What Peters means this offseason

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leoram

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Les Snead has always been bold. Trading up for Goff, choosing Donald when DT wasn’t a need position, taking Gurley off the injury season, paying Woods much more than others were willing to spend, and acquiring Watkins despite all the question marks are but a few examples of a fearless GM. Now that he’s pulled off one of his boldest moves to date, the question remains...what’s next?

Lost in the fallout of what Marcus Peters will be able to accomplish for Wade Phillips is what his presence now means to Snead. Cap flexibility vs Johnson is obvious. The greater impact though is what it means to building the rest of the team. For many years, teams like the Patriots have been able to acquire free agents at discount prices because there was a valid perception that players could work for more than a paycheck. The Peters and Watkins moves indicate that volatility isn’t a blackball trait...this staff knows how to manage it. That’s why Randy Moss worked in NE. Perhaps the Rams can do in 2018 what we fans hoped could happen in 2001. Maybe players will get extended a bit more reasonably to stay (Donald, Watkins, Joyner, Sullivan, and eventually Gurley, Goff, etc). Maybe troubled or aging veterans who’s market is low but value is high will prefer this team over other suitors. With this team set at several positions with top flight production, Les can now focus on the four things that remain to be done before kickoff in September.

The structure of Wade’s defense in LA is good but needs more pieces to become great. Up front, with Donald and Brockers anchoring the ends, a top flight run stuffing NT would make this unit an all time great 3/4 unit. It would also help the cover/blitz/chase inside linebackers (Ogletree/Barron) become far less liabilities in the run game. To me, this is priority #1.

The second most pressing issue on this team is OLine depth. By sheer miracle...Saffold and Sullivan survived an entire year of relative health. Whitworth is in the mold of Slater and Pace but even the greats face retirement someday. While the debate rages over whether or not Watkins should be retained...and at what price, the effectiveness of an NFL OLine has a far greater impact on whether or not that offense will thrive.

The third glaring need is a development of replacements for Quinn and Barwin. Both are valued leaders who perform admirably. But neither are what they once were and never likely to be again. Sure, they were good enough last year to produce what the team needed, but the organization cannot afford to ignore that there is a need here that must be addressed soon.

Finally, and frankly Snead’s greatest strength has been the ability to find depth in the latter rounds of the draft and with undrafted free agents. The Eagles of 2017 were the first team I’ve ever witnessed to lose so many star players and still win a championship. The ‘17 Rams were the healthiest they have been in 16 years. The odds are against that happening again in 2018. Perhaps coaching will make the difference but Snead’s most unappreciated task this offseason will be churning the bottom of the roster.

The trade for Peters is making headlines and we all wait to learn the cost. While I share that anxiety, I’m far more curious to learn what Les and Sean have up their sleeves in the four other areas I’ve listed here.
 

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Great post, especially since I agree with all of it!

Let's just start with the obvious impediment you've stated: until we see the cost of the Peters trade, it's hard to zero in on a plan. That being said, your concerns are all in play, regardless of the picks we give up.

I would only add one more item to your list that I think IS important and could have significant impact. If the Rams come out of this draft with a #2 CB, then this secondary could be top notch. Naturally, that would require bringing back both Joyner and NRC.
If the Rams come out of this trade with their 1rst round pick intact, there would be the value @#23--a CB

Should there be a swap with the chiefs and the Rams end up with their 2nd rounder instead, then I think the OL can come into play, and certainly the NT and edge rusher as well.

I too have been impressed with Snead's ability to find quality players outside of the draft and rebuilding depth should be right up his alley.

Getting back to the NT, I would not be surprised if this isn't settled until camp is almost over. I can see the Rams looking to scoop up somebody cut loose from another team to round out the position. I won't be too concerned if it is not addressed with a high pick in the draft.
 

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What a great post. I wish that more of the people that get paid to write about sports could do it this well.
 

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Les Snead has always been bold. Trading up for Goff, choosing Donald when DT wasn’t a need position, taking Gurley off the injury season, paying Woods much more than others were willing to spend, and acquiring Watkins despite all the question marks are but a few examples of a fearless GM. Now that he’s pulled off one of his boldest moves to date, the question remains...what’s next?

Lost in the fallout of what Marcus Peters will be able to accomplish for Wade Phillips is what his presence now means to Snead. Cap flexibility vs Johnson is obvious. The greater impact though is what it means to building the rest of the team. For many years, teams like the Patriots have been able to acquire free agents at discount prices because there was a valid perception that players could work for more than a paycheck. The Peters and Watkins moves indicate that volatility isn’t a blackball trait...this staff knows how to manage it. That’s why Randy Moss worked in NE. Perhaps the Rams can do in 2018 what we fans hoped could happen in 2001. Maybe players will get extended a bit more reasonably to stay (Donald, Watkins, Joyner, Sullivan, and eventually Gurley, Goff, etc). Maybe troubled or aging veterans who’s market is low but value is high will prefer this team over other suitors. With this team set at several positions with top flight production, Les can now focus on the four things that remain to be done before kickoff in September.

The structure of Wade’s defense in LA is good but needs more pieces to become great. Up front, with Donald and Brockers anchoring the ends, a top flight run stuffing NT would make this unit an all time great 3/4 unit. It would also help the cover/blitz/chase inside linebackers (Ogletree/Barron) become far less liabilities in the run game. To me, this is priority #1.

The second most pressing issue on this team is OLine depth. By sheer miracle...Saffold and Sullivan survived an entire year of relative health. Whitworth is in the mold of Slater and Pace but even the greats face retirement someday. While the debate rages over whether or not Watkins should be retained...and at what price, the effectiveness of an NFL OLine has a far greater impact on whether or not that offense will thrive.

The third glaring need is a development of replacements for Quinn and Barwin. Both are valued leaders who perform admirably. But neither are what they once were and never likely to be again. Sure, they were good enough last year to produce what the team needed, but the organization cannot afford to ignore that there is a need here that must be addressed soon.

Finally, and frankly Snead’s greatest strength has been the ability to find depth in the latter rounds of the draft and with undrafted free agents. The Eagles of 2017 were the first team I’ve ever witnessed to lose so many star players and still win a championship. The ‘17 Rams were the healthiest they have been in 16 years. The odds are against that happening again in 2018. Perhaps coaching will make the difference but Snead’s most unappreciated task this offseason will be churning the bottom of the roster.

The trade for Peters is making headlines and we all wait to learn the cost. While I share that anxiety, I’m far more curious to learn what Les and Sean have up their sleeves in the four other areas I’ve listed here.

Excellent post, leoram.

So much so that I copied and pasted to another board.

Giving you full credit, of course.
 

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Always a pleasure to read your write ups.

Lost in the fallout of what Marcus Peters will be able to accomplish for Wade Phillips is what his presence now means to Snead. Cap flexibility vs Johnson is obvious. The greater impact though is what it means to building the rest of the team. For many years, teams like the Patriots have been able to acquire free agents at discount prices because there was a valid perception that players could work for more than a paycheck. The Peters and Watkins moves indicate that volatility isn’t a blackball trait...this staff knows how to manage it. That’s why Randy Moss worked in NE. Perhaps the Rams can do in 2018 what we fans hoped could happen in 2001. Maybe players will get extended a bit more reasonably to stay (Donald, Watkins, Joyner, Sullivan, and eventually Gurley, Goff, etc). Maybe troubled or aging veterans who’s market is low but value is high will prefer this team over other suitors. With this team set at several positions with top flight production, Les can now focus on the four things that remain to be done before kickoff in September.

It would be great to see players stay Rams for a little less money. Also, having some veterans wanting to play here for less. Hope this Marcus Peters deal works out. Another big year

The structure of Wade’s defense in LA is good but needs more pieces to become great. Up front, with Donald and Brockers anchoring the ends, a top flight run stuffing NT would make this unit an all time great 3/4 unit. It would also help the cover/blitz/chase inside linebackers (Ogletree/Barron) become far less liabilities in the run game. To me, this is priority #1.

Torn between a NT and another CB in round 1 @ 23. Top players at both positions could be available. A top level NT would really help the run defense.
 

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Excellent post @leoram - the Rams are now a contender, and I think we'll see players wanting to play for the Rams, this may result in reduced contracts, but at the end of the day money talks. You have to applaud McVay in creating a team that has an exciting style of play, a team that is enjoyable to watch AND IMO probably enjoyable to play on.

The Marcus Peters trade is a huge one for us, I don't care what's been given up in picks, he's definitely improved our CB position.

I think last offseason they went all out to fix the O - this year it looks like Phillis is getting to pick his pieces early. It'll be interesting to see what TruJo does now, I know he's mentioned several times that he loves playing in LA for the Rams, would he do it for a huge cut? Or will he be traded for extra picks?

NT - I agree we need a specialist NT, but I see us picking up someone before the draft - this team wants to win now, and will do what it takes. I see us using the draft to develop depth.
 

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Excellent post @leoram - the Rams are now a contender, and I think we'll see players wanting to play for the Rams, this may result in reduced contracts, but at the end of the day money talks. You have to applaud McVay in creating a team that has an exciting style of play, a team that is enjoyable to watch AND IMO probably enjoyable to play on.

The Marcus Peters trade is a huge one for us, I don't care what's been given up in picks, he's definitely improved our CB position.

I think last offseason they went all out to fix the O - this year it looks like Phillis is getting to pick his pieces early. It'll be interesting to see what TruJo does now, I know he's mentioned several times that he loves playing in LA for the Rams, would he do it for a huge cut? Or will he be traded for extra picks?

NT - I agree we need a specialist NT, but I see us picking up someone before the draft - this team wants to win now, and will do what it takes. I see us using the draft to develop depth.

By choosing Marcus over Tru, the Rams have given themselves the ability to devote resources elsewhere. I agree they may address the NT position via free agency or trade. Our defense was controlling the Falcons until Brockers went down, thus exposing our depth as insufficient. With rare exception (Donald), DT’s require time to develop and the need here is glaring. There’s too much money devoted to Ogletree and Barron to solve the interior run support issue by putting a run stopper in the linebacking interior and that would weaken the pass defense by doing so. Neither of them are stout enough to hold the edge as 3/4 outside LB’s. Easley may well provide depth if he returns healthy, but even he isn’t truly the 5 technique type Wade needs. But with the need to take care of Donald’s contract, a high priced FA NT is unlikely. I’m curious how expensive Donatrie Poe will be. If he can be signed anywhere near his last contract w the Falcons, I’d be all in.
 

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Les Snead felt McVay was a home run right after the interview and the both of them have been working in concert together from the day McVay was announced as the new Los Angeles Rams Head Coach. Many challenges ahead including getting that first playoff victory and beyond. Should be a fun off season as the Rams hit the ground running with the Peters acquisition.
 

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I dont think our oline depth is a dire need. Can we upgrade? Of course. but they did a damn good job against a very good D in San Fran. They gave up 3 sacks, but Mannion was one of the least pressured qbs that week. Little more work and i think we have some good talent on our bench.
 

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I dont think our oline depth is a dire need. Can we upgrade? Of course. but they did a damn good job against a very good D in San Fran. They gave up 3 sacks, but Mannion was one of the least pressured qbs that week. Little more work and i think we have some good talent on our bench.
Maybe not so much of a need @ LG/OC but Snead only has one OT signed currently & that's a rookie named Michael Dunn UDFA. I would have some serious heartburn if Dunn had to start @ LT or RT if there were a problem with out starters. Plus when you have 3 starting OL'ers heading into UFA'cy in one yr. It would be a sizeable mistake to not add some big talent in the OL either through the draft or FA'cy now.
 

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Maybe not so much of a need @ LG/OC but Snead only has one OT signed currently & that's a rookie named Michael Dunn UDFA. I would have some serious heartburn if Dunn had to start @ LT or RT if there were a problem with out starters. Plus when you have 3 starting OL'ers heading into UFA'cy in one yr. It would be a sizeable mistake to not add some big talent in the OL either through the draft or FA'cy now.
I may be wrong but im pretty sure ive seen Blythe in those positions before and had good success. Not saying hes our future there, i see him taking sullivans position if any, but blythe is what we were hoping Barret Jones was going to be. A guy you can plug in pretty much anywhere on the oline and succeed.
 

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By choosing Marcus over Tru, the Rams have given themselves the ability to devote resources elsewhere. I agree they may address the NT position via free agency or trade. Our defense was controlling the Falcons until Brockers went down, thus exposing our depth as insufficient. With rare exception (Donald), DT’s require time to develop and the need here is glaring. There’s too much money devoted to Ogletree and Barron to solve the interior run support issue by putting a run stopper in the linebacking interior and that would weaken the pass defense by doing so. Neither of them are stout enough to hold the edge as 3/4 outside LB’s. Easley may well provide depth if he returns healthy, but even he isn’t truly the 5 technique type Wade needs. But with the need to take care of Donald’s contract, a high priced FA NT is unlikely. I’m curious how expensive Donatrie Poe will be. If he can be signed anywhere near his last contract w the Falcons, I’d be all in.

We could benefit from a big space eating guy at NT to spot Brockers, or when we're up against a stout Run first team, whether or not we pick them up in FA or the latter rounds of the draft, I'm sure the FO will be doing extensive due diligence on a number of guys.
 

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Still wonder what the compensation was/is....Round 2 pick? in 2019???? Round 3 pick this year??
 

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I may be wrong but im pretty sure ive seen Blythe in those positions before and had good success. Not saying hes our future there, i see him taking sullivans position if any, but blythe is what we were hoping Barret Jones was going to be. A guy you can plug in pretty much anywhere on the oline and succeed.

Yes Austin Blythe saw time @ LG & OC for the Rams in 2017 & did well for a wavier wire pick up. I think that Blythe is a keeper no doubt. But after Blythe there's not much here signed. Aaron Nearly play in just one game in 2017. That's all the experience he has. Nearly is a WWC & on his 3rd team since he went UDFA back in 2016. neither UDFA Jake Eldrenkamp nor UDFA Michael Dunn have any regular season experience.

I would find it odd after all the Rams valuable investments made to obtain Goff in order to finally have a NFL level functioning QB. .....that this Org would not take the steps to provide that investment a long term future solid front line protection. With 4 of our starters involved in free agency now & in 2018 plus the oldest starting LT in the NFL the future is far from looking solid.

I would look for Snead & McVay to bring in some longer term well seasoned & highly skilled OL'ers for Goff in the very near future.
 

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Yes Austin Blythe saw time @ LG & OC for the Rams in 2017 & did well for a wavier wire pick up. I think that Blythe is a keeper no doubt. But after Blythe there's not much here signed. Aaron Nearly play in just one game in 2017. That's all the experience he has. Nearly is a WWC & on his 3rd team since he went UDFA back in 2016. neither UDFA Jake Eldrenkamp nor UDFA Michael Dunn have any regular season experience.

I would find it odd after all the Rams valuable investments made to obtain Goff in order to finally have a NFL level functioning QB. .....that this Org would not take the steps to provide that investment a long term future solid front line protection. With 4 of our starters involved in free agency now & in 2018 plus the oldest starting LT in the NFL the future is far from looking solid.

I would look for Snead & McVay to bring in some longer term well seasoned & highly skilled OL'ers for Goff in the very near future.
Easier said than done given the FAs the team has and needs combined with lack of picks.
 

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I personally think we use the draft to build our oline. Vets are good to have but not good to have sit on the bench. I dont see anyone beating out any of our guys for the starting oline job, so anyone we grab is going to be back up. Best to grab a stud out of college and groom him and pick up a large NT in free agency. Again, just my opinion.
 

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Still wonder what the compensation was/is....Round 2 pick? in 2019???? Round 3 pick this year??
Guess it will certainly slow down the Ram mock drafts until they announce the Rams payment & future payments in priceless draft assets given in compensation.
 

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I may be wrong but im pretty sure ive seen Blythe in those positions before and had good success. Not saying hes our future there, i see him taking sullivans position if any, but blythe is what we were hoping Barret Jones was going to be. A guy you can plug in pretty much anywhere on the oline and succeed.

I had huge hopes that Barrett Jones was going to be our answer at C for a decade - ohh how wrong was I...