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Shell shocked Rams QB with decimated O line, WRs and new OC

Discussion in 'RAMS - NFL TALK' started by Anonymous, Nov 21, 2011.

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    Re: Shell shocked Rams QB with decimated O line, WRs and new

    Or a journeyman, or a latter round QB in the draft. Thank GOD they didn't go the latter round pick route. You end up with Clausen Pickle or Colt McCoy. And Colt McCoy, as admirable as he is, is so not the prototypical QB prospect that Devaney had in mind. And hey. I wanted Suh too. I made a kickass signature of him (animated) and I was sporting it up until it was apparent the Rams were going to pick Bradford. So I got behind Bradford. And I'll stay behind Bradford. Until it becomes apparent that there are no more "reasons" for him to be under-performing. Then I'll critique him like anyone else who deserves it.

    Within the guidelines of the rules, of course. :hehe:
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    7-3. Feel the traction.
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    Re: Shell shocked Rams QB with decimated O line, WRs and new

    Does Detroit have an offense? I didn't bother to check. I was just wondering how they win games with just a defensive tackle. Whatever that formula is, we should copy it.
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    Re: Shell shocked Rams QB with decimated O line, WRs and new

    In your scenario and the real-life one, the Rams don't have an elite, game-changing wide receiver like Calvin Johnson. In your scenario, they don't even have a young franchise quarterback like Stafford. In your scenario, we have Steven Jackson as our only elite offensive option; as much as I like Amendola, he's still just a slot receiver, albeit a damn good one. In your scenario, we have Long, Laurinaitis and Suh on defense; you wouldn't have drafted Quinn, and you've said as much numerous times. So, in that scenario, we still have just three great young players on defense who haven't had season-ending injuries.

    Have we changed anything? Of course. Is it for the better? Nobody knows. We don't know if it would be better or worse or if it stays the same. Why even bother to think about it? We could have had Haloti Ngata, Elvis Dumervil, Darrelle Revis, Troy Polamalu, and Nick Collins on our defense, but we don't. So why think about things like that if it's just going to bum you out?
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    You've bounced offtrack. At issue is the drafting of a QB #1 overall that you cannot protect. That was true of the previous QB that was widely blamed and scapegoated. Years pass but the Rams FO is in the same position. The signs are all there if you care to look. Sad thing is SB is getting there far earlier in his career. He's regressing and this team can't afford it. Let me repeat.....I don't fault SB.

    As for Suh....what protection does he need? He doesn't. He needs the others on the line to provide pressure. He would have that here too. Robbins gave a good performance last game in which thus far has been an off performance compared to last year for him. Robbins isn't a long term answer. Suh would likely be the long term anchor. And you're wrong that I said I'd never have drafted Quinn. All I ever said was there are questions, reasonable questions regarding the pick. Those questions are still in play considering his not being active or not being used enough....only Spags and Flajole can answer that. He has shown excellent speed and finishes a tackle better than most of our vets. At 1-7 why isn't he playing more?
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    But we did attempt to completely rebuild our OL. Thats what Devaney has had to start from scratch with ever since he got here. Thats why we gave the big bucks to all the players on the OL. Its been a huge disappointment. Whos fault is it? Devaneys? Spags? Loneys? I don't know. I know some people didnt like the Smith pick because he was raw, but other than that has anyone been upset with the players we have signed? I havent, and it sucks to see them underachieving now.
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    That's on the FO. Certainly Devaney. He can't even draft serviceable.....it's like years before with all the high D line draft picks....but at least they made the field....our O line after Pace has been a litany of excuses with personnel ad a lot of money and high picks.
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    But the OL still played well last year, and that was with essentially 2 rookies at OT. I know it was a dink and dunk offense but they were decent Jason Brown was considered a good signing when we picked him up. So was Dahl. Bell? I dont recall the reaction to that. Goldberg has proved to be a solid pickup. I still believe Saffold will be a fine OT. Greco? He didnt workout. Smith isnt looking too good right now. What could Devaney have done differently? We go from one year when it looked like our OL finally turned the corner because the same 5 guys played together most of the season and it would only improve because we just needed that upgrade at RG. That didnt happen. I dont understand how all that blame can be solely put on Devaney. One thing I am very critical of is not getting a new OL coach that had familiarity with McDs system.
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    I didn't think the O line played well last year. I watched SB running for his life frequently. I also saw the dink and dunk offense in part because SB wasn't getting a decent pocket much of the time. Brown, Bell and Smith don't ook like much now. Goldberg is always the guy they are looking to replace. What a bizarre career. Saffold looks good so far but damn what a way to be lost. Dahl, I'm not sure....I hope he's a keeper. Yeah the McD signing sure seems to have wrought repercussions.
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    Saffold was definitely playing better last year than this year before the injury. And Brown was having a great year too
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    Well we can really look back now and appreciate the job Shurmur did protecting the OL and Sam.
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    Very true.
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    Re: Shell shocked Rams QB with decimated O line, WRs and new

    And you've missed my point. Hindsight is little more than an especially cruel way to torment one's self. Why would you focus on what could have been instead of what we should do to fix the problem? At least the latter option doesn't focus entirely on subjective "what if?" scenarios that will never happen.

    You and I don't know what the Rams would be like if they had drafted Suh. Their draft strategy for 2010 and 2011 would have likely changed. There are way too many variables to accurately predict what the record or even the look of the team would be like if we had Suh instead of Bradford.

    I'm not discounting the fact that we desperately need help along the offensive front or at the defensive tackle position. I'm not discounting what message you're trying to send. I'm simply saying that we drafted Bradford, not Suh. The least we can do as fans is think about what can help the team as it is.
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    Man, if only Eric Crouch wanted to be a receiver. Think of the possibilities!

    I agree with Mem though. All these "what if" scenarios have been played over and over and over. It's the very definition of counter-productivity. The line was good enough to keep Bradford upright and productive in 2010. In 2011, we even added to that with Dahl. The PROBLEM isn't the draft strategy. The PROBLEM is the offensive coordinator's lack of pragmatism, and the injuries that have compounded his one real weakness.
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    Man I really wish some other team drafted Suh. B/c I really like the guy and the Lions, and I like to watch them and see them do well. But then I come on any given Rams board and see some guy still butthurt about no selecting him. Pisses me off.
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    Agree.
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    Right on, X. I was afraid of the "long ball" orientation of McDanies when he was signed. I didn't see any reason not to just go get another west coast offense guy and plug him in - no fuss no muss. Instead, what we have is a lot of promising careers damaged or in jeopardy. It's a shame what's happening to this team

    This game is hard enough on the players' bodies without piling on unrealistic expectations about how long blocks can be held. It is absolutely ridiculous to start looking to throw the long ball, neglect the short throws that are there for the picking, and subject the linemen to unnecessary punishment. I think the GSOT formula is still possible, but if it is to work in this time of increasingly aggressive defenses, I believe it is necessary to start with a great receiving corps. Then the plays happen faster, and expose the line and QB to less punishment.

    As for the absolute slaughter that is going on in the defensive secondary, it would obviously be a lot less if the offense could cut the mustard.
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    And everyone complains about the gameplan and opening up in the spread, but, but.....in the first series we moved the football, which stalled on a dropped pass, and then in the second series, we scored a touchdown.

    The drives stalled because of lack of execution....dropped passes, bad passes, bad routes, bad calls, no separation, poor blocking, and not being able to run the ball on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd down.

    The blame is widespread as always, but it's easier to blame one or two guys. That's just the way it is.

    The offense is broken in so many ways, or we would at least luck into a few scores.....
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    Right. But why do you suppose that is? How did this team become such a cluster freak on offense in as little as a year. This is how I see it. Steven Jackson was asked about the game plan (naturally) because he wasn't a focal point in it. His response was, "we practiced it all week." Yeah? And? A week is enough to get 11 guys on the same page? I understand it was to combat a perceived weakness against Seattle, but still. A week isn't long enough to install a whole new set of plays. That's where McDaniels isn't pragmatic. If the whole offense is struggling week in and week out, then why try even MORE exotic and new crap? It just doesn't make sense. It's rather easy to point to one person if that one person is responsible for orchestrating what 11 guys are supposed to do.

    That's the way I see it anyway.
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    Not butthurt......simply posing a common sense question backed up by ample recent Rams history. Read it again then check this thread AGAIN and your emotions at the door:

    Why draft a QB #1 OVERALL if you can't protect him?