What 49ers Fans Are Saying(Part 2)
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http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/12/30/10692232/49ers-clown-show-on-full-display
49ers clown show on full display
By David Fucillo @davidfucillo
As the San Francisco 49ers wrap up their season, complaints abound about the front office and coaching staff. That has led to some creativity with photoshop. User kaumatua is the latest to jump in the mix. He put together this clown display featuring notable members of the 49ers. They are clockwise from the left: Paraag Marathe, Trent Baalke, Al Guido, Jed York, Jim Tomsula.
Guido has been around for a while, but only recently popped up on the average fan's radar. On the other hand Marathe is moving away from his previous role. The new year is just around the corner, and who knows what 2016 will bring, but at least we can laugh a little bit!
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49ers clown show on full display
By David Fucillo @davidfucillo
As the San Francisco 49ers wrap up their season, complaints abound about the front office and coaching staff. That has led to some creativity with photoshop. User kaumatua is the latest to jump in the mix. He put together this clown display featuring notable members of the 49ers. They are clockwise from the left: Paraag Marathe, Trent Baalke, Al Guido, Jed York, Jim Tomsula.
Guido has been around for a while, but only recently popped up on the average fan's radar. On the other hand Marathe is moving away from his previous role. The new year is just around the corner, and who knows what 2016 will bring, but at least we can laugh a little bit!
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Different teams, different systems and different strengths and weaknesses. Win/Loss history really isn't that telling, and that's one thing that I love about this game
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I want all of you that are weary with Rams football, to remember what it's like to DREAM again for PRESEASON games...It's a long offseason, and Fisher will be our Coach next year, win or lose. Being a loser is something I don't want to ever be again. Winning on Sunday means we don't have a losing team, and I'll freaking take THAT! Losing for draft position is something the players never think about....They want to do their jobs as best they can, no matter what time of the year they are playing.....I for one will sit down with my beer, and will watch every down and love it..and will miss the season as soon as its over...
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This Go Rams? thread has been continued from page 1 of this thread. For the most part they want their team to lose to the Rams for a better draft pick and so that their HC will be fired. It's the exact opposite thinking of our
"Should we hope the Rams lose to get a better draft pick?" thread.
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http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/184317-go-rams/
Go Rams??
No way we win this one, rams are a better team.... tomsula gonna get canned regardless
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Even if we lose, I still don't think they fire Tomsula. I also refuse to root for another team against mine. However it works out is how it works out.
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First time in my life I am cheering against the team I have been obsessed with since I was a 4 year old kid in the Haystack. I HATE this front office and coaching staff. So, so much. WE NEED CHANGE. Its so depressing to think we will go into next season with the same s**t. No hope.
If Jed fires Tomsula he will give fans a lot of hope. That he can put his ego or whatever aside. That there may be some hope in the future. Won't happen though
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Sadly, I do want the team to lose, since winning might leave a positive feeling (like the lame lucky win the team had in Chicago, which lead to positive outflows from Jed and his mom) that will lead the ownership to erroneously believe that the team and Tomsula are headed in the right direction.
Secondly, there is no denying that winning will leave the team's draft position at an undesirable level and since the season is wasted and the team in the short term has no chance of being good or respectable, its better for them to simply lose to secure a better draft pick or a collection of picks, so that they get to winning and the SB sooner.
There is no point being stuck in mediocrity. One player makes a difference and if that player exists in this draft (assuming the GM can find them), I'd much rather find that player.
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Guys it's not a rebuild, but a reload. I takes a few years to reload.....
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if they don't fire Tomafoola On Jan 4th , I will root for every team that is playing vs us next year !
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I'll still cheer the team, but I'll be fully numb to a loss. I feel like even if we lost 62-3, they'd still keep JT for some ridiculous reason.
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This is kind of where I'm at. Before losses would piss me off and have an impact on me. Now if we win? Awesome. If we lose? Oh well. I already know we suck.
But I will never specifically root for another team to beat the 49ers.
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if our owner had a shred of self awareness a loss to the rams would probably help get tomsula fired. well, if he had a shred of self awareness it'd already be a done deal. jed won't fire him, we already know this.
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This could be the most boring game in NFL history.
But yeah, we need to lose. I jate tos ay it, but Tomsula has to go and this is the only way it might happen. If we win Jed will call that momentum for next year.
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There is no way my brain can compute hoping for the opposition to win.
Thankfully I won't have to as the rams will win anyway (despite hayne's 1st career TD on a 2&goal from the 5yd line)
Even with my relative NFL inexperience even I know that a 4-12 HC usually gets fired, but for some reason I just don't think they will. They should though
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I'm eagerly awaiting for what our cheesedick, cheapskate, backstabbing coward of an owner has to say when he finally address his accountability for this disaster after the season is over like he promised. Then again, he'll probably have one of his underling future fall guys leak something to the press. He's such a twunt.
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Go Niners!
And by Go Niners I mean lose this meaningless game to better your chances for next year. I do not want the Niners to lose this game to hurt the Niners, I want them to lose to help give them better options for next year.
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I think the decision to retain or fire tomsula has already been made. If they lose badly, I could see the final straw to fire tomsula. Unfortunately, I think the Niners pull out a huge victory over the rams and drop 3 spots in the draft.
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Personally, We should win and try to win every week until winning becomes a habit.
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At the cost of a top 5 pick? Nah. As a fan, I'll pass on the moral victories.
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Wear blue to levi stadium, get loud when the 49ers are on offense
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Jed isnt going anywhere, but if losing gets them a new coach, I'm willing to cheer for the opposition. Still though, f**k the Rams and those two scumbags Fisher and Williams.
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As much as I hate the vaguest chance of Tomsula coming back, I am mentally unable to cheer for the Rams, particularly a Fisher/Williams cheap shot coached team, and especially because they are in St Louis.
But I will say "Go Rams... back to LA"!
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F the Rams! Unless they play the Seahawks
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It doesn't matter... we need much more than a top draft pick... we need several. Can the NFL create a head coach draft please, and a general manager one too, ugh
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its a different breed of fans at the new place as compared to the stick, eating sushi in luxury boxes and social media has become priority over the game
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Go, Rams, go!
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http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/184314-make-levi-stadim-ghost-town/
Make Levi Stadium a ghost town
When I look at the stands in Cleveland or in Detroit, all I can think is that as usual, Niner fans are a disgrace. If the Niners aren't winning, half the crowd leaves. This is the definition of bandwagon fans and the Niners have a load of them. Browns fans are still there. Lions fans are still there. Niner fans? Niner fans are crap.
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I'm all in for not watching any 49er football or paying 1 red cent to the NFL or the 49ers if Jim Tomsula is retained as coach. I'm tired of this mismanaged cheap BS. If we have any balls at all please don't go to Levi's stadium this Sunday. Send a message that this BS will not be tolerated and let Jed choke on the empty seats and bad press.
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Embarrassment is the only tool at our disposal.
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now I understand the anger of the New Orleans fans when they went to games with bags on their heads.
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This could be Hayne's last ever game in the NFL before being waived to Africa,make it a full house and send the great man out a winner
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My co worker didn't want my Rams tickets....so I just trashed them.
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Some may view blindly supporting the team as being a true fan but if you were truly a fan you would do everything in your power to make this team better again. The only way this team will get and remain better is if we force ownership to sell.
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Rams spending week in Napa, treating it like bowl game trip
By David Fucillo @davidfucillo
Rob Boras: "We're treating these Napa practices like a (college football) Bowl trip."
The St. Louis Rams are traveling to face the San Francisco 49ers in Week 17, and they have cut down on their travel for this week. The Rams faced the Seattle Seahawks up north last week, and decided to spend this week in Napa. Much like the 49ers previously staying in Youngstown, the Rams decision to stay in Napa lessens the travel issues.
The 49ers and Rams are playing a fairly meaningless game (draft position, aside), and the Rams seem to be doing what they can do enjoy the unique circumstances of a Napa visit. Their assistant head coach said as much on Wednesday.
The Rams put together a huge upset last week, winning a road game against the Seattle Seahawks for the first time since 2004. Some sportsbooks had the line as high as Seattle -13.5, but the Rams defense stepped up. St. Louis jumped on top 16-0, and never trailed en route to a 23-17 victory.
The 49ers likely need a loss to secure a top five pick. They could slip to eight with a win, and likely stick with at No. 5, or potentially climb as high as No. 4 or No. 3, with a loss. The Rams have had a better season, but will they end up lackadaisical out of the gates during this "bowl game trip"?
Or will they be loose and come out of the gates strong? The 49ers are a better home team than away team, but this game is really hard to figure out. This extended road trip for the Rams only adds to the questions.
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They could've spent all week in Siberia then came here, and still kicked the Niners' tails.
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maybe they will show up to the game hung over
that doesn’t mean they will lose.
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Not a bad gig
Do some tastings, stay at some nice places, get in some practices, etc. Great area to prep, for sure.
With how badly the 49ers play on the road, I always imagine the team staying in places like this and using cow pastures for practice:
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There’s no positives with this team. This team is a joke. The owner is a joke. The GM is a joke. The coach is one of the worst NFL hires of all time.
Literally. In ten years, there will be lists of "Worst NFL coaching hires of all time" and it will be Tomsula on there, not Singletary, not Nolan, not even Erickson. Why? Because you fire Harbaugh to hire this piece of garbage? This idiot with no connections, no juice, no ability to attract quality coordinators?
The Yorks are puke.
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Wonder who's picking up the tabs for the visits to the French Laundry?
Hell … tough gig … but somebody’s got to do it.
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So many reasons to root for a crushing loss this week
This sucks. I’m not wired to root for this.
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I want a complete demolition.
Penalties galore.
35-0.
Nobody in the stands.
Catch Tomsula working at a booger.
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Congrats in advance to the Rams
By winning on Sunday you’ll have a 8-8 record and it will be the first time in Fisher’s term as HC you haven’t had a losing record. It only took you guys 4 years to get to .500 ball. Whee-haw.
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Rams are facing a 49ers team trying to save Jim Tomsula's job
The 49ers players should seriously consider quitting on this game and letting the Rams win on purpose.
We are going to see more upset players like Boldin on the sideline.
Hope The Rams crush us so Tomsula gets fired.
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I want a 62-0 drubbing like what they did to the Raiders last year.
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GO RAMS?
Oh man do I feel dirty!!!!
But even though I feel like Baalke will blow the pick, I’d rather have a shot at 3-5 than slip to 8.
And even though I think we will be cursed with another season of Tomsula and the rest of his merry twits, a blow out loss will at least keep hope alive for good news on Black Monday.
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The Rams will discover what North Bay 49er fans already know
That soulless monument to greed called Levis Stadium is way, way to far to drive for a football game.
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We need A Manimal
to infiltrate their practices and get them all drunk on his wine!
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Hope they get drunk
and show up Sunday with wicked hangovers. It’s about the only hope we have.
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The Rams will win and the
niners will be 4-12 . Need to be realistic though i can’t stand Jeff Fisher an dirty coach
"Should we hope the Rams lose to get a better draft pick?" thread.
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http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/184317-go-rams/
Go Rams??
No way we win this one, rams are a better team.... tomsula gonna get canned regardless
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Even if we lose, I still don't think they fire Tomsula. I also refuse to root for another team against mine. However it works out is how it works out.
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First time in my life I am cheering against the team I have been obsessed with since I was a 4 year old kid in the Haystack. I HATE this front office and coaching staff. So, so much. WE NEED CHANGE. Its so depressing to think we will go into next season with the same s**t. No hope.
If Jed fires Tomsula he will give fans a lot of hope. That he can put his ego or whatever aside. That there may be some hope in the future. Won't happen though
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Sadly, I do want the team to lose, since winning might leave a positive feeling (like the lame lucky win the team had in Chicago, which lead to positive outflows from Jed and his mom) that will lead the ownership to erroneously believe that the team and Tomsula are headed in the right direction.
Secondly, there is no denying that winning will leave the team's draft position at an undesirable level and since the season is wasted and the team in the short term has no chance of being good or respectable, its better for them to simply lose to secure a better draft pick or a collection of picks, so that they get to winning and the SB sooner.
There is no point being stuck in mediocrity. One player makes a difference and if that player exists in this draft (assuming the GM can find them), I'd much rather find that player.
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Guys it's not a rebuild, but a reload. I takes a few years to reload.....
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if they don't fire Tomafoola On Jan 4th , I will root for every team that is playing vs us next year !
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I'll still cheer the team, but I'll be fully numb to a loss. I feel like even if we lost 62-3, they'd still keep JT for some ridiculous reason.
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This is kind of where I'm at. Before losses would piss me off and have an impact on me. Now if we win? Awesome. If we lose? Oh well. I already know we suck.
But I will never specifically root for another team to beat the 49ers.
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if our owner had a shred of self awareness a loss to the rams would probably help get tomsula fired. well, if he had a shred of self awareness it'd already be a done deal. jed won't fire him, we already know this.
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This could be the most boring game in NFL history.
But yeah, we need to lose. I jate tos ay it, but Tomsula has to go and this is the only way it might happen. If we win Jed will call that momentum for next year.
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There is no way my brain can compute hoping for the opposition to win.
Thankfully I won't have to as the rams will win anyway (despite hayne's 1st career TD on a 2&goal from the 5yd line)
Even with my relative NFL inexperience even I know that a 4-12 HC usually gets fired, but for some reason I just don't think they will. They should though
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I'm eagerly awaiting for what our cheesedick, cheapskate, backstabbing coward of an owner has to say when he finally address his accountability for this disaster after the season is over like he promised. Then again, he'll probably have one of his underling future fall guys leak something to the press. He's such a twunt.
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Go Niners!
And by Go Niners I mean lose this meaningless game to better your chances for next year. I do not want the Niners to lose this game to hurt the Niners, I want them to lose to help give them better options for next year.
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I think the decision to retain or fire tomsula has already been made. If they lose badly, I could see the final straw to fire tomsula. Unfortunately, I think the Niners pull out a huge victory over the rams and drop 3 spots in the draft.
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Personally, We should win and try to win every week until winning becomes a habit.
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At the cost of a top 5 pick? Nah. As a fan, I'll pass on the moral victories.
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Wear blue to levi stadium, get loud when the 49ers are on offense
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Jed isnt going anywhere, but if losing gets them a new coach, I'm willing to cheer for the opposition. Still though, f**k the Rams and those two scumbags Fisher and Williams.
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As much as I hate the vaguest chance of Tomsula coming back, I am mentally unable to cheer for the Rams, particularly a Fisher/Williams cheap shot coached team, and especially because they are in St Louis.
But I will say "Go Rams... back to LA"!
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F the Rams! Unless they play the Seahawks
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It doesn't matter... we need much more than a top draft pick... we need several. Can the NFL create a head coach draft please, and a general manager one too, ugh
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its a different breed of fans at the new place as compared to the stick, eating sushi in luxury boxes and social media has become priority over the game
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Go, Rams, go!
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http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/184314-make-levi-stadim-ghost-town/
Make Levi Stadium a ghost town
When I look at the stands in Cleveland or in Detroit, all I can think is that as usual, Niner fans are a disgrace. If the Niners aren't winning, half the crowd leaves. This is the definition of bandwagon fans and the Niners have a load of them. Browns fans are still there. Lions fans are still there. Niner fans? Niner fans are crap.
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I'm all in for not watching any 49er football or paying 1 red cent to the NFL or the 49ers if Jim Tomsula is retained as coach. I'm tired of this mismanaged cheap BS. If we have any balls at all please don't go to Levi's stadium this Sunday. Send a message that this BS will not be tolerated and let Jed choke on the empty seats and bad press.
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Embarrassment is the only tool at our disposal.
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now I understand the anger of the New Orleans fans when they went to games with bags on their heads.
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My co worker didn't want my Rams tickets....so I just trashed them.
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Some may view blindly supporting the team as being a true fan but if you were truly a fan you would do everything in your power to make this team better again. The only way this team will get and remain better is if we force ownership to sell.
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http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/12...-week-in-napa-treating-it-like-bowl-game-trip
Rams spending week in Napa, treating it like bowl game trip
By David Fucillo @davidfucillo
Rob Boras: "We're treating these Napa practices like a (college football) Bowl trip."
The St. Louis Rams are traveling to face the San Francisco 49ers in Week 17, and they have cut down on their travel for this week. The Rams faced the Seattle Seahawks up north last week, and decided to spend this week in Napa. Much like the 49ers previously staying in Youngstown, the Rams decision to stay in Napa lessens the travel issues.
The 49ers and Rams are playing a fairly meaningless game (draft position, aside), and the Rams seem to be doing what they can do enjoy the unique circumstances of a Napa visit. Their assistant head coach said as much on Wednesday.
The Rams put together a huge upset last week, winning a road game against the Seattle Seahawks for the first time since 2004. Some sportsbooks had the line as high as Seattle -13.5, but the Rams defense stepped up. St. Louis jumped on top 16-0, and never trailed en route to a 23-17 victory.
The 49ers likely need a loss to secure a top five pick. They could slip to eight with a win, and likely stick with at No. 5, or potentially climb as high as No. 4 or No. 3, with a loss. The Rams have had a better season, but will they end up lackadaisical out of the gates during this "bowl game trip"?
Or will they be loose and come out of the gates strong? The 49ers are a better home team than away team, but this game is really hard to figure out. This extended road trip for the Rams only adds to the questions.
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They could've spent all week in Siberia then came here, and still kicked the Niners' tails.
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maybe they will show up to the game hung over
that doesn’t mean they will lose.
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Not a bad gig
Do some tastings, stay at some nice places, get in some practices, etc. Great area to prep, for sure.
With how badly the 49ers play on the road, I always imagine the team staying in places like this and using cow pastures for practice:
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There’s no positives with this team. This team is a joke. The owner is a joke. The GM is a joke. The coach is one of the worst NFL hires of all time.
Literally. In ten years, there will be lists of "Worst NFL coaching hires of all time" and it will be Tomsula on there, not Singletary, not Nolan, not even Erickson. Why? Because you fire Harbaugh to hire this piece of garbage? This idiot with no connections, no juice, no ability to attract quality coordinators?
The Yorks are puke.
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Wonder who's picking up the tabs for the visits to the French Laundry?
Hell … tough gig … but somebody’s got to do it.
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So many reasons to root for a crushing loss this week
This sucks. I’m not wired to root for this.
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I want a complete demolition.
Penalties galore.
35-0.
Nobody in the stands.
Catch Tomsula working at a booger.
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Congrats in advance to the Rams
By winning on Sunday you’ll have a 8-8 record and it will be the first time in Fisher’s term as HC you haven’t had a losing record. It only took you guys 4 years to get to .500 ball. Whee-haw.
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Rams are facing a 49ers team trying to save Jim Tomsula's job
The 49ers players should seriously consider quitting on this game and letting the Rams win on purpose.
We are going to see more upset players like Boldin on the sideline.
Hope The Rams crush us so Tomsula gets fired.
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I want a 62-0 drubbing like what they did to the Raiders last year.
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GO RAMS?
Oh man do I feel dirty!!!!
But even though I feel like Baalke will blow the pick, I’d rather have a shot at 3-5 than slip to 8.
And even though I think we will be cursed with another season of Tomsula and the rest of his merry twits, a blow out loss will at least keep hope alive for good news on Black Monday.
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The Rams will discover what North Bay 49er fans already know
That soulless monument to greed called Levis Stadium is way, way to far to drive for a football game.
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We need A Manimal
to infiltrate their practices and get them all drunk on his wine!
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Hope they get drunk
and show up Sunday with wicked hangovers. It’s about the only hope we have.
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The Rams will win and the
niners will be 4-12 . Need to be realistic though i can’t stand Jeff Fisher an dirty coach
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Man, Fisher and Williams have the rep of being dirty to fans everywhere. As long as the refs don't buy into it that can be a good thing.
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The Rams are dirty! The Rams are dirty
whiners will whine while we dine in Wine country. Hey wait. Did you see what I did there?
The Rams are dirty whiners will whine while we dine in Wine country. Hey wait. Did you see what I did there?
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The Rams are dirty!
Between this and that, it seems odd that a fan of a 4-win bad joke would try to degrade the Rams:
Congrats in advance to the Rams
By winning on Sunday you’ll have a 8-8 record and it will be the first time in Fisher’s term as HC you haven’t had a losing record. It only took you guys 4 years to get to .500 ball. Whee
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There's not much the 49ers fanbase is saying these days so here's something from our own fanbase, plus comments from a few of the 49ers faithful. This is how bad things have gotten for both teams, arguing about which one is worse.
Btw it appears that ROD is not the only Rams site that has the "realists" vs. the homers arguments going on. The author, 3k, gets totally trashed in 283 comments for being a "realist." These are just a few of the comments. To read all of them click the link below.
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Who's Worse, The St. Louis Rams Or San Francisco 49ers?
By 3k @3k_
Jasen Vinlove-USA TODAY Sports
Why the San Francisco 49ers are worse than the St. Louis Rams
By David Fucillo, Manager of Niners Nation
I'm surprised I even need to spell this out. Rams fans are stuck with Jeff Fisher for at least one more year, so I understand the general frustration of mediocrity. For 49ers fans though, the franchise appears to be bottoming out to a certain degree.
The team lost some major leaders on both sides of the ball last year, but the problems start up top. Depending on who you want to believe, CEO Jed York and possibly GM Trent Baalke forced out head coach Jim Harbaugh because they did not like his abrasive personality.
The team conducted a search, but Jim Tomsula's promotion capped off months of speculation that he was the guy York wanted as head coach. We'll never know exactly what happened behind closed doors, but when the speculation turns into facts a few months later, it's hard to not believe it all.
There were plenty of doom-sayers when Tomsula was hired, but some folks (including yours truly) tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, as we head into the season finale, it seems pretty clear Tomsula is in over his head.
The team makes few if any in-game adjustments, lineup changes comes long after they should have happened, and the team seems entirely undisciplined and unprepared on a weekly basis.
It would seem like this is a recipe for Tomsula to get fired, but right now it seems like he will be back in 2016. Firing Tomsula would require Jed York to admit he was wrong to a certain degree a year ago. I just don't see that acknowledgement happening quite yet.
I think Tomsula gets a reprieve, but more than likely ends up getting canned midway through the 2016 season. And so, we're basically left waiting for 2017 to arrive before any hope for the future.
And all that assumes Jed York and Trent Baalke (assuming he too hasn't been canned) are able to find a coach that is willing to join this franchise. I think it's possible this thing improves down the road, but it's just hard to drum up any optimism at this point.
Why the St. Louis Rams are worse than the San Francisco 49ers
By 3k, Manager of Turf Show Times
I'll answer this two ways.
In the short-term, I think it's closer than many think. While the gap looks pretty large, I think the Niners have bottomed out. It may not get better quickly, but there isn't much room to sink lower than where you guys are at now. The Rams, though, don't show much evidence of getting better than they have in recent years.
That the Rams have won their last three games is more a function of who they played (against the Detroit Lions and Tampa Bay Buccaneers) and the pure fluctuation of horrible football and very good football that defines Fisherball (against the Seattle Seahawks).
So it's just very hard to say the Rams are worse as it stands today...
but...
The Niners could fix it.
If San Francisco has bottomed out, or is anywhere close to doing so, they've got nowhere to go but up. The Rams? With Jeff Fisher at the helm, they're poised for a multi-year run of that juicy spot in between being good and being bad that offers just enough hope to stave off any real improvement or depreciation.
The Rams went 7-9 in 2012 with an offensive line gumbo of Rodger Safflold, Wayne Hunter, Shelley Smith, Quinn Ojinnaka, Robert Turner, Scott Wells,Harvey Dahl and Barry Richardson, a WR corps of Danny Amendola, Brandon Gibson and Chris Givens and a QB/RB combo of Sam Bradford and Steven Jackson.
Jeff Fisher spent the last three years improving that offense by -1,000 passing yards and 100 rushing yards.
It's not...getting..better.
So long-term, it's less a matter of who's worse than who has a chance to get better.
The Niners could improve things and be less ungood. The Rams, especially with reports suggesting Fisher is under no real threat to lose his job after four years of ungood football, are stuck with ungood as long as they'll force themselves to be.
There's light at the end of the tunnel for the Niners.
The Rams are parked on the side of road inside the tunnel marveling at their new, shiny rims with everyone impressed that sometime soon, the car will be going very, very fast.
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Seriously what the f*** is wrong with you
Why are you writing these terrible articles. We destroyed them the first time we played and it’s happening again.
Oh they have better draft position that must be better.
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I almost skipped reading it and jumped to the comments, if fact I looked at some other stuff before saying the hell with it and clicking on the stupid article!
But I did read it and must say, I am no better off for having done so! Justt a bit of advice 3k, never put your name on a article titled why the Rams are worse than the 9’ers, even if they were, which they obviously are not!
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Rams fans say that EVERY year
Sorry man, it’s never gonna happen with Fisher.
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Not sure why you needed so many words to say "The 49ers"
We suck more than you do. Get over it.
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This just in
3k is still a joke
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The 49ers are the worst team in football
but are the Rams jealous that we have Blaine Gabbert?
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The Rams
would have to get a helluva lot worse to be as bad as the Niners. The scary thing for Niners fans is most of us don’t think our GM is capable of making the draft picks that would make them better. Or the coaching staff to make his draft picks better. It’s kind of a lose-lose situation.
Don’t get me going about the owner.
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So, Fish has been there 4 years now. The last time the Niners had a HC with 4 years under his belt and a 8-8 record he got fired. Of course, he was regressing. With Fisher the 8-8 record the Rams will have late Sunday afternoon will be an improvement.
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The Rams suck, but the Niners are the worst team in football (maybe American pro sports sans the Sixers)
Rams are mediocrity personified, destined to get 6 to 8 wins a year under the boring Jeff Fisher. Niners are a cellar dweller whose ceiling is 4-5 wins.
We both suck. We should get drinks sometime.
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I see a Rams win but 49ers do play better at home
Only 1 of those wins was an away game (the Bears). I think you guys win this game, especially after watching the last 3 Rams games as I’ve seen improvement. The team is looking better and better in my opinion but who knows if that will translate to next year for you guys. I do think this game may be a close one because the 49ers play much better at home defensively.
In fact I think all 49ers fans were shocked that the 49ers defense held the Cardinals to only 19 points…the only problem was the 49ers offense could only score 13 points which is generally around what they average a game.
The 49ers at home have actually only allowed over 20 points at home once all season (24 against the Bengals) but if you can score 18 points or more you’re probably set for a win. Regardless the Rams are definitely the better team and SHOULD win this game but you never know.
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Oh for f***s sake
Do us all a favor 3k, if the Rams do indeed move to LA, please stay behind with the EJD and the old colors and logo…
We’ll all be better off.
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Being from San Francisco...
Hating the Rams is genetic – Where ever they hail from – I would not be surprised if the reverse is true. But…I’ve been a long-time fan of Jeff Fisher. Creates a bit of a bind. I still enjoy hating the Rams (in a fan sense – No real hatred) but I don’t know what the deal is with Fisher.
He has not been able to get the Rams anywhere near as good as their personnel. The roster is a good 2-3 games better than the results. Is there discord with the Front Office? Has Fisher lost the locker room? Or has Fisher simply lost it?
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Just making a point
That being from the sf area doesn’t mean you hate the Rams. Plenty of Rams fans here.
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"Mr. 3K, what you've just said...
Is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent article were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone who read this article is now dumber for viewing it. I award you no points, and may Snead have mercy on your soul."
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I'd rather not waste my time pointng out the litany of reasons why I believe 3K
Is acting like an overly whiny, cynical, crybaby. The article in and of itself is a joke, so I figured the manner in which I replied was appropriate.
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didnt you know
that on TST you’re always supposed to be positive and never be mean to people…..
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I stopped reading here: "The Rams, though, don't show much evidence of getting better than they have in recent years."
As if winning in Seattle isn’t evidence of getting better. I’m never vocal about your writing 3k, and I believe some may take it a little to far in criticizing you, but this is just ridiculous.
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There's light at the end of the tunnel for the 49ers?
Blaine Gabbert is their best quarterback and the QB’s in this upcoming draft are a joke. They average 14.6 ppg which is worst in the league. Aside from Anquan Boldin (who might walk after this year) their best receivers are Torrey Smith and Quinton Patton. Carlos Hyde is perpetually injured. Defensively they are just as bad, 29th in the league in YPG. Aside from Navarro Bowman everyone on the defense is sorry. And to top it all off their head coach is a bozo who looks like a real life version of Mario.
I tend to agree with the majority of the stuff you post on here even if most of it is cynical. But "there’s light at the end of the tunnel for the 49ers" is laughable and you should feel embarrassed for even suggesting that.
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I'm obviously a 49ers fan but I watch pretty much all of the "A football life" episodes
My favorite Rams one is Kurt Warner, although obviously some of it is with the Giants and Cardinals later but such an amazing story. That greatest show on turf team for a few years was incredibly good.
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The 49ers have been on the way down since Bill Walsh left
and Carmen Policy was exposed as a gangster snake oil salesman. The ‘story’ is that they’ve been in the toilet for years but got lucky with the Jim Harbaugh hire, until Harbaugh realized he was dealing with idiots and left. As soon as he did, it’s back to the toilet again – which is where it will remain until the owners sell and leave.
The Rams have been in the toilet since Georgia Frontier took over with their own lucky exception of the Warner miracle years. As soon as Warner left it was back to the toilet – which is where it would have remained had Georgia continued running the team.
However – a few years ago Kronke took over and the Rams have been trending upward ever since. Gone are the shit assistant coaches, gone are the cutbacks to the scouting area, gone are the ‘hugs from mom’ on the sideline (thank God), and ever since died (no offense, just being factual) the Rams have won more games and shown more improvement than they previously showed in over a decade.
I’m sorry but ‘ding-dong’ the wildebeest is dead meaning after the Rams destroy the Niners they’ll have their best record in a decade even though multiple starters were unavailable due to injury – who’ll all be back next year. You combine that with Les Snead’s AMAZING drafts = next year the Rams will finally break through and end the playoff drought.
So the answer is simple. The Niners are shit meaning the toilet is where they belong.
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I liken this Rams team to the 49ers team
Just before the Niners made there last playoff & Super Bowl run. A great defense and running game with timely QB play. The Rams have a very nice young core of players who are coming into their prime years. The draft from this point is extremely important, on Defense Rams will need a DE & MLB, if the Rams resign there prime starters then hit on more picks this team has a chance to grow into a very good team.
There’s always steps for a young ball club before becoming a good team, Rams are that close, offensive line & rb will be together again next season, very excited for next season, very excited 3k no matter how negative some are on this site. This Rams team has potential, just need a bit of LUCK in this game
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Believe it or not, we still have a faction (albeit very small one).....
….that still supports the moves Jed York has made and thinks firing Harbaugh was a good move. Most of us believe our silver spooned, wannabe Jerry Jones/Mark Zuckerberg combo of a dipshit owner is paying people to go on social media and defend him. It’s the only thing that makes sense at this point.
But yes, the vast majority of us have rallied to one side despite the small band of rebels opposing us. But to be fair, if your team went out and fired the all time 5th winningest coach in NFL history after only four years, did so one year after getting a new stadium built off that coaches success and suckering a billion dollars from the fans and taxpayers,
and then replaced him with the cheapest option he could find (a guy that thinks "ludicroust" and "pomp and stance" are words) and watched the team burn to the ground immediately all the while your owner compared this new coach to the Warriors hiring steve Kerr, it’s pretty hard for everyone to not flip the fuck out.
And this is only about 1/3 of the stupidity that has occurred in the last year. We made trading Gruden or firing Jimmy Johnson look like minor missteps. The shit that has happened this year is legendary in its stupidty. No NFL team will ever be able to repeat the shit we did this year in such a short time span.
It’s like we took two decades of the Cleveland Browns and compressed them into 12 months.
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This was the second interview he did when he got hired
If you’ve got 4 minutes, watch it. And his first press conference wasn’t much better. From day one, we knew we were completely fucked. And keep in mind, our owner had been FANTASIZING about promoting this guy to HC for at least 5 years
http://deadspin.com/new-49ers-coach-jim-tomsula-mumbles-and-huffs-his-way-t-1680004518
We have seriously never heard him out together a coherent sentence, much less thought, in the last year. There is no way he can get magically better talking to management. His postgame speeches to the players are just as baffling.
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The 49ers are cellar dwellers for the next decade..
We are useless!!!
From the Ho to the Cs to Blaine Freaking Gabbert, there is little to no hope..
It’s nice that some of you guys believe in your coach but Imo Jeff Fischer is your weak link and won’t be taking you guys anywhere near the promised land..
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This is like bizarro Niners Nation
Over there, if you’re remotely positive, you get killed. Over here, if you’re remotely negative, you get killed.
WE’RE NOT SO DIFFERENT YOU GUYS
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you have the negative nancy's here tho. and we have realists
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"Realists"
I knew I liked you guys for a reason! We had the negative nancy versus realist debate for a long time with offseason. Funny part is those of us predicting a 6 win season were called Pessimists but we referred to ourselves as realists.
The irony is now looking back on it, we were actually optimists.
Btw it appears that ROD is not the only Rams site that has the "realists" vs. the homers arguments going on. The author, 3k, gets totally trashed in 283 comments for being a "realist." These are just a few of the comments. To read all of them click the link below.
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Who's Worse, The St. Louis Rams Or San Francisco 49ers?
By 3k @3k_
Jasen Vinlove-USA TODAY Sports
Why the San Francisco 49ers are worse than the St. Louis Rams
By David Fucillo, Manager of Niners Nation
I'm surprised I even need to spell this out. Rams fans are stuck with Jeff Fisher for at least one more year, so I understand the general frustration of mediocrity. For 49ers fans though, the franchise appears to be bottoming out to a certain degree.
The team lost some major leaders on both sides of the ball last year, but the problems start up top. Depending on who you want to believe, CEO Jed York and possibly GM Trent Baalke forced out head coach Jim Harbaugh because they did not like his abrasive personality.
The team conducted a search, but Jim Tomsula's promotion capped off months of speculation that he was the guy York wanted as head coach. We'll never know exactly what happened behind closed doors, but when the speculation turns into facts a few months later, it's hard to not believe it all.
There were plenty of doom-sayers when Tomsula was hired, but some folks (including yours truly) tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, as we head into the season finale, it seems pretty clear Tomsula is in over his head.
The team makes few if any in-game adjustments, lineup changes comes long after they should have happened, and the team seems entirely undisciplined and unprepared on a weekly basis.
It would seem like this is a recipe for Tomsula to get fired, but right now it seems like he will be back in 2016. Firing Tomsula would require Jed York to admit he was wrong to a certain degree a year ago. I just don't see that acknowledgement happening quite yet.
I think Tomsula gets a reprieve, but more than likely ends up getting canned midway through the 2016 season. And so, we're basically left waiting for 2017 to arrive before any hope for the future.
And all that assumes Jed York and Trent Baalke (assuming he too hasn't been canned) are able to find a coach that is willing to join this franchise. I think it's possible this thing improves down the road, but it's just hard to drum up any optimism at this point.
Why the St. Louis Rams are worse than the San Francisco 49ers
By 3k, Manager of Turf Show Times
I'll answer this two ways.
In the short-term, I think it's closer than many think. While the gap looks pretty large, I think the Niners have bottomed out. It may not get better quickly, but there isn't much room to sink lower than where you guys are at now. The Rams, though, don't show much evidence of getting better than they have in recent years.
That the Rams have won their last three games is more a function of who they played (against the Detroit Lions and Tampa Bay Buccaneers) and the pure fluctuation of horrible football and very good football that defines Fisherball (against the Seattle Seahawks).
So it's just very hard to say the Rams are worse as it stands today...
but...
The Niners could fix it.
If San Francisco has bottomed out, or is anywhere close to doing so, they've got nowhere to go but up. The Rams? With Jeff Fisher at the helm, they're poised for a multi-year run of that juicy spot in between being good and being bad that offers just enough hope to stave off any real improvement or depreciation.
The Rams went 7-9 in 2012 with an offensive line gumbo of Rodger Safflold, Wayne Hunter, Shelley Smith, Quinn Ojinnaka, Robert Turner, Scott Wells,Harvey Dahl and Barry Richardson, a WR corps of Danny Amendola, Brandon Gibson and Chris Givens and a QB/RB combo of Sam Bradford and Steven Jackson.
Jeff Fisher spent the last three years improving that offense by -1,000 passing yards and 100 rushing yards.
It's not...getting..better.
So long-term, it's less a matter of who's worse than who has a chance to get better.
The Niners could improve things and be less ungood. The Rams, especially with reports suggesting Fisher is under no real threat to lose his job after four years of ungood football, are stuck with ungood as long as they'll force themselves to be.
There's light at the end of the tunnel for the Niners.
The Rams are parked on the side of road inside the tunnel marveling at their new, shiny rims with everyone impressed that sometime soon, the car will be going very, very fast.
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Seriously what the f*** is wrong with you
Why are you writing these terrible articles. We destroyed them the first time we played and it’s happening again.
Oh they have better draft position that must be better.
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I almost skipped reading it and jumped to the comments, if fact I looked at some other stuff before saying the hell with it and clicking on the stupid article!
But I did read it and must say, I am no better off for having done so! Justt a bit of advice 3k, never put your name on a article titled why the Rams are worse than the 9’ers, even if they were, which they obviously are not!
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Rams fans say that EVERY year
Sorry man, it’s never gonna happen with Fisher.
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Not sure why you needed so many words to say "The 49ers"
We suck more than you do. Get over it.
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This just in
3k is still a joke
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The 49ers are the worst team in football
but are the Rams jealous that we have Blaine Gabbert?
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The Rams
would have to get a helluva lot worse to be as bad as the Niners. The scary thing for Niners fans is most of us don’t think our GM is capable of making the draft picks that would make them better. Or the coaching staff to make his draft picks better. It’s kind of a lose-lose situation.
Don’t get me going about the owner.
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So, Fish has been there 4 years now. The last time the Niners had a HC with 4 years under his belt and a 8-8 record he got fired. Of course, he was regressing. With Fisher the 8-8 record the Rams will have late Sunday afternoon will be an improvement.
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The Rams suck, but the Niners are the worst team in football (maybe American pro sports sans the Sixers)
Rams are mediocrity personified, destined to get 6 to 8 wins a year under the boring Jeff Fisher. Niners are a cellar dweller whose ceiling is 4-5 wins.
We both suck. We should get drinks sometime.
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I see a Rams win but 49ers do play better at home
Only 1 of those wins was an away game (the Bears). I think you guys win this game, especially after watching the last 3 Rams games as I’ve seen improvement. The team is looking better and better in my opinion but who knows if that will translate to next year for you guys. I do think this game may be a close one because the 49ers play much better at home defensively.
In fact I think all 49ers fans were shocked that the 49ers defense held the Cardinals to only 19 points…the only problem was the 49ers offense could only score 13 points which is generally around what they average a game.
The 49ers at home have actually only allowed over 20 points at home once all season (24 against the Bengals) but if you can score 18 points or more you’re probably set for a win. Regardless the Rams are definitely the better team and SHOULD win this game but you never know.
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Oh for f***s sake
Do us all a favor 3k, if the Rams do indeed move to LA, please stay behind with the EJD and the old colors and logo…
We’ll all be better off.
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Being from San Francisco...
Hating the Rams is genetic – Where ever they hail from – I would not be surprised if the reverse is true. But…I’ve been a long-time fan of Jeff Fisher. Creates a bit of a bind. I still enjoy hating the Rams (in a fan sense – No real hatred) but I don’t know what the deal is with Fisher.
He has not been able to get the Rams anywhere near as good as their personnel. The roster is a good 2-3 games better than the results. Is there discord with the Front Office? Has Fisher lost the locker room? Or has Fisher simply lost it?
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Just making a point
That being from the sf area doesn’t mean you hate the Rams. Plenty of Rams fans here.
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"Mr. 3K, what you've just said...
Is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent article were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone who read this article is now dumber for viewing it. I award you no points, and may Snead have mercy on your soul."
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I'd rather not waste my time pointng out the litany of reasons why I believe 3K
Is acting like an overly whiny, cynical, crybaby. The article in and of itself is a joke, so I figured the manner in which I replied was appropriate.
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didnt you know
that on TST you’re always supposed to be positive and never be mean to people…..
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I stopped reading here: "The Rams, though, don't show much evidence of getting better than they have in recent years."
As if winning in Seattle isn’t evidence of getting better. I’m never vocal about your writing 3k, and I believe some may take it a little to far in criticizing you, but this is just ridiculous.
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There's light at the end of the tunnel for the 49ers?
Blaine Gabbert is their best quarterback and the QB’s in this upcoming draft are a joke. They average 14.6 ppg which is worst in the league. Aside from Anquan Boldin (who might walk after this year) their best receivers are Torrey Smith and Quinton Patton. Carlos Hyde is perpetually injured. Defensively they are just as bad, 29th in the league in YPG. Aside from Navarro Bowman everyone on the defense is sorry. And to top it all off their head coach is a bozo who looks like a real life version of Mario.
I tend to agree with the majority of the stuff you post on here even if most of it is cynical. But "there’s light at the end of the tunnel for the 49ers" is laughable and you should feel embarrassed for even suggesting that.
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I'm obviously a 49ers fan but I watch pretty much all of the "A football life" episodes
My favorite Rams one is Kurt Warner, although obviously some of it is with the Giants and Cardinals later but such an amazing story. That greatest show on turf team for a few years was incredibly good.
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The 49ers have been on the way down since Bill Walsh left
and Carmen Policy was exposed as a gangster snake oil salesman. The ‘story’ is that they’ve been in the toilet for years but got lucky with the Jim Harbaugh hire, until Harbaugh realized he was dealing with idiots and left. As soon as he did, it’s back to the toilet again – which is where it will remain until the owners sell and leave.
The Rams have been in the toilet since Georgia Frontier took over with their own lucky exception of the Warner miracle years. As soon as Warner left it was back to the toilet – which is where it would have remained had Georgia continued running the team.
However – a few years ago Kronke took over and the Rams have been trending upward ever since. Gone are the shit assistant coaches, gone are the cutbacks to the scouting area, gone are the ‘hugs from mom’ on the sideline (thank God), and ever since died (no offense, just being factual) the Rams have won more games and shown more improvement than they previously showed in over a decade.
I’m sorry but ‘ding-dong’ the wildebeest is dead meaning after the Rams destroy the Niners they’ll have their best record in a decade even though multiple starters were unavailable due to injury – who’ll all be back next year. You combine that with Les Snead’s AMAZING drafts = next year the Rams will finally break through and end the playoff drought.
So the answer is simple. The Niners are shit meaning the toilet is where they belong.
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I liken this Rams team to the 49ers team
Just before the Niners made there last playoff & Super Bowl run. A great defense and running game with timely QB play. The Rams have a very nice young core of players who are coming into their prime years. The draft from this point is extremely important, on Defense Rams will need a DE & MLB, if the Rams resign there prime starters then hit on more picks this team has a chance to grow into a very good team.
There’s always steps for a young ball club before becoming a good team, Rams are that close, offensive line & rb will be together again next season, very excited for next season, very excited 3k no matter how negative some are on this site. This Rams team has potential, just need a bit of LUCK in this game
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Believe it or not, we still have a faction (albeit very small one).....
….that still supports the moves Jed York has made and thinks firing Harbaugh was a good move. Most of us believe our silver spooned, wannabe Jerry Jones/Mark Zuckerberg combo of a dipshit owner is paying people to go on social media and defend him. It’s the only thing that makes sense at this point.
But yes, the vast majority of us have rallied to one side despite the small band of rebels opposing us. But to be fair, if your team went out and fired the all time 5th winningest coach in NFL history after only four years, did so one year after getting a new stadium built off that coaches success and suckering a billion dollars from the fans and taxpayers,
and then replaced him with the cheapest option he could find (a guy that thinks "ludicroust" and "pomp and stance" are words) and watched the team burn to the ground immediately all the while your owner compared this new coach to the Warriors hiring steve Kerr, it’s pretty hard for everyone to not flip the fuck out.
And this is only about 1/3 of the stupidity that has occurred in the last year. We made trading Gruden or firing Jimmy Johnson look like minor missteps. The shit that has happened this year is legendary in its stupidty. No NFL team will ever be able to repeat the shit we did this year in such a short time span.
It’s like we took two decades of the Cleveland Browns and compressed them into 12 months.
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This was the second interview he did when he got hired
If you’ve got 4 minutes, watch it. And his first press conference wasn’t much better. From day one, we knew we were completely fucked. And keep in mind, our owner had been FANTASIZING about promoting this guy to HC for at least 5 years
http://deadspin.com/new-49ers-coach-jim-tomsula-mumbles-and-huffs-his-way-t-1680004518
We have seriously never heard him out together a coherent sentence, much less thought, in the last year. There is no way he can get magically better talking to management. His postgame speeches to the players are just as baffling.
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The 49ers are cellar dwellers for the next decade..
We are useless!!!
From the Ho to the Cs to Blaine Freaking Gabbert, there is little to no hope..
It’s nice that some of you guys believe in your coach but Imo Jeff Fischer is your weak link and won’t be taking you guys anywhere near the promised land..
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This is like bizarro Niners Nation
Over there, if you’re remotely positive, you get killed. Over here, if you’re remotely negative, you get killed.
WE’RE NOT SO DIFFERENT YOU GUYS
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you have the negative nancy's here tho. and we have realists
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"Realists"
I knew I liked you guys for a reason! We had the negative nancy versus realist debate for a long time with offseason. Funny part is those of us predicting a 6 win season were called Pessimists but we referred to ourselves as realists.
The irony is now looking back on it, we were actually optimists.
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I agree except, once the game is over, I'LL BE COUNTING THE DAYS UNTIL TRAINING CAMP!:shades::cheers:
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Been hanging out at Ram Stalk?
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A true 49er Fan speaks!!:rolllaugh:
These 9er Fans Brought their comforter to the game!
One had their season pegged "
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I'd like to have a game myself with those two Whiner fans!A true 49er Fan speaks!!:rolllaugh:
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Yea, it seems that to be the lead editor for TST you have to hate the Rams. Ryan Van Bibber was saying the same type of shit before he went to SBNations main site to write for the NFL in general.
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49ers-Rams preview: Talking Jeff Fisher, QB position, defensive weaknesses, offseason needs
By David Fucillo @davidfucillo
The San Francisco 49ers host the St. Louis Rams to close out the 2015 season. The division rivals are both out of the playoff picture. The 49ers are playing for draft position, while the Rams might be playing for a .500 record.
We took a few minutes to chat with 3k from Turf Show Times about his Rams. Since this is the final week of the season, we focused on the future. The Rams have some really strong building blocks, with a strong defense, and Todd Gurley. Can they turn it around? What does the offseason hold in store for them? We got the scoop from 3k.
Niners Nation: Will Jeff Fisher ever actually get fired by the Rams? Is he just that good at the politics? The man is like a mediocre cockroach.
Turf Show Times: It's just really hard to say yes right now. If there was cause to fire him, it was there last year. That so many fans supported him after the 2014 season but have changed their minds in 2015 is odd, but those kinds of thresholds are arbitrary in any case. You're getting at what I think he's best at with the politics nod; I think he's just a master of the kind of stuff that doesn't really manifest itself on the football field.
It's why he's on the competition committee and why so many members of the media and other coaching staffs respect him so vocally in public. When Mike Silver, he of many years at SI and now at NFL.com, can still say with a straight face that Jeff Fisher is "a really good head coach" with a 169-155-1 record tells you he's mastered things beyond the record. It's that mastery that keeps him employed, obviously.
The stranger thing right now is that people are still mocking Jeff Fisher as being "an 8-8 coach" despite the fact that all three of his first three seasons were losing years for the Rams. Yes, if the Rams win on Sunday, they'll finally meet that 8-8 record we've all been waiting for (Note: That is not what we've all been waiting for). But that it would take a four-game winning streak to close out the season is as Jeff Fisher of a run to 8-8 as you can get.
NN: The Nick Foles trade really didn't work out for the Rams QB position. What do you expect the Rams to do given the short extension they gave Foles?
TST: I know this is a bit of an odd approach, but I don't think Nick Foles himself was what didn't work out. I think the system is the problem. When Case Keenum throws 23 passes for 103 yards in a win against the Seahawks and people are excited about the positive management of the offense...that's an indication of how little you want your QB to do.
Foles isn't built to operate in that kind of a system. In any case, the lack of a system fit shows that there's no reason the Rams have to be overly committed to Foles moving forward. Keenum's helping the Rams get to the end of the season and rookie QB Sean Mannion is laying in wait. Perhaps the Rams add another QB to the mix for 2016, but there just isn't a reason for the Rams to lock Foles into their future plans.
NN: Aside from Todd Gurley, is there anything specific about the Rams offense that has fans excited?
TST: Smoke? Mirrors? I think the best thing the offense got when they made the switch at QB Nick Foles to Case Keenum and changing offensive coordinators from Frank Cignetti, Jr., to Rob Boras was the level of competition. Getting the Detroit Lions and Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the playoffs out of possibility was perhaps more helpful than the switch itself. The Seahawks game was the real exhibition of what the Rams are supposed to do, though.
That there's not really much to get excited about on offense outside of Gurley is by design. The Rams are supposed to win on the back of their defense and just enough offense to put opposing offenses in bad field position. You could make an argument for Tavon Austin, but it has taken three years to get him up to sufficient productivity is part of the problem of Fisherball.
Add in the fact that his improved offensive output is coming from sweeps and other run options and not through the air is the reminder that the Rams aren't going to use a dynamic offense to attack opponents (and that the skill set difference between Nick Foles and Case Keenum, or anyone else, just isn't that key to the system either).
NN: Football Outsiders ranks the Rams defense No. 6 overall. What are the weaknesses in the unit that need to be addressed this offseason?
TST: Contracts. Honestly, the defense is well-built. The personnel hasn't been the issue. Coaching and consistency have been. There's absolutely no reason the Chicago Bears should be able to put up 37 points in St. Louis in 2015, but it happened. So no, it's not a problem of the roster. The real issue is the set of questions the Rams have to answer in the front office this offseason.
With three free agents on the defensive line between DE Eugene Sims, DE William Hayes and DT Nick Fairley (the youngest of the three at 27 and the least tenured in just his first season with the Rams), who gets a new contract to stick around? And should the Rams part ways with DE Chris Long who is due nearly $10m with a $2m bonus after what was arguably the worst season of his eight-year career?
At cornerback, both Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson are coming up on free agency. Can they keep both? With E.J. Gaines (who has been injured all year but perhaps played a level above both in 2014) and Lamarcus Joyner in tow, do they need to? And with all of that going on in front of them, what about FS Rodney McLeod and SS/LB Mark Barron, both of whom...yup.
That's a lot of decisions to have to make and moreover to expect to get right, but it'll shape the face of the defense moving forward...whether the Rams fix the mental and execution issues aside.
NN: What would you rank as the top three needs for the Rams heading into the offseason?
TST: Well...one would be the coaching problem, but that's not getting fixed. So how much does anything else really matter? I've argued that the Rams' personnel isn't the issue. So has Arizona Cardinals S Tyrann Mathieu...Part of it goes back to the Washington-St. Louis trade from the 2012 NFL Draft that Washington used to get Robert Griffin III.
From that trade, the Rams ultimately received DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, RB Isaiah Pead, G Rokevious Watkins, OLB Alec Ogletree, WR Stedman Bailey, RB Zac Stacy and OT Greg Robinson. Add that to the normally inherited picks of the last three years, and it's near impossible to understand how Jeff Fisher has taken the Rams from 7-8-1 in 2012 to 7-9 in 2013 to 6-10 in 2014 to whatever the Rams finish in 2015 unless you just chalk it all up to Fisherball.
If you do, as I do, then there aren't three needs. There's just the one at the top and everything else. So I'll go with this for the Rams three needs:
1.) A different approach strategically at the top, (not happening)2.) Luck. A lot of luck. (maybe happening)3.) A well stocked bar of various spirits and intoxicants to make the certain lack of #1 and the potential lack of #2 more acceptable. (definitely happening)
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Okay Dave....If Fish is a mediocre cockroach, what is Tomsula?
After you answer this, I’ll read the rest of your write-up……
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instead of a lot of luck as 3k put it
i would say a lack of bad luck. that been in the form of injuries mostly. hard for offenses to generate much when you lose both starting guards and your rt for part of the year which creates a ripple effect with so many moving around on the line. oh but aaron rodgers looked so great behind his line last week.
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Read the thread at Turf Show. A fan there said they hope the Rams kill us tomorrow.
"Yikes!" Am I right??
I mean, what an idiot! He doesn’t know that York and Baalke killed us a year ago.
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http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2016/1...preview?_ga=1.231773023.1173881270.1445869767
St. Louis Rams At San Francisco 49ers: Preview Q&A With Niners Nation
By 3k @3k
With one final game to see 2015 off, I linked up with David Fucillo of Niners Nation, the SB Nation community for San Francisco 49ers fans.
So with the offseason you guys had, perhaps this season's results weren't all that unpredictable. Or were they? Between Colin Kaepernick and Jim Tomsula and Blaine Gabbert...well you tell me. Was yall's season coming based on the offseason or has it been a product of the process throughout?
C, all of the above. I think plenty of us tried to sell ourselves on Jim Tomsula as a guy who could work out, but looking back, it's clear he was not the right guy for the job. He still might get a reprieve into the 2016 season, but that would seemingly be as much due to front office ego over Jim Harbaugh's departure as anything else. And that is obviously not a good thing.
Jim Tomsula is a guy that the York family likes, but in retrospect, the hiring seems more about finding someone they thought was better than he is, but also nice enough to make him easy to get along with compared to Harbaugh. He comes across as a nice guy, but he's just not a good head coach.
The offseason did impact things. You lose as many leaders as the 49ers did, and it's going to sting. Colin Kaepernick struggled to build on his past success, and I don't know that offensive coordinator Geep Chryst was ever really going to be the guy who would help get him straightened out.
The team was not happy with the offensive development last year, and Chryst was the quarterbacks coach for that team. I'm not quite sure what they hoped to accomplish with that. I did not expect to see Blaine Gabbert getting significant starting reps, but suddenly he is the early favorite to start Week 1 of next season.
Given what we've seen the last few months, I don't know many people who are optimistic about the direction of the franchise.
What HAS to happen moving forward? Is there a 0% chance that Jim Tomsula is the San Francisco 49ers head coach in 2016? What else is of the utmost importance?
I would say there is a heavy chance he actually returns in 2016. If the Rams blow out the 49ers on Sunday, that could be enough to tip the scales, but I think the game is close enough that Jed York decides the team was competitive enough to give Tomsula a second chance in 2016. York is likely meeting with the media early next week to wrap up the season.
The team lost a lot of talent this past offseason, so I would expect him to reference that, and wanting to give Tomsula a stable offseason to see how he can improve the team. A decision to fire Jim Tomsula would really just be admitting a bad decision a year ago, and I am skeptical York is prepared to admit that. Now, will Tomsula survive the 2016 season? I doubt it.
Who is Jed York? What is a Jed York? Why is a Jed York?
The 49ers are owned by his parents, Denise York and John York. Denise is the sister of former 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo. It was a complicated situation with Eddie, involving a will and a bag of cash. DeBartolo got in trouble when then governor of Louisiana Edwin Edwards solicited a $400,000 bribe from DeBartolo to get a riverboat gambling license.
Eddie rolled on Edwards and was suspended by the NFL. Later, he turned over ownership due in part to the death of their father, Edward DeBartolo, Sr. Denise got the 49ers, and Eddie got the real estate holdings that made the family so rich in the first place.
Denise's husband John was the face of the organization, but as things went south with Steve Mariucci, fans turned on him. Jed spent a year after college working as a financial analyst, before joining the 49ers organization in a variety of roles.
He helped get Levi's Stadium built, and there is some thought that getting the stadium financed and built led to him thinking he could do anything. We'll never get the full details of all this, so we're left just wondering what the hell is going on.
You guys are on the hook for about $100m over the next five years with QB Colin Kaepernick. How does this play out?
It's actually very team friendly. None of his future salaries are fully guaranteed. His 2016 base salary is guaranteed for injury, but does not become fully guaranteed until April 1, 2016. If the 49ers trade or cut him before April 1, he would save $8.5 million against the salary cap. If they designate him a post-June 1 cut, they would save $13.4 million in cap space.
Simply put, he's not coming back under his current contract. The 49ers have the cap space to bring him back with a $15.89 million cap hit, but they seem set on moving on from Kap. They'll try and trade him, but that might require a restructuring of his deal. Kap might just force the team to cut him rather than renegotiate the deal. Either way, I don't see him on the 49ers in 2016.
So last year's 8-8 record certainly looks like the beginning of the downturn more than an aberration now. How do you guys turn it around? What gets you guys back into the NFC West mix against
the Cardinals and Seahawks...and maybe a fourth mystery team in 2016?
You mean...the LA Rams?!?!?! Had to get an LA dig in there somewhere. I don't see this team turning it around without a drastic change of the coaching staff. Anything short of that just seems like shuffling around deckchairs on the Titanic.
I think Eric Mangini and the defensive coaching staff deserve credit for their work, but it's hard to get too excited about much of the offensive coaching staff. I suppose getting healthy, getting some impact players in the draft, and using their sizable chunk of cap space could help, but the coaching staff just strikes me as such a problem. Without a change there, I don't see a turnaround happening in 2016.
Thanks to Fooch for the time.
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Our FO and CS are as bright as Johnny Manziel after a two day bender!
We are f***** ( or should I say York’d) if we don’t see massive changes this off-season..
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Yes and that's why you'll probably understand the strong dislike for our FO
Getting rid of the only winning coach the team has had since Mariucci. Getting rid of the guy who brought the team to 3 straight NFC Championships and 1 Super Bowl, who went 13-3 in his first year after being 6-10 the previous year (which would be the equivalent of Jim taking over the Rams this year and bringing them to 13-3 after your 6-10 year last year).
I can understand you Rams fans have even more frustration though over the years after the early 2000s, with Fisher leading the team to below .500 years and perhaps to .500 this year. I think the Rams have a lot of talent to build on though and obviously have done well since the switch at OC this year . Unless we get a new coaching staff next year though even with Fisher the Rams staff is definitely a better group.
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Only thing we need to know about the whiners is they suck!
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Take a ticket..
Most of us are hoping you murder us as well, and when I say most I mean all..
49ers-Rams preview: Talking Jeff Fisher, QB position, defensive weaknesses, offseason needs
By David Fucillo @davidfucillo
The San Francisco 49ers host the St. Louis Rams to close out the 2015 season. The division rivals are both out of the playoff picture. The 49ers are playing for draft position, while the Rams might be playing for a .500 record.
We took a few minutes to chat with 3k from Turf Show Times about his Rams. Since this is the final week of the season, we focused on the future. The Rams have some really strong building blocks, with a strong defense, and Todd Gurley. Can they turn it around? What does the offseason hold in store for them? We got the scoop from 3k.
Niners Nation: Will Jeff Fisher ever actually get fired by the Rams? Is he just that good at the politics? The man is like a mediocre cockroach.
Turf Show Times: It's just really hard to say yes right now. If there was cause to fire him, it was there last year. That so many fans supported him after the 2014 season but have changed their minds in 2015 is odd, but those kinds of thresholds are arbitrary in any case. You're getting at what I think he's best at with the politics nod; I think he's just a master of the kind of stuff that doesn't really manifest itself on the football field.
It's why he's on the competition committee and why so many members of the media and other coaching staffs respect him so vocally in public. When Mike Silver, he of many years at SI and now at NFL.com, can still say with a straight face that Jeff Fisher is "a really good head coach" with a 169-155-1 record tells you he's mastered things beyond the record. It's that mastery that keeps him employed, obviously.
The stranger thing right now is that people are still mocking Jeff Fisher as being "an 8-8 coach" despite the fact that all three of his first three seasons were losing years for the Rams. Yes, if the Rams win on Sunday, they'll finally meet that 8-8 record we've all been waiting for (Note: That is not what we've all been waiting for). But that it would take a four-game winning streak to close out the season is as Jeff Fisher of a run to 8-8 as you can get.
NN: The Nick Foles trade really didn't work out for the Rams QB position. What do you expect the Rams to do given the short extension they gave Foles?
TST: I know this is a bit of an odd approach, but I don't think Nick Foles himself was what didn't work out. I think the system is the problem. When Case Keenum throws 23 passes for 103 yards in a win against the Seahawks and people are excited about the positive management of the offense...that's an indication of how little you want your QB to do.
Foles isn't built to operate in that kind of a system. In any case, the lack of a system fit shows that there's no reason the Rams have to be overly committed to Foles moving forward. Keenum's helping the Rams get to the end of the season and rookie QB Sean Mannion is laying in wait. Perhaps the Rams add another QB to the mix for 2016, but there just isn't a reason for the Rams to lock Foles into their future plans.
NN: Aside from Todd Gurley, is there anything specific about the Rams offense that has fans excited?
TST: Smoke? Mirrors? I think the best thing the offense got when they made the switch at QB Nick Foles to Case Keenum and changing offensive coordinators from Frank Cignetti, Jr., to Rob Boras was the level of competition. Getting the Detroit Lions and Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the playoffs out of possibility was perhaps more helpful than the switch itself. The Seahawks game was the real exhibition of what the Rams are supposed to do, though.
That there's not really much to get excited about on offense outside of Gurley is by design. The Rams are supposed to win on the back of their defense and just enough offense to put opposing offenses in bad field position. You could make an argument for Tavon Austin, but it has taken three years to get him up to sufficient productivity is part of the problem of Fisherball.
Add in the fact that his improved offensive output is coming from sweeps and other run options and not through the air is the reminder that the Rams aren't going to use a dynamic offense to attack opponents (and that the skill set difference between Nick Foles and Case Keenum, or anyone else, just isn't that key to the system either).
NN: Football Outsiders ranks the Rams defense No. 6 overall. What are the weaknesses in the unit that need to be addressed this offseason?
TST: Contracts. Honestly, the defense is well-built. The personnel hasn't been the issue. Coaching and consistency have been. There's absolutely no reason the Chicago Bears should be able to put up 37 points in St. Louis in 2015, but it happened. So no, it's not a problem of the roster. The real issue is the set of questions the Rams have to answer in the front office this offseason.
With three free agents on the defensive line between DE Eugene Sims, DE William Hayes and DT Nick Fairley (the youngest of the three at 27 and the least tenured in just his first season with the Rams), who gets a new contract to stick around? And should the Rams part ways with DE Chris Long who is due nearly $10m with a $2m bonus after what was arguably the worst season of his eight-year career?
At cornerback, both Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson are coming up on free agency. Can they keep both? With E.J. Gaines (who has been injured all year but perhaps played a level above both in 2014) and Lamarcus Joyner in tow, do they need to? And with all of that going on in front of them, what about FS Rodney McLeod and SS/LB Mark Barron, both of whom...yup.
That's a lot of decisions to have to make and moreover to expect to get right, but it'll shape the face of the defense moving forward...whether the Rams fix the mental and execution issues aside.
NN: What would you rank as the top three needs for the Rams heading into the offseason?
TST: Well...one would be the coaching problem, but that's not getting fixed. So how much does anything else really matter? I've argued that the Rams' personnel isn't the issue. So has Arizona Cardinals S Tyrann Mathieu...Part of it goes back to the Washington-St. Louis trade from the 2012 NFL Draft that Washington used to get Robert Griffin III.
From that trade, the Rams ultimately received DT Michael Brockers, CB Janoris Jenkins, RB Isaiah Pead, G Rokevious Watkins, OLB Alec Ogletree, WR Stedman Bailey, RB Zac Stacy and OT Greg Robinson. Add that to the normally inherited picks of the last three years, and it's near impossible to understand how Jeff Fisher has taken the Rams from 7-8-1 in 2012 to 7-9 in 2013 to 6-10 in 2014 to whatever the Rams finish in 2015 unless you just chalk it all up to Fisherball.
If you do, as I do, then there aren't three needs. There's just the one at the top and everything else. So I'll go with this for the Rams three needs:
1.) A different approach strategically at the top, (not happening)2.) Luck. A lot of luck. (maybe happening)3.) A well stocked bar of various spirits and intoxicants to make the certain lack of #1 and the potential lack of #2 more acceptable. (definitely happening)
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Okay Dave....If Fish is a mediocre cockroach, what is Tomsula?
After you answer this, I’ll read the rest of your write-up……
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instead of a lot of luck as 3k put it
i would say a lack of bad luck. that been in the form of injuries mostly. hard for offenses to generate much when you lose both starting guards and your rt for part of the year which creates a ripple effect with so many moving around on the line. oh but aaron rodgers looked so great behind his line last week.
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Read the thread at Turf Show. A fan there said they hope the Rams kill us tomorrow.
"Yikes!" Am I right??
I mean, what an idiot! He doesn’t know that York and Baalke killed us a year ago.
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http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2016/1...preview?_ga=1.231773023.1173881270.1445869767
St. Louis Rams At San Francisco 49ers: Preview Q&A With Niners Nation
By 3k @3k
With one final game to see 2015 off, I linked up with David Fucillo of Niners Nation, the SB Nation community for San Francisco 49ers fans.
So with the offseason you guys had, perhaps this season's results weren't all that unpredictable. Or were they? Between Colin Kaepernick and Jim Tomsula and Blaine Gabbert...well you tell me. Was yall's season coming based on the offseason or has it been a product of the process throughout?
C, all of the above. I think plenty of us tried to sell ourselves on Jim Tomsula as a guy who could work out, but looking back, it's clear he was not the right guy for the job. He still might get a reprieve into the 2016 season, but that would seemingly be as much due to front office ego over Jim Harbaugh's departure as anything else. And that is obviously not a good thing.
Jim Tomsula is a guy that the York family likes, but in retrospect, the hiring seems more about finding someone they thought was better than he is, but also nice enough to make him easy to get along with compared to Harbaugh. He comes across as a nice guy, but he's just not a good head coach.
The offseason did impact things. You lose as many leaders as the 49ers did, and it's going to sting. Colin Kaepernick struggled to build on his past success, and I don't know that offensive coordinator Geep Chryst was ever really going to be the guy who would help get him straightened out.
The team was not happy with the offensive development last year, and Chryst was the quarterbacks coach for that team. I'm not quite sure what they hoped to accomplish with that. I did not expect to see Blaine Gabbert getting significant starting reps, but suddenly he is the early favorite to start Week 1 of next season.
Given what we've seen the last few months, I don't know many people who are optimistic about the direction of the franchise.
What HAS to happen moving forward? Is there a 0% chance that Jim Tomsula is the San Francisco 49ers head coach in 2016? What else is of the utmost importance?
I would say there is a heavy chance he actually returns in 2016. If the Rams blow out the 49ers on Sunday, that could be enough to tip the scales, but I think the game is close enough that Jed York decides the team was competitive enough to give Tomsula a second chance in 2016. York is likely meeting with the media early next week to wrap up the season.
The team lost a lot of talent this past offseason, so I would expect him to reference that, and wanting to give Tomsula a stable offseason to see how he can improve the team. A decision to fire Jim Tomsula would really just be admitting a bad decision a year ago, and I am skeptical York is prepared to admit that. Now, will Tomsula survive the 2016 season? I doubt it.
Who is Jed York? What is a Jed York? Why is a Jed York?
The 49ers are owned by his parents, Denise York and John York. Denise is the sister of former 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo. It was a complicated situation with Eddie, involving a will and a bag of cash. DeBartolo got in trouble when then governor of Louisiana Edwin Edwards solicited a $400,000 bribe from DeBartolo to get a riverboat gambling license.
Eddie rolled on Edwards and was suspended by the NFL. Later, he turned over ownership due in part to the death of their father, Edward DeBartolo, Sr. Denise got the 49ers, and Eddie got the real estate holdings that made the family so rich in the first place.
Denise's husband John was the face of the organization, but as things went south with Steve Mariucci, fans turned on him. Jed spent a year after college working as a financial analyst, before joining the 49ers organization in a variety of roles.
He helped get Levi's Stadium built, and there is some thought that getting the stadium financed and built led to him thinking he could do anything. We'll never get the full details of all this, so we're left just wondering what the hell is going on.
You guys are on the hook for about $100m over the next five years with QB Colin Kaepernick. How does this play out?
It's actually very team friendly. None of his future salaries are fully guaranteed. His 2016 base salary is guaranteed for injury, but does not become fully guaranteed until April 1, 2016. If the 49ers trade or cut him before April 1, he would save $8.5 million against the salary cap. If they designate him a post-June 1 cut, they would save $13.4 million in cap space.
Simply put, he's not coming back under his current contract. The 49ers have the cap space to bring him back with a $15.89 million cap hit, but they seem set on moving on from Kap. They'll try and trade him, but that might require a restructuring of his deal. Kap might just force the team to cut him rather than renegotiate the deal. Either way, I don't see him on the 49ers in 2016.
So last year's 8-8 record certainly looks like the beginning of the downturn more than an aberration now. How do you guys turn it around? What gets you guys back into the NFC West mix against
the Cardinals and Seahawks...and maybe a fourth mystery team in 2016?
You mean...the LA Rams?!?!?! Had to get an LA dig in there somewhere. I don't see this team turning it around without a drastic change of the coaching staff. Anything short of that just seems like shuffling around deckchairs on the Titanic.
I think Eric Mangini and the defensive coaching staff deserve credit for their work, but it's hard to get too excited about much of the offensive coaching staff. I suppose getting healthy, getting some impact players in the draft, and using their sizable chunk of cap space could help, but the coaching staff just strikes me as such a problem. Without a change there, I don't see a turnaround happening in 2016.
Thanks to Fooch for the time.
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Our FO and CS are as bright as Johnny Manziel after a two day bender!
We are f***** ( or should I say York’d) if we don’t see massive changes this off-season..
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Yes and that's why you'll probably understand the strong dislike for our FO
Getting rid of the only winning coach the team has had since Mariucci. Getting rid of the guy who brought the team to 3 straight NFC Championships and 1 Super Bowl, who went 13-3 in his first year after being 6-10 the previous year (which would be the equivalent of Jim taking over the Rams this year and bringing them to 13-3 after your 6-10 year last year).
I can understand you Rams fans have even more frustration though over the years after the early 2000s, with Fisher leading the team to below .500 years and perhaps to .500 this year. I think the Rams have a lot of talent to build on though and obviously have done well since the switch at OC this year . Unless we get a new coaching staff next year though even with Fisher the Rams staff is definitely a better group.
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Only thing we need to know about the whiners is they suck!
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Take a ticket..
Most of us are hoping you murder us as well, and when I say most I mean all..
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Man, Fisher and Williams have the rep of being dirty to fans everywhere. As long as the refs don't buy into it that can be a good thing.
That's because too many "fans" attended Lemming University...Most of those crowing about it have no idea......They wouldn't know a hard hit from a dirty hit if their collective lives depended on it...Irritated me for a while, now I couldn't possibly care less, I care nothing at all...