Rant's over.

 

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Don't know if you guys know about this one yet or not, but it is a pretty good site to find videos on a player pretty fast. They have most of em.

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