Terry Bradshaw on Peyton Manning: If you like losing Super Bowls, he’s your guy

[RamsFan14]

How is Bradshaw acting like it isn't a team game?

I just don't like what he had to say, his quote is terrible. "If you want to lose Super Bowls, he's your guy" just comes off the wrong way. He didn't lose the Broncos the Super Bowl, the Broncos got outplayed badly by a great Seahawks team. To say what he said is just low.

 

[moklerman]

No, he doesn't. Mark Sanchez also had a better QB Rating in the post-season than the regular season. Doesn't give him the right to talk.

Bradshaw isn't in Manning's league.

If that were the end of the story I might agree. But in addition to that, he's got those 4 rings. He's got the right to talk, plain and simple.

 

[Loyal]

It's a shame that Bradshaw said what he did, because all that he has to do is flash his Super Bowl rings, they should do the talking....Peyton Manning is in Marino's, Jim Kelley's class..Great QB's that never won it all. Which indirectly gives proof that you don't have to have a great QB to win a Super Bowl...Along with Dilfer, Flacco, Wilson,Hofstettler, and others that prove it......Sammy, you listening?

 

[jrry32]

If that were the end of the story I might agree. But in addition to that, he's got those 4 rings. He's got the right to talk, plain and simple.

That's the end of the story. Bradshaw isn't in Peyton's league. He can talk all he wants. His words don't mean much. It's like Lawrence McCutcheon talking trash about Eric Dickerson.

 

[jrry32]

It's a shame that Bradshaw said what he did, because all that he has to do is flash his Super Bowl rings, they should do the talking....Peyton Manning is in Marino's, Jim Kelley's class..Great QB's that never won it all. Which indirectly gives proof that you don't have to have a great QB to win a Super Bowl...Along with Dilfer, Flacco, Wilson,Hofstettler, and others that prove it......Sammy, you listening?

Peyton has a ring.

 

[moklerman]

That's the end of the story. Bradshaw isn't in Peyton's league. He can talk all he wants. His words don't mean much. It's like Lawrence McCutcheon talking trash about Eric Dickerson.

HOF QB's with 4 rings get to talk. Not sure why you'd think that's debatable. If it was Jim Kelly talking trash...? Okay, he doesn't get to spout off even as good as he was. But Bradshaw was the king of the '70's. He outdueled Staubach, Tarkenton, Stabler...dude's earned the right to say what he thinks.

Ask any QB who's ever been in the NFL if they'd rather have gaudy numbers or Super Bowl rings. Manning's numbers are impressive but at the end of the day, they don't mean as much as those 4 rings.

Something else that hasn't been mentioned thus far is Manning plays in the flag football era. All of his numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt or at least an understanding of the stark difference between the game of the '70's and now.

 

[Loyal]

Peyton has a ring.

You are right...lol...People keep talking about him being a playoff choker, that the one win is obscured!

 

[RamsFan14]

HOF QB's with 4 rings get to talk. Not sure why you'd think that's debatable. If it was Jim Kelly talking trash...? Okay, he doesn't get to spout off even as good as he was. But Bradshaw was the king of the '70's. He outdueled Staubach, Tarkenton, Stabler...dude's earned the right to say what he thinks.

Ask any QB who's ever been in the NFL if they'd rather have gaudy numbers or Super Bowl rings. Manning's numbers are impressive but at the end of the day, they don't mean as much as those 4 rings.

Something else that hasn't been mentioned thus far is Manning plays in the flag football era. All of his numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt or at least an understanding of the stark difference between the game of the '70's and now.

I definitely believe Peyton Manning has done far more to contribute to his respective teams then Bradshaw ever did with the Steelers. Bradshaw can talk, he's earned it with 4 rings WITH that AMAZING defense! It's a team game and Bradshaw took a pretty dirty shot at Peyton that wasn't deserved. To say Manning struggles with pressure is one thing, but to say if you want to lose a Super Bowl then Manning is the guy to have?! Hell no, I don't support that.

 

[jrry32]

HOF QB's with 4 rings get to talk. Not sure why you'd think that's debatable.

It's not debatable. Guy isn't in Manning's league. He has no business talking trash.

If it was Jim Kelly talking trash...? Okay, he doesn't get to spout off even as good as he was. But Bradshaw was the king of the '70's. He outdueled Staubach, Tarkenton, Stabler...dude's earned the right to say what he thinks.

Bradshaw played poorly in every game he played against Oakland in the playoffs. He played poorly against Minnesota. Bradshaw was no king of the 70s. He was the QB of a stacked team.

Ask any QB who's ever been in the NFL if they'd rather have gaudy numbers or Super Bowl rings. Manning's numbers are impressive but at the end of the day, they don't mean as much as those 4 rings.

And yet all of that means jack.

How many rings would Peyton Manning have if he had the Steel Curtain behind him?

At the end of the day, Super Bowl rings are a team accomplishment. They mean little when comparing individual players. Individually, Peyton Manning is a far better player than Bradshaw ever was. And that is why Bradshaw should...

Something else that hasn't been mentioned thus far is Manning plays in the flag football era. All of his numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt or at least an understanding of the stark difference between the game of the '70's and now.

Bradshaw played before the salary cap era. He had a team stacked with Hall of Fame players.

Numbers are definitely "inflated" in today's NFL. But that's irrelevant. Because you can compare Manning to his peers and Bradshaw to his peers. And you recognize when putting them in that context that Bradshaw doesn't even begin to stack up with Manning. He wasn't the best or second best QB of his own generation(Tarkenton and Staubach). It might even be questionable if he was a top 5 QB of his own generation(Fouts, Ken Anderson, Stabler, Griese).

 

[moklerman]

It's not debatable. Guy isn't in Manning's league. He has no business talking trash.

If a league MVP, 2-time Super Bowl MVP, HOF QB doesn't have any business talking trash then no one's allowed to talk.

Bradshaw played poorly in every game he played against Oakland in the playoffs. He played poorly against Minnesota. Bradshaw was no king of the 70s. He was the QB of a stacked team.

Guy came up big more often than not and has thrown many of the most historic passes in league history. He was not on a pass happy team but he was a very good QB. Had his elbow not given out on him, he'd have enjoyed some of the rules of the '80's that started protecting offensive players. I think if you just look at the stats you also miss a lot of what was going on in those Raiders/Steelers games. His numbers may not have been pretty but those were wars and the Raiders were as dirty as they came. Cheap shots, late hits, head shots, clotheslines, you name it. Today's QB's would have a very tough time IMO.

How many rings would Peyton Manning have if he had the Steel Curtain behind him?

How many passing titles and MVP's would he have if he was on a run-first, defensive team like Bradshaw?

Numbers are definitely "inflated" in today's NFL. But that's irrelevant. Because you can compare Manning to his peers and Bradshaw to his peers. And you recognize when putting them in that context that Bradshaw doesn't even begin to stack up with Manning. He wasn't the best or second best QB of his own generation(Tarkenton and Staubach). It might even be questionable if he was a top 5 QB of his own generation(Fouts, Ken Anderson, Stabler, Griese).

Bradshaw led the league in TD's twice. Won the league MVP. Was top 8 in passer rating 6 times. He compared very well to other QB's of the 70's. As does Manning now but Rodgers, Brady, Brees are all right there with him.

Here's an interesting fact: Peyton Manning is one of only two QB's to ever post a perfect rating in a playoff game. Wanna guess who the other one is?

 

[RustyRay]

Terry seems to think that he had a huge hand in the Steelers greatness in the 70's. He had some big games and he was a good QB.. But when he says stuff like this it reeks of him and his ego being much better then he actually was as a player.

The more time that goes by the better Terry used to be.

 

[WvuIN02]

All this "better than" stuff is annoying to read in this thread. The difference in players and the game in the 2000's and the 1970's isn't even comparable. Guys hung out in bars and smoked cigarettes before playing in that era, so who knows how they would be in the all year round training NFL of today. Bradshaw probably should just be humble, but he made some big plays in big games and has the four rings. He had one hell of an arm that's for sure, but so doesManning.

That all said, the great thing about this great country of ours is he can say whatever the hell he wants and is entitled to his opinion.

 

[Rambition]

If that were the end of the story I might agree. But in addition to that, he's got those 4 rings. He's got the right to talk, plain and simple.

he can say what he wants, rings or not. by the same token, it's only fair that when he says a punk thing like he did about peyton, that he is called on it.

 

[moklerman]

he can say what he wants, rings or not. by the same token, it's only fair that when he says a punk thing like he did about peyton, that he is called on it.

Why do you feel it's a punk thing, though? As great as Manning has been during the regular season, don't you feel that overall, he's underacheived during the post season? Specifically the Super Bowl? Or is it that you think Bradshaw doesn't have a point? A right? That he does have a point but chose his words poorly?

If one looks only at Super Bowl performances, Manning's passer rating drops another 10 points off his post season average to 80.2. That's 17 points lower than his regular season numbers.
By comparison, Bradshaw's rating in Super Bowls was 112.7. Just about 30 points higher than his playoff average and 42 points higher than his regular season average.

Which is what this all boils down to. A QB either playing his best in the biggest game or not playing his best. Manning hasn't played his best or even resembled himself in his 3 Super Bowl appearances.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Well Peyton is a much better qb than Bradshaw so like..

 

[PrometheusFaulk]

HOF QB's with 4 rings get to talk. Not sure why you'd think that's debatable. If it was Jim Kelly talking trash...? Okay, he doesn't get to spout off even as good as he was. But Bradshaw was the king of the '70's. He outdueled Staubach, Tarkenton, Stabler...dude's earned the right to say what he thinks.

Ask any QB who's ever been in the NFL if they'd rather have gaudy numbers or Super Bowl rings. Manning's numbers are impressive but at the end of the day, they don't mean as much as those 4 rings.

Something else that hasn't been mentioned thus far is Manning plays in the flag football era. All of his numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt or at least an understanding of the stark difference between the game of the '70's and now.

"Oudueled?" Again, only twice did opposing offenses score more than 17 points against the Steelers in any playoff game during all 4 of their Super Bowl runs.

I don't care what era you are in, that's not a duel. That's shooting an unarmed man.

 

[moklerman]

Well Peyton is a much better qb than Bradshaw so like..

Bradshaw's a much better champion than Peyton though...

 

[NJRamsFan]

Bradshaw's a much better champion than Peyton though...

Eh, I always take Super Bowl victories with a grain of salt because football is the ultimate team game. If someone misses an assignment it becomes nearly impossible to succeed. Dan Marino never won a super bowl but I don't think Bradshaw Eli manning flacco or these other guys are better because they did.

If we had a re draft today I'm taking Peyton over Bradshaw 10 out of 10 times

 

[moklerman]

"Oudueled?" Again, only twice did opposing offenses score more than 17 points against the Steelers in any playoff game during all 4 of their Super Bowl runs.

I don't care what era you are in, that's not a duel. That's shooting an unarmed man.

It was the same defense during other playoffs though, wasn't it? They were a great defense but they gave up 17+ many times in the post season. And the two times you mention were in the Super Bowl itself. So, Bradshaw played his best in the Super Bowl when the defense wasn't as good as it had been. Twice against Dallas and they even gave up 19(20 if Corral could kick a friggin' XP) to the M.A.S.H. Rams.

 

[moklerman]

Eh, I always take Super Bowl victories with a grain of salt because football is the ultimate team game. If someone misses an assignment it becomes nearly impossible to succeed. Dan Marino never won a super bowl but I don't think Bradshaw Eli manning flacco or these other guys are better because they did.

If we had a re draft today I'm taking Peyton over Bradshaw 10 out of 10 times

I'm pretty sure you'd take any top player of today over any top player from 4 decades ago. Seems like a moot point.

But, to further the hypothetical would you also build a pass-first team that Peyton throws the ball 600 times a season? Because I don't think you can say he'd be the same player if he was asked to do what, say, Russel Wilson/Colin Kaepernick are doing in the passing game.